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Originally posted by DanZeke25
I dont know if I posted this or not, but here it is.

Remeber the first time Harry went to use the Felix Felicis? Before he drank it he said he would go to Slughorns office to try and get the memory. Then after he drank it he said he would go see Hargird. He said "Felix told him i was the right thing to do" and sure enough Slughorn was there. Now, Harry gave the rest of Felix to Hermine, ROn and the rest. Hermione said that She and Luna(I think) went to spy on Snape or follow him or something. Now assuming they both took some of the Felix Felicis, and it didnt wear off, then maybe Felix told them it was the right thing to do, to go and see if Flitwick was okay, since Snape is really good. Hermione is really smart, and she knew she had to follow Snape, how could she let something so little distract her from following Snape? I think the Felix Felicis told her it was the right thing to do.

So what do you think?

That kind of confused me, but I think I know what you're trying to say, and it makes sense.

Are you saying that Felix told Hermione to go see if Flitwick was okay, so that she wouldn't go spy on Snape, because, if she did go and spy on Snape, she might have messed up Dumbledore's plan with Snape?

If that's what you mean, it's a very good point. ✅

Originally posted by hotsauce6548
That kind of confused me, but I think I know what you're trying to say, and it makes sense.

Are you saying that Felix told Hermione to go see if Flitwick was okay, so that she wouldn't go spy on Snape, because, if she did go and spy on Snape, she might have messed up Dumbledore's plan with Snape?

If that's what you mean, it's a very good point. ✅

Thats exactly what i mean.

Originally posted by DanZeke25
Thats exactly what i mean.

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Wow, this page has just added a whole load of interesting thoughts to what we have so far, excellent job guys clapping

Originally posted by Syren
Wow, this page has just added a whole load of interesting thoughts to what we have so far, excellent job guys clapping

Originally posted by The Stroke
Well im new aswell to the page but listan to this. As you know in the first book the 3 stages of making the philosperous stone goes from BLACK to WHITE to RED. This is just a theory of no relevence to the story but just a thing of Jk's but in the 5th book sirius BLACK dies and then next ALBUS dumbledore dies and if you dont know albus is the colour WHITE. So im guessing in the 7th book someone having to do with red in thier name will die that makes me think hagrid will die. RUBUES hagrid.....red....ruby...well just thort it up but could a good theory no??? also when you say that dumbledore intended for snape to kill him i believe this fully as they both know occlmency so yer dumbly told him to kill him. HARRYS NOT A HORCRUX

Does it say the stone goes from black to white to red?

I don't remember that. 😬

Anyway, if it does, I think it would just be a coincidence, even though it is an interesting theory.

Originally posted by hotsauce6548
Does it say the stone goes from black to white to red?

I don't remember that. 😬

Anyway, if it does, I think it would just be a coincidence, even though it is an interesting theory.

Originally posted by The Stroke
too much of as coincidence i think and you know J.K has her little things but eh..i could be wrong. Also the locket that was at The house of black that they found whenh they wer cleaning it would either be kreacher that has it for mundungas as they both wer stealing from the house. Hotsauce and syren = very knowledgeable in the way of harry potter.

True, but I still don't remember where in the book it says the stone goes from black to white to red...

wow guys your really getting into this, cool stuff🙂

actually, if that was true, i think that Harry would die, b/c he has really strong ties with Gryffindor, right? and Gryffindor is RED and Gold, right? and since sirius and dumbledore both died at the END of the book, and Harry wouldn't die at the beginning or middle(duh), it kinda helps. since JK never said that Harry wouldnt die, just that he wouldnt die before the 7th, he still could.it would kinda be a fitting ending, you know? i dont think he could just sit back and lead a "normal" life after all that he's been through. And what else would he do? he's not going back to school, so he cant be an Auror. possibly a teacher? but probably not.

he will probably die

i guess we just got to find out

Originally posted by froggigirl5972
actually, if that was true, i think that Harry would die, b/c he has really strong ties with Gryffindor, right? and Gryffindor is RED and Gold, right? and since sirius and dumbledore both died at the END of the book, and Harry wouldn't die at the beginning or middle(duh), it kinda helps. since JK never said that Harry wouldnt die, just that he wouldnt die before the 7th, he still could.it would kinda be a fitting ending, you know? i dont think he could just sit back and lead a "normal" life after all that he's been through. And what else would he do? he's not going back to school, so he cant be an Auror. possibly a teacher? but probably not.

You have a good point but JK has said that the seven Books are About the seven years At hogwarts. Of harry being in school

Hermione and Ron are getting togther and Harry is going to die

Ginny and Harrry, I hope, will get together

i think ron is going to die for sure....(sorry dana)...its just he seems like a sucha vulnerable person (i m really sorry) and a lot of sidekicks die so yeah....he'll probably die a hero though...but id prefer him, obviously, not to die at all

ok...i'm totally new to the site, but...not to HP. that being said, i offer forth the following speculations:

Severus Snape is NOT a Death Eater.

i know, i know, what the **** am i thinking; he got Sirius whacked, he offed Dumbledore. Hear me out.

1)In Sorcerer's Stone, he repeatedly saved Harry's life. Disregard his explanation from Chapter 2 of Half-Blood Prince; it doesn't pan out logically. "I stopped the Dark Lord because he was possessed by a greedy weakling?" let's be real.

2)He taught Harry Occlumency.

3)He showed Cornelius Fudge his Dark Mark when fudge was the Minister of Magic. ballsy.

4)The Order was always more well-informed than the Death Eaters; meaning Snape wasn't really putting his heart into spying for Voldemort; meaning he's on Harry's side.

5)He tried to help save Sirius, and Harry. Note that he took Harry's cryptic message about Padfoot being in the place it's hidden straight to the Order and informed that at once...plus he went to look for Harry in the Forbidden Forest, ALONE, when he realized what Harry had done.

6)he slipped Umbridge the fake Veritaserum to help Harry.

7)he was as amazed at Barty Crouch Jr.'s resurfacing as anyone. not to mention ahd no clue crouch was robbing him. if he thought Snape still a Death eater, wouldn't Barty Crouch, whom Voldemort repeatedly acknowledges as his most faithful DE ever in Goblet of Fire, have told him the plan and procured help the easy way?

8)he didn't punish Karkaroff personally for fleeing; even encouraged it; NOT actions of Voldemort's right hand.

9)he let Harry get away with the Half-Blood Prince's book w/o confiscating it.

10)he lied to Umbridge rather than reveal Sirius's wherabouts.

11)he always had a potion ready to cure Dumbledore or anyone else if needed.

12)Voldemort himself knew that there was a traitor in the Death Eaters, and who it was. This was not Legilimency; it was basic deduction from information gathered by Wormtail and Crouch Jr. and delivered to the Dark Lord.

13)and the grand capper: if you follow the book VERY closely; didn't something seem out of place? Dumbledore knew about Draco Malfoy...and about Snape's meetings with him...he and Snape often shared the same Pensieve...Dumbledore was an even more accomplished Legilimens than even Voldemort...anyways, to the point. Dumbledore was old, wounded, poisoned, and dying, and he knew it. After getting and destroying the second Horcrux, he pretty well knew he was finished. And he knew full well what Draco was up to; He only asked to humor him, to make him proud, to show him what he could acoomplish once Dumbledore decided to pop the question about switching sides. Now isn't it likely that Snape and Dumbledore had a secret plan? Dumbledore took Harry away to assure his safety; Snape told Draco to go ahead with whatever he was going to do; then Snape ran along once "alerted" and "joined" his "fellow" Death Eaters. but didn't you notice how he never threatened the Unbreakable Vow he made? never tried to hurt Malfoy OR Harry? in fact, made DAMN SURE that NO ONE hurt Harry in the fray? how he seemed to be guiding Malfoy...speaking of, Dumbledore was disarmed way too easily by Malfoy. almost HAD to've been staged. all he would've had to do was a little "Accio wand!" and Draco would've been ****ed.and Dumbledore begging Snape for mercy....lot of people have told me how they don't feel that makes sense. of course it doesn't, you hyena's ass. he wasn't begging for mercy; he was begging Snape to release him, to finish him, and to guide and protect Draco and Harry and try to unite them against Voldemort. Come to think of it...WHY were people whom Snape had had no formal contact with for almost 15 years so terrified of him at once glance when he first came out to see Dumbledore defenseless? no, no, not because he was Voldemort's golden boy; everyone knows that each man is as expendable as the next to Mr. Riddle dependent upon his or her current status and reliability. they feared him 'cause they didn't trust him. not to mention, if you think there's a flaw in my argument, i bring you my triumphant finale: Snape walked out of the front door with a full plan in mind. No way he could've unless everything was preordained. c'mon, if Flitwick had JUST inofrmed him there were Death Eaters, would his first instinct have been to go and find Malfoy, whom he already KNEW to be there, and Dumbledore? or to fight what was at hand, threatening the students? no, no, it was Dumbledore's Last Set-up. I think Book 7 will prove once and for all how vital Snape is to Harry's success. (Oh and let's not forget he dropped Harry that little clue about "keeping his mouth shut and his mind closed"😉...oh and one more bit to add...Snape WOULD be the perfect successor to Dumbledore. He hates Voldemort, and he is, behind Voldemort, the greatest wizard still living at the end of Half Blood Prince. What other "Death Eater" had such success in blocking Harry's spells and stymying him outright? Harry thwarted all the others.

ne ways, that's the end of that theory.

on to theory number 2:

the initials R.A.B. on the fake Horcrux:

personally, i'm inclined to believe those are the initials of Sirius's brother, Regulus Black. why? simple. One, Order of the Phoenix describes a heavy locket that no one could open sitting around in the Black family house on Grimmauld Place. the real Horcrux, as well as the fake, were lockets. perfect switch, right? two, No other character mentioned in the series seems to match the initials, except Hermione's unceremoniously dismissed assumptions of Bungs and Axebanger. Three, we know Regulus was killed for trying to leave the Death Eaters. What if that was his reason? Maybe, like his parents, he became a little less convinced of Voldemort's stability upon learning of what lengths his Lord would go to for power. Mayhap he even tried to acquire information to those links. mayhap he succeeded, as well. And Mayhap he was murdered not for trying to leave the Death Eaters, but because a livid and terrified Voldemort discovered that regulus knewso much...even if he never found out WHAT, specifically, regulus knew, or that he had stolen a horcrux. the only missing piece of the puzzle to back this claim is not knowing for sure what Regulus Black's middle name, or at least initial, is.

2 other possibilites: Borgin, whose first and middle names have not yet been revealed, and we know had many dealings with a young Tom Riddle and could possibly have began trailing him and finding out what he was up to;

OR

3)the not-unlikely possibility that Rowling is going to introduce one more brand-new character into the series in the closing volume.

and speculative topic number THREE!

the Horcruxes

we know Tom Riddle's diary is destroyed
we know the Gaunt family ring is destroyed
*the locket of Salazar Slytherin MAY be destroyed; the cryptic note within the fake Horcrux indicates as much

and of course; the final 3 Horcruxes

all of them seem to have been found in places that meant something significant to Tom Marvolo Riddle, pre-Lord Voldemort, so:

1)Helga Hufflepuff's cup:
2)Nagini
3)an unknown object; although whatever it is probably belonged either to Godric Gryffindor or Rowena Ravenclaw

suspicions:

the Gaunt ring was found in the Gaunt family home
Tom's diary was first entrusted to Lucius Malfoy, then shipped to Hogwarts
Merope gaunt's locket was found, as was the fake Horcrux left behind, in the cave where young Tom Riddle tortured his fellow orphanage residents

ideas...

i think one is in Borgin & Burke's. sue me.
we know Nagini never leaves Voldemort's side; which is going to make her the most difficult Horcrux to destroy, plus make her destroyer's intentions rather obvious if Voldemort catches Harry doing it
my guess for the final Horcrux would have to be...believe it or not...the bedroom that Tom Riddle slept in at the orphange he grew up in.

~p.s.~ incidentally, what's with this "harry has to die to kill voldemort 'cause voldemort took his blood" bullshit? personally, i think Dumbledore's "look of triumph" from Goblet of Fire was about him knowing that good ol' Tom Riddle made his first real crucial mistake in assuming that Lily's protection could carry over to him. Wouldn't Harry's blood weaken Voldemort since he can't comprehend love, the emotion which causes him physical damage? i think Harry's blood will be his one great weakness and determine the outcome

has anybody got any speculations about what the 6th and final horcrux is?

personally, i have a good idea, but i wanna know what other fans think first.(btw, if i'm right, which i'd give about a 70% chance, then most of you are WAY off the mark. it's NOT the Sorting Hat; if it was, it would never have let Harry go anywhere BUT Slytherin. It's not Gryffindor's sword, obviously, because until it fell out of the Sorting Hat only Dumbledore knew it was there. And the idea of Harry being a Horcrux is so far-fetched it's really not even worth my mentioning. 1) If Harry WAS a Horcrux, he would be able to feel it. 2) The Prophecy would be rendered moot "neither can live while the OTHER survives." it does not say they BOTH have to die. 3) Slughorn specifically states to Tom Riddle in the Pensieve that in order to create a Horcrux, one must A)commit murder, and B) choose and object and incant a specific spell(which Dumbledore later says must be done within seconds of the murder.) The only way this would make sense would be if Voldemort killed Lily, made Harry a Horcrux, then used the Avada Kedavra against him to be sure that the incantation had worked. but even this makes no sense because 1) He would already know full well how the spell worked, having already created Horcruxes in the past, and 2)because if Harry WAS a Horcrux, he was still mortal, and both he and Voldemort's piece of soul would have been destroyed, so people, kindly get off this lame-ass, far-fetched theory. Rowling has done nothing so stupid yet, and there is no reason to believe that she wil wait for the final book to cast herself as such an idiot. NOW: If anyone has read Prisoner of Azkaban and Half-Blood Prince EXTREMELY thoroughly, then they will likely share in my speculation.)

BTW...personally, I'M interested in knowing exactly what the incantation to create a Horcrux is and where Tom Riddle found out.

movin' on...

somebody on another forum pointed something very indicative out to me, further bolstering(i think) my claims of Snape's allegiance to the Order:

there was a scene in Half Blood Prince where, as i recall, Hagird informs Harry that "Snape and Dumbledore were arguing heatedly about something" while he was coming out of the forest. now, there's only two things i can think of that argument being about:

1)Dumbledore's discovery of Snape's Unbreakable Vow to Narcissa Malfoy(which, to me, makes no sense, because Harry has already informed Dumbledore by that point and Dumbledore had acted completely nonchalant and unsurprised, leading me to believe that he either gave the go-ahead or the flat-out order for Snape to do so)

and

2)Snape and Dumbledore were setting up the final scene, and Snape was arguing against killing Dumbledore. i further bolster this view by pointing out that Snape and Dumbledore made eye contact in this scene,which is critical for mental communication. Furthering this side of the argument, i believe Snape's look of "hatred and revulsion" stems thus: he hated Dumbledore for making him kill him, and was revulsed by the thought, the act, and himself for doing it. furthering this argument yet more is Snape's irate outburst when Harry insults him and he screams back "DON'T CALL ME A COWARD!" now, what about that would make Snape so irate? Well, perhaps because he had just committed the single bravest act in Wizarding history: killing his mentor, making himself look fatally bad in the process by hiding the secret from everyone as Dumbledore oredered him to and thereby putting his life at threat against any D.A. or Order member he later encountered, and going deep under cover in the realm of the Death Eaters, endangering his life even more should he be forced to reveal his secret in their prescence, or even worse, in Voldemort's.

one final note on thsi subject: Severus Snape did everything he could to call his fellow Death Eaters off of Harry and Hogwarts once Dumbledore was dead. and i do mean everything. read the passage carefully. and if it was true what he said to the DE who used the Cruciatus Curse on Harry about the Dark Lord ordering them to leave Harry for him, why would Snape NOT have attempted to capture Harry while the two dueled one-on-one and take him directly to Voldemort himself, thereby further cementing his status as Voldemort's right hand? Harry was utterly alone at that moment with no one to protect him; Hagrid was still far in the background and hadn't even been mentioned yet.

other points:

1)i wonder whether the Philosopher's Stone (aka Sorcerer's Stone in the U.S. translate) and/or Nicolas Flamel will have anything to do with the finale.

2)i get the feelin Rowling is hiding something important from us, although i know for a fact that she's stated in interviews that there will be no brand-new key characters introduced in Year 7. however, this doesn't mean she won't introduce minor characters/objects or name previously unnamed characters or identify previously unidentified objects.

3)there was a goddamn reason Merope Riddle allowed herself to die in childbirth. My wildest guess is that she believed the baby better off w/o her, although i acknowledge that there are other possibilities.
{by the way, notice how the curse against the Defense Against the Dark Arts job is still working? Snape only lasted a year after taking it. 🙂)}

further speculations:

will ron's proficiency at chess play a part? it hasn't been mentioned since philosopher's stone

many belive the librarian is related to Snape, possibly even his mom, since her name, Irma Pince, is an anagram of "I'm A Prince". now, i won't discount this, because of what we discovered at the end of chamber of secrets, but on the same token, it would be rather cheesy of Rowling to do something so ingenious twice.

we've received no clue as to whether a life boon transfers to next of kin if one dies. if it does, wormtail and snape BOTH owe Harry one.

does anyone find it fishy that wormtail is living with Snape? i mean, he was one of the four Marauders, right? Granted, he got along okay enough w/Lupin, but that's presumably because Lupin never took part in Snape's bullying.

Snape knew full well what Quirrell was up to and went to great lengths to stop him. by that time, Voldemort had already possessed Quirrell, which means he probably knows about this and does NOT forgive Snape; therefore we can expect Snape's cover to be blown.

Why is it that Death Eaters automatically defer to Snape whenever he's around? what the ****? i know he's supposedly Voldemort's right hand, but c'mon.

AND ONE LAST NOTE BEFORE I GO!::

now, we know from J.K. Rowling herself that Harry IS NOT a decendant of Godric Gryffindor, which brings me to the following as my post's conclusion:

Harry is a Parselmouth.
Harry looks like pre-Horcrux Tom Marvolo Riddle(read Chamber of Secrets carefully, now!).
Harry was able to open the Chamber of Secrets.

this leads me to believe the following:

Harry WILL have to die, not to kill Voldemort, but to prevent further progenitation of Salazar Slytherin's blood.

*huffNpuff* a'ight, i'm done. l8rz.

ok i agree with most of that, and that was lonnnng.
i totaly agree with the part about snape. however i don't think harry is going to die.

July 7 2007

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