Thanos with IG vs White Crown Phoenix

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Galactus was only separating the Force from Rachel. That is all. So your line about him permitting the Force to survive is BULL.

Actually Galactus was KILLING the Phoenix Force On Panel.

Galactus's intent was to separate the Force from Rachel, but as Roma told him, Rachel was the Phoenix and they could not be separated, this is why the Stars were going out, because Phoenix was being ERASED from existence.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As for the other point. Phoenix was using up life energy stopping future generations from existing. We were told earlier that the Force is the expression of the universal life force so if shes using that all up what do you thinks gonna happen?

I don't care what we were told in some hyperbolic statement, you ADDED Text to the scan from your own mind, and that's basically an attempt to have us swallow your Bullshit

You said,

"Phoenix was using up the life energy of the Universe, shortening the cycle"

You completely MADE THAT UP ...

"you tap into a source of near limitless potential, you who denies existence to generations of the future"

Phoenix absorbs energy from the life force of LIVING BEINGS that have not been born yet, this has NOTHING to do with the Universe's life energy or it's cycle.

Nice try.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As for the UN stuff. My point still stands. The damage that Abraxas may have caused may have been multiversal, that doesnt mean that the UN directly wiped out the entire multiverse.
By wiping out Abraxas, everything he did would have been wiped out to. Its understandable why you have interpreted it the way you have, but all you have is amiguous comments from Reed. I can gain my interpretation from that same comic, plus i can refer to established continuity about the UN AND Marvel handbooks and the official site which verify my interpretation.

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In light of that as far as debates are concerned your interpretation is INVALID.

EVERY interpretation that defies yours, is invalid, moot and void, we already know this.

Jeez, have you EVER owned up to anything?

Have you EVER admitted you were wrong?

My, my, what intransigency...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I’m well versed on the IG and as opposed to just admiring the pretty artwork, I actually analyze what is said and shown which makes a misinterpretation a lot less probable than many others on here it would seem.

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Take Magus’ supposed on panel merger of the two universes. Didn’t happen. It was begun, but he was interrupted. The fact that the processes initiation could be felt by Xavier and then later on Galactus shows it wouldn’t have been instantaneous anyway. That’s analysis for you. You just swallowed what you were told by a biased poster as opposed to taking the time out to work out what was going on yourself.

Continuous Bull shit

You never let us down duke.

Magus with an INCOMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet had TOTAL CONTROL of TWO UNIVERSES,

and he himself was in a UNIVERSE separated from these TWO Universes he was TOTALY CONTROLLING!

"My TAKEOVER of your ACTUALITY, USING my now missing Cosmic Containment Units, WOULD HAVE TAKEN HOURS to Accomplish"

"Other matters have a higher priority now, such as MAKING your UNIVERSE MINE"

With his INCOMPLETE IG, Magus MERGED TWO UNIVERSES in an INSTANT.

WHY would Magus put a TIMETABLE on the progress of the Cosmic Containment Units, to compare it to what he could accomplish with the Incomplete IG?

"WOULD HAVE TAKEN HOURS" with the CCUs,

so NOW with the Incomplete IG, it will take one "Hour," "Minutes," "Seconds" or WHAT duke?

Come on duke, let's see more Bull shit ....

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As for Nemesis in the Ultraforce crossover, she never destroyed two universes; she unleashed a reality warp across two universes. The two were left largely intact except for chunks of matter she took from both which she then used to make her own universe

At the end of Avengers Ultraforce, with just a superficial analysis of what was stated, you would be forgiven for believing that she destroyed two universes. In fact that’s exactly what the statement alludes to. However it was creative energy she unleashed. She wasn’t destroying, she was remaking.

By reading the next issue titled Ultraforce Avengers, you found out that she never actually remade both universes as the finishing statement of the last issue lead us to believe. Her reality warp spread across both universes and she plucked elements from both to create a [B]pocket universe of her own, just a few thousand miles across and a few metres deep

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There we go,

classic GS in the house, no one can do anything except for Phoenix, even though it clearly states, "in the blink of an eye the Being called Nemesis Obliterates TWO Universes"

Observe people how this cat just warps evidence to suit his agenda, it's hilarious that he would even try it with this one.

The TRUTH of what occured:

The Infinity Being DESTROYED Two Universes to create a New Reality that contained parts of BOTH Universes:

"What we have witnessed and EXPERIENCED of TWO Universes must be UNDONE!"

"in the blink of an eye the Being called Nemesis Obliterates TWO Universes "

"not with destructive force, but with a wave of creative energy. thus Reality is not brought to the edge of apocalypse, but its very Origins"

After OBLITERATING the TWO Universes, Nemesis began to create,

"a brief sketch of a working Universe, a few thousand miles across, CONTAINING Elements of UniverseS It'd EXPERIENCED"

This isn't surprising at all, after Nemesis was split apart, she released WAVES of Creation Energy, which built back the Two Universes and even MORE Universes were CREATED back to back as each WAVE was unleashed.

Observe In the next post...

When the Black Night shattered the union of the Infinity gems located on Nemesis's head, the Infinity Being's power was unleashed in Waves of creation energy.

The first Wave created a New Universe, (the Ultraverse)

"Everything begins again"

"Something bigger than us claps its hands, and so the Universe blooms"

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But it didn't stop there,

EVERY Wave that followed the first one CREATED a New Reality, but in doing so it was destroying the same Realities/Universes that were being created because,

the Time and Reality Gems separated from the rest of the Gems one nanosecond after the FIRST Wave was released, so the resulting Realities/Universes were created without the stable Concept of Time, damaging the fabric of Reality.

The Reality Gem took Amber Hunt as a Host, and they went seeking the Time Gem, to try and stop the Nemesis Waves before they started by manipulating Time and Reality together.

"Each New Wave CREATED another New Reality"

They reach Warstrike's Kingdom located in a Reality created by the Nemesis Wave.

"Is this all that is left of the World?" ... "Only in THIS Reality"

"ANOTHER Time, a DIFFERENT Reality, in the castle of Warstrike"

Warstrike's daughter had the Time Gem, and Amber and the Reality Gem were there to get it back, Amber let's them know that this Reality is unnatural.

"I've come for the Gem your daughter holds, it doesn't belong here, NOTHING belongs here"

"What do you mean NOTHING belongs here?" ... "This whole Reality is wrong"

"These Two Gems (Time-Reality) must be reunited, otherwise ALL REALITIES, including this one, will be destroyed, I have to use them to CREATE a New and stronger Reality, one whose Fabric isn't unravelling as this one is"

Originally posted by Galan007
Thanos explains exactly what the Infinity Being was, and goes on to explain the power that is now contained within the Infinity Gems:

It was ALL THAT WAS, and all that was....... was it.

No one would fault you if you were to call it GOD. What other name would fit?:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

LT said he doesn’t want Phoenix to possess any human hosts and Phoenix as stated decided to listen to him for the time being because he knew that LTs reasons were right and her power was a threat to the multiverse.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

I just noticed what this is all about, I was confused before and thought it was a typo, but it all makes sense now.

No where in that issue did Phoenix threaten the Multi-verse, Sym & Madelyn Prior (who is Jean Grey's clone) with the help of Dr Doom & Reed Richards were the ONLY threats to the Multi-verse during that story. The FULL Phoenix Force may have threatened that Alternate Reality at best.

Sym and Madelyn Prior (Jean Grey's clone) were the true threats,

They opened a Dimensional Rift between LIMBO and EARTH that caused a great UNBALANCE called the "Limbo Effect"

"Phoenix...Despite her great power, was DEFEATED by Demons, who transformed her into a mannequin in a Shop Window"

Reed Richards and Dr Doom were their lackeys, and together they built a machine that could expand the "Limbo Effect",,,, thereby granting Sym and Pryor access to the whole Multi-verse for takeover, without being interfered by anyone.

"Your Machine will be soon ready"

"In a matter of days, the Multi-verse itself will worship you"

"Same Spell which cuts this Dimension off from Intervention by OUTER Dimensional Forces"

"ALSO prevents us from attaining out Ultimate Goal, the EXTENSION of LIMBO to ALL the PLANES of the MULTI-VERSE, Richard's and Doom's MACHINE will MAGNIFY the Limbo Effect without opening us to OUTER Dimensional attack"

This was the Multiversal THREAT .... NOT Phoenix!

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This Alternate Universe was already unbalanced because of Sym & Madelyn,

"with Earth's PLANE so Unbalanced Mystically, due to it's convergence with Limbo ... it is only a matter of time before the Living Tribunal arrives"

"the Tribunal's role is to ensure the Balance of the Mystic Energies in the Multi-verse"

"even if it means Destroying our Planet, or our entire Universe"

So before that happens, Dr Strange convinces Rachel to summon the Phoenix Force in it's ENTIRETY, ("if we can summon it ALL"😉 to cleanse the Earth before LT arrives who will Destory the Earth, or the Universe if he has to to safeguard the Multi-verse.

The FULL Phoenix Force is summoned:

"the awesome Entity THAT IS the FORCE hears and responds from it's place out in the Cosmos"

Then Madelyn realizes what Rachel's doing so before the Phoenix reaches Earth, Madelyn begins to take control of the Phoenix Force aswell:


This is amusing, two Mutants MANIPULATING the FULL Phoenix Force in a psionic tug of war.

Sym is killed by Mordo after losing power fighting Strange, so Madelyn now sets her eyes on "THIS UNIVERSE" as she says, since the Multiversal takeover is now over, and ALL the power of the FULL Phoenix Force is not going to set that dream back in motion.

Madelyn gets the upper hand and takes control of the FULL Phoenix Force:

"I've got no competition for dominion over THIS Universe, for the power of the Phoenix is here and mine"

And as always, a being with the FULL power of the Phoenix Force is killed by getting stabbed once, with Wolverines claws (he sent Jean six feet under too right?)

Sym reanimated Wolverines bones (who had died) and killed Madelyn.

The Phoenix switches masters now and Rachel ends up controlling the FULL Phoenix Force, Rachel seems to instigate the Phoenix at the behest of Dr Strange,

So the Phoenix Force burned away (or purified) the Earth, leaving it in a prehistoric age, giving Humanity a second chance.

Much of Earth's population died in the process, but Rachel and Strange survived along with others.

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SO what does,

"the Phoenix knows the Tribunal WILL NOT ALLOW it to return to the Planet or a Human Host, knows that much as it loves having a Human Host, no Human can long SAFELY contain the power, and though the Phoenix feels denied, it also knows that, for the sake of the Multi-verse, it must today heed"

This Alternate Reality/Universe is in danger of a Human Host mis-using the Power of the Phoenix Force, this can lead to a Mystically Unbalanced Universe, which would threaten the Multiversal balance,

just like Strange said,

"with Earth's PLANE so Unbalanced Mystically, due to it's convergence with Limbo ... it is only a matter of time before the Living Tribunal arrives

the Tribunal's role is to ensure the Balance of the Mystic Energies in the Multi-verse,

even if it means Destroying our Planet, or our entire Universe"

So any Universe Mystically Unbalanced can threaten the Multi-verse, this is what they were referring to, NOT the Phoenix Force's power directly.

Once the Phoenix Force came into the picture in this issue, which was more than half way through, the only concern was for the Universe,

NOT the Multi-verse which was ONLY threatened by Sym's and Madelyn's Limbo Effect with help from a machine Reed and Doom built that would EXPAND the Limbo Effect across the Multi-verse.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yet again, bullshit

The selective approach you take when debating will be undone once and for all.

It took Phoenix a lot of TIME to amputate that Timeline, enough TIME that her friends were dying all around her, including Wolverine at the hands of Sublime while she was working on the "amputation"

But don't take my word for it, here is Jean in her own words:

"What's happening here is a Coordinated Disinfection, my Friends were only KEEPING YOU BUSY"

Finally, SEVEN later Phoenix amputates that Timeline.

"Eternity?"

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Eternity is the embodiment of TIME, many "timelines" within Eternity silly puddy.

There is NO mention of the 616 Universe in this issue, and there is NO mention of Eternity iether.

A major event like this would not have gone unnoticed, yet NOT one Hero or Abstract or Entity or ANYONE else from another Comic book title was involved in this drama.

In ALL the Infinity arcs EVERYONE is there, except for Phoenix.

The End series, EVERYONE is there, except for Phoenix.

HOM Wanda remaking Reality 616, EVERYONE is there, except for Phoenix, (actually Rachel was, but she was less than an insect to Wanda)

Phoenix is supposedly putting "Eternity" or the "Universe" on its death bed and NOT a single OTHER soul shows up, LOL!

and on and on...

He was talking about that specific Timeline NOT the Universe/Reality.

5funny

A void my ass, ONLY the Stars would suffer, and anything that depends on Stars to survive.

But there would still be Matter, Gases and Energy left over, including countless beings that have NO need of Stars to exist because they sustain themselves.

This isn't worth a response.

What Jean takes away is just the Sublime infection. That green sphere is Sublime. Not the future. When she looks at that green sphere and is told its the future, what is mean is that thats whats destined for the universe if she doesnt put things right. Not literally that its the future in her hand.

You just saw her take that green sphere out of Sublimes body so what on earth were u thinking? 😂

It was an alternate future of 616. Jean got rid of that future and then the comic went back to dealing with events in 616. It was the 616 universe in her hand, ive already shown the characters on panel referencing 616 events of the past, i dont need to repeat myself.

Many major X events arent referenced outside of X comics. Doesnt mean it didnt happen. Look at the M'kraan crystal incident. In Uncanny X-men which dealt with the potentially multiversal destroying chaos wave you didnt see that mentioned outside of x-men. Alot of F4 and Avengers events arent mentioned in X-men.

Your point is VOID.

As for trying to say that avatar was talking about a timeline. Nope. He was talking about what Jean had in her hand, the thing we were told was a universe.

Stop lying, you hypocritical p*ssy 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You claim that Jean actually just repaired the future, that she did nothing to the 616 universe If thats the case then can you please explain to me how repairing the future can have effects in the past?

Who ever said Jean Repaired the Future to Affect the Past?

Grant Morrison made it very clear HOW Phoenix Replaced the Future,

(by going to the Past and CHANGING Scotts's Mind about Emma)

(excerpt from the Questionnaires addressed to the Writers, last page New X-Men #155)

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Can you please show me where on the first page any mention of Jean repairing the future is stated and depicted?:

Sure mate.

Phoenix asks,

"Is this the Future?"

It tells her, "You lost concentration, Shock almost killed it" (the FUTURE)

Did she not just ask, "is this the Future?"

And was she not just responded to with, "You lost concentration, Shock almost killed it?"

NOW:

It continues to say, "Patient will die unless internal heart damage repaired"

The "Patient" is the FUTURE still at this point EVIDENTLY.

Which is why Phoenix says, "But it didn't have to END like that, my Friends didn't deserve that." (some even died),

DIDN'T DESERVE WHAT?

THIS....(the FUTURE THAT IS NOW) The events of Here Comes Tomorrow like Grant Morrison said.

WHEN Phoenix Amputated the Future it was only to DISINFECT the Future

Here Phoenix says, "Some KIND of Bacteria Colony gone rogue...I had to Amputate the whole Future"

Jean is told, "Phoenix DISINFECTION Successful"

We know that by Phoenix cutting off the Future, the Infection, which was Sublime, was destroyed,

but the EVENTS that took place, have NOT been changed.
(hence the Future THAT is NOW, is STILL, Here Comes Tomorrow)

OK NOW THIS is WHERE Jean is REPAIRING the FUTURE she damage while DISINFECTING it.

It then says,

"No, Turn around, No End yet, there, Turn, Here before always, HOSPITAL White Hot

This is ACTUALLY the process taking place of a FUTURE being Repaired,

The "the Claw" takes the Future into the "HOSPITAL, White Hot Room"

As You Can SEE, around the Pink Crystal Power is Flowing, that's Phoenix REPAIRING the FUTURE

THEN

Jean loses concentration "IN THERE" (Inside the White Hot Room) and she is reminded to "Now heal wound MAKE Better FUTURE QUICKLY"

"Heart got stuck", (Because she Wasn't concentrating) Turn (some kinda White Hot Room code word for, "keep on fixing"😉

MAKE BETTER WHAT?

FUTURE!!!

HOW can Phoenix be INSIDE the White Hot Room, while being clearly OUTSIDE it when she says, "LOST CONCENTRATION IN THERE"?

The White Hot Room, is the HEART of the Phoenix, that's HOW:

AFTER Phoenix Repairs the Future in the White Hot Room (Her Heart)

NEXT PANEL:

"Telekinetic control of all those Atoms at once isn't as easy as it sounds in training, NOT even for a White Phoenix of the Crown..."

"Telekinetic control of all those Atoms?".......

of WHAT Atoms?

The ONLY action I've seen, is A Future being Repaired.

It's actually talking about the FUTURE that was just Repaired "atom by atom"

You wanna debate then lets do it in a challenge thread. I have no time for you anymore. I can sit here for hours going back and forth smashing your points only for you to hide that fact with a barrage of reposts.

The challenge was set 2 weeks ago. You said you didnt have enough free time otherwise you'd accept it. You've been on nearly everyday since posting.

When youre ready to step up and show the forum what youre made of, then we'll handle business. Until then im gonna focus on my respect thread. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The future is taken off panel and never seen again. Where are the statements and on panel depiction pertaining to Jean performing an action SPECIFICALLY on the future?

When the Future is taken away, it's REPAIRED with in the White Hot Room or Hospital by Phoenix as I presented earlier.

THEN Phoenix is given a visualization of the Universe that Represents the FUTURE or unchanged events of Here Comes Tomorrow.

This is WHY it's a "badly wounded orphan universe"....ALOT of BAD things happened because of Sublime.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If she'd done her repairing job then why would she be urged on to the hospital to heal and grow a better future?

LIAR!!!

Jean is NEVER told "to HEAL" anything in that scan....nice try.

"if you want IT to GROW a New FUTURE to replace the one you cut away"

The Future she "cut away" is the SAME Future that is NOW (Here Comes Tomorrow)

Jean Only cut it away to DISINFECT IT, NOT to discard it (It NEVER vanished)

He also says, "And they said I was to tell you to HURRY"

Implying she can't do this AT WILL, but with in a TIME LIMIT. (Now or Never)

So what are you trying to say Mr. Master?