Originally posted by Galan007
It's so odd that when one user conclusively disagrees with another user, they are automatically a sock. 🙄That's a pretty immature accusation, unless of course it is a fact.
Galan, me and you are cool, ive had friendly convos with you over PM, dont start to insult me because im debating on the opposite side to you in the Abraxas thread. Now THAT would be immature. 😬
Originally posted by GalacticStormI wasn't accusing you at all, was your name brought up? ❌
Galan, me and you are cool, ive had friendly convos with you over PM, dont start to insult me because im debating on the opposite side to you in the Abraxas thread. Now THAT would be immature. 😬
Both Mr M, and yourself have accused the other of having sock accounts. I'm just saying that it's "poor form" to accuse people of socking, just because their opinions differ. Unless of course, you know for sure that the other user is in fact a sock.
Why can't debates like this stay clean? (this again was not just directed at you by any means).
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
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I can't believe you did it again.
You only have one scan of Phoenix holding a universe in the palm of her hand. Is this the only scan you have to use as evidence of Phoenix's power? 😐
This still doesn't show she's above the Infinity Gauntlet.
AND your using your mbody "interpretation" to somehow make Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet. It's not working and I will not be drawn into a long winded debate with you over your interpretation of the mbodies and how they relate to Thano's power with the Infinity Gauntlet. Your interpretation is just too far reaching in relation to Thanos.
A person who wields the Infinity Gauntlet only answers to the Living Tribunal and the Living Tribunal alone.
Originally posted by Galan007
I wasn't accusing you at all, was your name brought up? ❌Both Mr M, yourself have accused the other of having sock accounts. I'm just saying that it's immature to accuse people of socking, just because their opinions differ.
Why can't debates like this stay clean? (this again was not just directed at you by any means).
I agree, good post, but sometimes on forums things are suspicious. 🙂
Originally posted by Rewmac
GS do you really believe that Phoenix Force is above the power of the Infinity Gauntlet?
Rewmac, Phoenix conclusively has demonstrated a higher level of power than we've seen from the IG.
Current continuity tells us that the IG just taps into the power of the Big Bang.
Not only is Phoenix by definition the more potent power but also by on panel feat.
With all that in mind its quite understandable why i think the way i do.
Whats not understandable is how you'd question my interpretation like im mad when Eternity says himself that his Mbodys arent his totality and all Thanos did was beat down Mbodys whilst Phoenix manipulated all that is the universe in the palm of her hand.
Its you who's being illogical. 😬
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If winning is spamming threads with scans backed by meaningless commentary, then yeah whatever you say mate.
there you go again being a condescending prick
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Id like to think winning is posting a more coherently structured arguement, backed by on panel references actually stating precisely what point youre trying to make.
precisely what mr masters has done
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Get the hell outta here you loser!
your the sore loser accusing posters that disagree with you of being socks
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How sad you are to resort to sock accounts to make your stance look more popular.
i wish there was a way to present to posters who i am so we can all laugh our asses off at you and your paranoia
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Whats not understandable is how you'd question my interpretation like im mad when Eternity says himself that his Mbodys arent his totality and all Thanos did was beat down Mbodys whilst Phoenix manipulated all that is the universe in the palm of her hand.
I can't believe your basing entire arguement on this. You only have one, just ONE scan of Phoenix's power, and you suddenly trying put her above Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet. It doesn't work like that. Phoenix has not consistantly shown she is above the Infinity Gauntlet in power.
You're mbody arguement your trying to use to depower and dehype Thanos and Infinity Gauntlet is flawed and doesn't work. You've been arguing it for almost 40 pages and it still doesn't work.
Have you noticed your the only person who is defending phoenix. Plus your avatar, and signature (yes I'm calling you out here) proudly display Phoenix and connote a sense of bias to everyone who debates with you and everyone whose been reading this thread. You're letting your your fondness for the phoenix cloud your judgement.
Originally posted by Evangel94
I can't believe you did it again.You only have one scan of Phoenix holding a universe in the palm of her hand. 😐 Is this the only scan you have to use as evidence of Phoenix's power?
This still doesn't show she's above the Infinity Gauntlet.
AND your using your mbody "interpretation" to somehow make Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet. It's not working and I will not be drawn into a long winded debate with you over your interpretation of the mbodies and how they relate to Thano's power with the Infinity Gauntlet.
A person who wields the Infinity Gauntlet only answers to the Living Tribunal and the Living Tribunal alone.
Of course it does. Stop being so stubborn. By continuity the IG taps into the universes power and Phoenix manipulated all that is the universe in the palm of her hand at an atomic level conclusively showing she wielded more power than that which was in the universe.
The Mbody interpretation isnt just my opinion. My interpretation is just a relaying of whats stated on panel.
Ive just posted a scan of Eternity saying his Mbodys are nothing to his totality, ive posted scans of him saying his Mbody is just a representation of his totality. It is not theory my friend. Understand that. If Thanos just beat down some Mbodys as his top feat then Phoenix has a higher feat of power than him.
The threat of the IG was stopped by LT guilt tripping Adam, he never stopped it through display of power.
If the IG only answers to LT then i think the HOTI would have something to say about that. And if by definition the IG draws on the universes power and Phoenix had all that is the universe in the palm of her hand then that says it all.
You have your opinion to go by. I have greater on panel feats and the IG nature as per continuity to support me. 😬
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope. Because hes disagreeing with whats stated on panel in favour of his opinion on things. Get it right.
on panel mr masters proved that eternitys m-body can create a universe and is a universe
so you have your one scan but mr masters posted over 10 scans showing everyone that eternity is the universe so dont tell me its our opinion versus your on panel evidence when mr masters posted over 10 scans supporting his interpretation while you only posted one and that one scan you posted is ambiguous at that
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Of course it does. Stop being so stubborn. By continuity the IG taps into the universes power and Phoenix manipulated all that is the universe in the palm of her hand at an atomic level conclusively showing she wielded more power than that which was in the universe.The Mbody interpretation isnt just my opinion. My interpretation is just a relaying of whats stated on panel.
Ive just posted a scan of Eternity saying his Mbodys are nothing to his totality, ive posted scans of him saying his Mbody is just a representation of his totality. It is not theory my friend. Understand that. If Thanos just beat down some Mbodys as his top feat then Phoenix has a higher feat of power than him.
The threat of the IG was stopped by LT guilt tripping Adam, he never stopped it through display of power.
If the IG only answers to LT then i think the HOTI would have something to say about that. And if by definition the IG draws on the universes power and Phoenix had all that is the universe in the palm of her hand then that says it all.
You have your opinion to go by. I have greater on panel feats and the IG nature as per continuity to support me. 😬
Your trying to say that just because Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet beat an aspect/representation/avatar of Eternity and not his "totality" that it suddenly makes him weaker than Phoenix who only has one universal feat? Sorry, but your going to have to try harder than that.
Living Tribunal has directly stopped the power of the infinity gauntlet in the "Infinity War" storyline. Living Tribunal directly stopped the Infinity Gauntlet from functioning. The Living Tribunal is the first (but not only) being in line who has the power to stop the Infinity Gauntlet.
The Infinity Gauntlet doesn't draw "power from the universe". The Infinity Gauntlet draws from the leftover power of a dead being who created the multi-verse.
You don't have many on panel feats that put Phoenix over the Infinity Gauntlet. You just have ONE scan of Phoenix holding one universe. Show me something else besides that same scan over and over. All you have is one scan and speculation. It isn't enough. The Infinity Gauntlet has entire comic storylines to back up it's power.
Don't call me stubborn. Have you noticed your the ONLY one whose been arguing for the Phoenix. I'm not the one who's been persistently been arguing for the Phoenix for almost 40 pages. You're avatar, signature, and faulty argument say it all.
Originally posted by Smoki
on panel mr masters proved that eternitys m-body can create a universe and is a universe
so you have your one scan but mr masters posted over 10 scans showing everyone that eternity is the universe so dont tell me its our opinion versus your on panel evidence when mr masters posted over 10 scans supporting his interpretation while you only posted one and that one scan you posted is ambiguous at that
As far as that Eternity scan of the Mbody leaving a universe, him leaving didnt cause the universe to disappear. He left the universe behind him as stated.
There were stars and so on left behind him. The argument was that the universe was Eternitys totality, if that was the case then all the stars and so on would have been a part of him, but they were left.
The comic states that the universe imploded. It was still there it just imploded. It never got dragged through the portal with the walking Mbody. It just collapsed. Why? Because as the comic states without the sentience of the universe there it lost meaning.
Thats all. That totally contradicts Mr Masters theories.
When Eternity went into the blank universe he gave it meaning and the universe sprung to life.
Read the captions in the High Evolutionary scene. The universe, all the stars and planets never got dragged out as they would have if that Mbody was the universe in its totality, they just collpased with the absence of meaning, but as stated the universe just needed a new entity to wake it up.
As for Mr Masters other scans my other post today deals with that. Have a read back. None of his scans were conclusive they were all open to interpretation. He just chose an interpretation at odds with Eternitys own comments about himself in multiple issues and what the handbooks say as well.
Once again its MM's opinion of whats going on in these scans, versus my alternative interpretation which is supported by Eternitys comments and by bios.
Originally posted by Evangel94
Your trying to say that just because Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet beat an aspect/representation/avatar of Eternity and not his "totality" that it suddenly makes him weaker than Phoenix who only has one universal feat? Sorry, but your going to have to try harder than that.
Im saying that Phoenix has a far higher feat of power so you have no credible reason for saying Thanos would win based solely on him beating the abstracts which is a much lower feat.
Originally posted by Evangel94
Living Tribunal has directly stopped the power of the infinity gauntlet in the "Infinity War" storyline. Living Tribunal directly stopped the Infinity Gauntlet from functioning. The Living Tribunal is the [b]first (but not only) being in line who has the power to stop the Infinity Gauntlet.[/B]
Nope. Dr Strange did the same thing with mystical artifacts. Refer to Long Pig and his Strange respect thread.
Originally posted by Evangel94
The Infinity Gauntlet doesn't draw "power from the universe". The Infinity Gauntlet draws from the leftover power of a dead being who created the [b]multi-verse.[/B]
You need to comprehend the meaning of the word retcon. That IG origin hasnt been continuity for many years. I will post this once more:
Originally posted by Evangel94
You don't have many on panel feats that put Phoenix over the Infinity Gauntlet. You just have [b]ONE scan of Phoenix holding one universe. Show me something else besides that same scan over and over. All you have is one scan and speculation. It isn't enough. The Infinity Gauntlet has entire comic storylines to back up it's power.[/B]
If i have one feat thats conclusively above all the ones you have to show then thats all that matters. LT has few high level on panel feats yet noone doubts his power due to character testimonies.
Regardless the Phoenix has also consumed the universe in other realities, been asked by LT not to possess anymore humans because she represents too great a threat to the multiverse in what ifs, Phoenix has amputated the very substance of time, a feat unparallelled in Marvel. Beings have manipulated time along the chronal axis, reversed it forwarded it but noone has cut away at its very substance. She cut off a future timeline from Eternity and disposed of it. Said action fatally wounded the universe which lead to the universe in the palm of the hand thing. Phoenix with teh souls of the X-men as anchors re-energised the energy lattice which bound the core of the multiverse. If she had not contained the M'kraan crystal with her energies the multiverse would have been swallowed.
Originally posted by Evangel94
Don't call me stubborn. Have you noticed your the ONLY one whose been arguing for the Phoenix. I'm not the one who's been persistently been arguing for the Phoenix for almost [b]40 pages. You're avatar, signature, and faulty argument say it all. [/B]
Im not the only one arguing for Phoenix. Im the most prominent debator for Phoenix, however you wouldnt know this because instead of taking the time out to read the thread and analyse the arguments you've just waded in here spouting rubbish that got dealt with ten pages back.
A little consideration goes a long way. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
[B]If winning is spamming threads with scans backed by meaningless commentary, then yeah whatever you say mate. 🙂Id like to think winning is posting a more coherently structured arguement, backed by on panel references actually stating precisely what point youre trying to make.
Still you continue your little crusade. 😆 And declaring yourself the winner? How sad.
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I dont think Eternitys Mbody is his totality when he appears within reality, i think its just a visual representation.
What do the comics say? 😖hifty:
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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
[B]If winning is spamming threads with scans backed by meaningless commentary, then yeah whatever you say mate. 🙂Id like to think winning is posting a more coherently structured arguement, backed by on panel references actually stating precisely what point youre trying to make.
Still you continue your little crusade. 😆 And declaring yourself the winner? How sad.
I dont think Eternitys Mbody is his totality when he appears within reality, i think its just a visual representation.What do the comics say? 😖hifty:
😆 Your taking Eternity's claim about his power over the IG? The Eternity who was jealous of the IG's power and thought of himself as the only being worthy of wield it's power? The IG has manipulated the universe with snaps of the finger. It's stopped the Ultimate Nullifier dead in it's track. But you don't think Eternity's totality can be affected by the IG when the Ultimate Nullifier ATLEAST a universal destroyer? Bull.
Get the hell outta here you loser! 😂How sad you are to resort to sock accounts to make your stance look more popular. 😮
Get off Phoenix's bone G.S., you sad little man.
Originally posted by Mr Master
continues...Rachel complies, and excepts her fate:
"it's only one LIFE he wants ... I give it to him"
And when Rachel Summers (the Phoenix Force) is being drained:
"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"
Then Roma says,
"that child (Rachel Summers) is Phoenix, living embodiment of ONE of the primal forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being, as to yours, and all creation"
I first though Roma meant Phoenix couldn't be killed no matter what, but the next panel clears that up nicely.
Roma then says,
Galactus then says,
"my sustenance is living Planets, the Phoenix can obliterate an entire cosmos"Then Mistress or in this case "Mr" Death responds with,
"and from that death, bring about new life, but you're CHANGING that, BREAKING the Eternal PATTERN"So the Phoenix Force can be erased, that's glorious!
And guess what?
Death and Galactus would survive, as would Eternity but as a Void (which would become Oblivion after it's Entropy)
"Is that your wish Galactus? ... to condemn the cosmos to ultimate extinction, and yourself to an Eternity in an Infinite Void, (so Galactus would SURVIVE) "can even you endure such desolation?" (only the existences that NEED Stars to survive would die)
Death is so cool when it says,
"unless that's what you really want? ... You've handed so many over to my care, why not lay down your burdens, and JOIN them?" (so Death SURVIVES too)
Finally Galactus releases the actual Phoenix Force and ALLOWS it to exist:
So here we have the Phoenix Force existing in the 616 Earth Plane through Rachel, and also carrying out it's Cosmic purpose of sustaining the Stars of the Universe which can ONLY be performed in it's Natural State.
Can't Eternity in the same fashion manifest entirely while still sustaining the Universe?
Oooops! Someone else caught G.S. lying again.
Remember kids, always trust G.S....to leave out important scans. 😂
