Everyone thinks Galactus is equal to Eternity when his "full power" was only shown in Secret Wars (which was retconned btw)...
other then that the only evidence we have that Big G and Eternity at least treat each other as equals are these pannels:
Though they appear to have a great ammount of respect for each other, this dosent necessarily mean that they are equal in terms of power.
Originally posted by long pig
I 101% agree.Ha, you limey bastards didn't know we could agree with such gusto, didja?
lp, it's been too long, m'man! good to know you're lurking . . .
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and galan -- i MOSTLY agree with you. except . . . galactus was NOT at full power in secret wars. after the world ship he STILL needed MORE energy.
full=FULL ie -- he can't get more powerful/is maxxed out at 'full'. makes no sense to suppose he was at full power (equal to eternity) but was then able to absorb MORE power. was he then able to become MORE powerful than eternity??
the only real way to resolve the issue to to say that the worldship made him powerful, but was not enough to get him to full power. i doubt very highly that absorbing war world and its sun would have had him at full either.
full is hypothetical and remains that way.
Originally posted by leonidasDoom is the one that absorbed Big G's power/ship in Secret Wars, but it dosent matter either way, because it was all retconned...... The only thing that came out of Secret Wars was Spidey's black suit, nothing more.
and galan -- i MOSTLY agree with you. except . . . galactus was NOT at full power in secret wars. after the world ship he STILL needed MORE energy.full=FULL ie -- he can't get more powerful/is maxxed out at 'full'. makes no sense to suppose he was at full power (equal to eternity) but was then able to absorb MORE power. was he then able to become MORE powerful than eternity??
All we really have to go on as far as Galactus being "equal" to Eternity are the scans I posted.....
Which only shows that the 2 of them respect each other. It dosent show that their powers' are equal by any means
i think there was another connection established between g and eternity, but i can't recall off-hand where. it was NOT in a direct interaction between g and eternity, but was hinted at by other characters in a conversation.
nothing conclusive exists to say say that g WILL equal eternity though -- on that score you are absolutely correct. it's all speculation -- even by the characters involved. it is equally feasible that in the end he may NOT equal eternity, or may EXCEED him.
Originally posted by leonidas
and galan -- i MOSTLY agree with you. except . . . galactus was NOT at full power in secret wars. after the world ship he STILL needed MORE energy.full=FULL ie -- he can't get more powerful/is maxxed out at 'full'. makes no sense to suppose he was at full power (equal to eternity) but was then able to absorb MORE power. was he then able to become MORE powerful than eternity??
the only real way to resolve the issue to to say that the worldship made him powerful, but was not enough to get him to full power. i doubt very highly that absorbing war world and its sun would have had him at full either.
That was Reed Richards speculating he would do that, in the issue the WRITERS NEVER said he NEEDED to or even COULD absorb more.
And when Doom had the Power, Doom was ONE with ETERNITY and he was able to strip the Fabric of the Universe like child's play (without the Sun or Battleworld)
So perhaps it wasn't ALL he could absorb, but,
Galactus's Ship = Eternity
Originally posted by Mr Master
That was Reed Richards speculating he would do that, in the issue the WRITERS NEVER said he NEEDED to or even COULD absorb more.And when Doom had the Power, Doom was ONE with ETERNITY and he was able to strip the Fabric of the Universe like child's play (without the Sun or Battleworld)
So perhaps it wasn't ALL he could absorb, but,
Galactus's Ship = Eternity
Originally posted by Mr Master
That was Reed Richards speculating he would do that, in the issue the WRITERS NEVER said he NEEDED to or even COULD absorb more.And when Doom had the Power, Doom was ONE with ETERNITY and he was able to strip the Fabric of the Universe like child's play (without the Sun or Battleworld)
So perhaps it wasn't ALL he could absorb, but,
Galactus's Ship = Eternity
sorry, not buying it. where exactly does it say doom was "ONE with ETERNITY"? 😕
you're making an unfounded leap. just because doom had power to SHOW mm the intricacies of the universe, to look into various levels of the universe, absolutely does NOT equate to him to eternity. strange can look into different dimensions and see similar things. galactus did something similar when he was regaining the infinity gems in the thanos series. he was peeling back layers of 'reality' to get the gems, opening interdimensional aperatures. even in IG he has traversing various levels of eternity. why is showing a layer to mm so impressive to you?
in fact, the fallacy of doom's 'omnipotence' is made apparent when he states he is mightier than mm. doom wouldn't even have been as powerful as galactus would have been had galactus KEPT the power.
clearly worldship+doom<worldship+galactus
the world ship made him tough, but not equal to eternity.
Originally posted by leonidas
sorry, not buying it.
I never expected you to, this is for anyone who enters into this thread.
Originally posted by leonidas
where exactly does it say doom was "ONE with ETERNITY"?
If you can't tell from that scan what Doom is, I won't go any further into it.
As you wish.
Originally posted by leonidas
you're making an unfounded leap. just because doom had power to SHOW mm the intricacies of the universe, to look into various levels of the universe,
This is an unfounded leap.
He isn't showing him different levels of Eternity.
He STRIPPED the Fabric of the Universe.
Originally posted by leonidas
strange can look into different dimensions and see similar things.
Please do show me when Strange has STRIPPED the Fabric of the Universe bare.
Also show me when Strange has done this:
Originally posted by leonidas
galactus did something similar when he was regaining the infinity gems in the thanos series. he was peeling back layers of 'reality' to get the gems,
Again, show me where Galactus STRIPPED the Fabric of the Universe.
Originally posted by leonidas
opening interdimensional aperatures. even in IG he has traversing various levels of eternity. why is showing a layer to mm so impressive to you?
You equate travelling past different Universes in order to reach Magus's lair to UNFOLDING the very FABRIC of the Universe.
ok.
Originally posted by leonidas
in fact, the fallacy of doom's 'omnipotence' is made apparent when he states he is mightier than mm.
He was mightier than him,
Molecule Man had imposed mental blocks on himself limiting his ability.
It was Doom, in that same issue that unleashed MM full potential.
Originally posted by leonidas
clearly worldship+doom<worldship+galactus
"clearly"?
You mean in your opinion.
Doom absorbed Galactus's Power plus his SHIP'S Energy.
How Galactus would have had more power, I can't imagine.
Originally posted by Mr Master
And when Doom had the Power, Doom was ONE with ETERNITY and he was able to strip the Fabric of the Universe like child's play (without the Sun or Battleworld)So perhaps it wasn't ALL he could absorb, but,
Galactus's Ship = Eternity
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uh, mm, not sure how to say this without . . . making you look . . . well . . . not very good, but that scan you been passing around, the one with mm and doom in it you used to tell everyone that doom with galactus's powers=eternity is . . . a "tiny" bit misleading.
that above scan is actually from secret wars #11. that scan of yours shows doom while he is wielding the BEYONDER'S power!!!
now i'll assume that was an oversight, rather than a deliberate attempt at misleading people, and go on to your reply to my post knowing that any conclusions you've drawn from that scan are obviously null and void.
Originally posted by Mr Master
This is an unfounded leap.He isn't showing him different levels of Eternity.
He STRIPPED the Fabric of the Universe.
what exactly does that mean to you? 'stripped the fabric of the universe' means what exactly? and WHERE exactly did you see this phrase? regardless, you are caught up in terminology. i showed scans once from the defenders mini that tells us that OUR (not multi) eternity is made up of MANY 'realities' and 'universes'. the watcher peels back layers of reality to look into different universes -- he looks BEYOND the fabric of eternity. i'm very unclear where you are getting the notion that just because he can peel back layers/fabric of the universe that he is . . . eternity? seriously, not picking a fight, i just really don't get that. in the scan where doom has GALACTUS'S power he says that he can sense everything around him -- not everything in the UNIVERSE. his senses expand to the planet, no where does it go beyond that.
[quotePlease do show me when Strange has STRIPPED the Fabric of the Universe bare.
Also show me when Strange has done this:[/quote]
you're stuck again on terminology, so obviously i can't show a scan that says 'strange stripped the fabric of the universe'. but i don't understand why i would need to. doom with g's power could apparently warp reality in the area around him. given that he could raise the dead with ss's power cosmic and that the ss has shown the ability to GLOBALLY affect things on a planetary scale, that . . . isn't that impressive. 😬
Again, show me where Galactus STRIPPED the Fabric of the Universe.
again with the quote, but again . . . i don't get why you're so hung up on it. it seems to be the sole reason why you're equating doom and eternity. knowing now that doom had beyonder's power in the scene with mm, does that mean you're willing to drop this notion of a full-power galactus?
You equate travelling past different Universes in order to reach Magus's lair to UNFOLDING the very FABRIC of the Universe.ok.
how did they GET to the different levels they traveled through? they must have . . . peeled away/stripped/opened holes in the universe.
He was mightier than him,Molecule Man had imposed mental blocks on himself limiting his ability.
It was Doom, in that same issue that unleashed MM full potential.
obviously a noon-issue because he had beyonder's power, not galactus's.
"clearly"?You mean in your opinion.
touche, however:
Doom absorbed Galactus's Power plus his SHIP'S Energy.
is speculatory, as i admit mine is. galactus lived, so not ALL his energy was pulled from him, and even if he had only a fragment left he would STILL be far greater than just doom.
How Galactus would have had more power, I can't imagine. [/B]
easy -- he gets the beyonder's power too. 😉
hopefully, given the inappropriateness of that molecule man scan, we can lay this issue to rest. 🙂
Originally posted by leonidas
that above scan is actually from secret wars #11. that scan of yours shows doom while he is wielding the BEYONDER'S power!!!
No biggi,
an honest mistake in a mass overload of cropped scans I have.
Whether I look good or not means not little, but nothing actually.
I always said I have been wrong and will continue to be wrong, as you have been before too. (I'm not perfect)
Some cats around here always overlook when they're proven wrong, not me though, I admit it like a man.
I went back, flipped pages and noticed I was wrong about that ONE Scan, I won't try to yip yap my way out of it, or overlook it like others do when I'm the one doing the disproven.
On the other hand, isn't it intersting that you thought that Scan didn't mean much towards the idea that FP Galactus = Eternity, now we realize that's Doom with the Beyonder's Power, which means what Doom did was FAR beyond the scope of all the comparisons you match him with.
So I was wrong, but you were wrong in comparing that Feat in the Scan with Galactus, Strange and whoever else you threw into the mix. 😎
