Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Search through the Phoenix Vs Eternity thread. Already done so. Even Lord Urizen came out of that thread admitting Phoenix is the Big Bang. You posted in that thread and yet you chose to spam and insult instead of read and analyse. I will not cater for such impudence young one. 😄
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Liar.
What are you referring to? 😕
Lord Urizen admitting Phoenix is the Big Bang?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So youre agreeing that the Phoenix Force is the energies of creation then right? 🙂
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yes. It clearly says that on panel.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/434378_17-the-phoenix-force-vs-eternity
Or you spamming the thread?
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
I wouldn't because Phoenix sucks. 😐
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/434378_3-the-phoenix-force-vs-eternity
Youre the epitomy of hypocrisy little boy. 😬
and the most biased waste of a registration a forums ever seen.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Why were you banned from Comic book resources? 😕Btw you haven't proven that the PF is the Big Bang all you did is post one pic from an FF book about Reed .
So i take it youre not gonna address the fact that you were incorrect in calling me a liar? 🙂
Id expect no less from a biased non factor.
I posted scans stating the words that the Phoenix is THE LITERAL manifestation of the Big Bang.
I have posted scans saying the firebird avatar of the Force is a flame from the Big Bang.
All in addition to Reeds comments and ones stating it to be the life force of reality.
You either completely missed these because your only purpose here is to spam, or as your oaf-like appearance suggests, your literacy skills leave alot to be desired 😱
I don't know which is worse....
GalacticStorm's obsession over the PheonixForce, or the rest of you guys having this pathetic grudge against the Pheonix just because you don't like Galacticstorm.
Pheonix Force is the big bang, or atleast the primal energy which sparked it. On panel it has been stated she is the embodyment of life, and that she was the big bang force itself.....numerous times its been stated and posted.
Dark Pheonix has also beaten top heavy hitters like Galactus, she humiliated FireLord in his foolish attempt to hunt her down, she ate a fkn star, and constantly survives the most brutal mortal damages.
She, however, as mighty as she is, is not on par with a weilder of the Infinity Gauntlet.
Dark Pheonix cannot manipulate reality on that level...she may have access to nearly limitless power and have excellent dominance in the pyshic world, but Power Gem and Mind Gem make you master of power and the mind, Reality Gem makes you the molder of reality, etc.
All of the Abstracts, Galactus included admitted that thier power is NOTHING compared to the IG.
Galactus who is not known to lie, especially about himself, admitted during the Infinity Gauntlet that his own power is nothing in comparison to the IG...
Someone who has the potential to destroy a universe, who is master of the power cosmic, and his power is nothing to the IG.....
Dark Pheonix has not destroyed a universe.
Jean Grey w Pheonix Force repaired an orphan universe according to panel evidense. Great...
But she has not created a universe.....
If Thanos can wipe out half the universe with but a thought, he can certainly create or destroy a universe with effort.
If Magus can cancel the effects of the Ultamate Nullifier which was destroying universes with the IG, then IG is shown to be on a level superior in power to the might of one single universe....
Thanos had also pawned Eternity in a matter of seconds with the IG, and took his place as new Eternity (remember, it was self defeating act, since he subconcously wanted Nebula to steal the gauntlet from his as Adam Warlock explained)
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I don't know which is worse....GalacticStorm's obsession over the PheonixForce, or the rest of you guys having this pathetic grudge against the Pheonix just because you don't like Galacticstorm.
Pheonix Force is the big bang, or atleast the primal energy which sparked it. [b]On panel
it has been stated she is the embodyment of life, and that she was the big bang force itself.....numerous times its been stated and posted.Dark Pheonix has also beaten top heavy hitters like Galactus, she humiliated FireLord in his foolish attempt to hunt her down, she ate a fkn star, and constantly survives the most brutal mortal damages.[/B]
Very true. A good start.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
She, however, as mighty as she is, is not on par with a weilder of the Infinity Gauntlet.Dark Pheonix cannot manipulate reality on that level...she may have access to nearly limitless power and have excellent dominance in the pyshic world, but Power Gem and Mind Gem make you master of power and the mind, Reality Gem makes you the molder of reality, etc.
Oh no here we go.
Why can she not manipulate reality on that scale? What makes you say that? She has already manipulated reality on a scale beyond ANYTHING the IG gas been shown to do. She manipulated the entire universe, not a part of it, not gradually over hours, she materialised the entire matter of the universe by telekinetic control of all of its atoms. That is reality manipulation on a scale beyond anything the IG has ever shown and that is concluisvely so.
In terms of sheer raw power, manipulating the entire universe at an atomic level demonstrates a power level greater than anything the IG has done.
With regards to the mind, one of the definitions of the Phoenix Force is that it is the nexus of all psionic energy in the multiverse. The Phoenix is the greatest psychic power in Marvel, the mind gem in comparison to that is nothing.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
All of the Abstracts, Galactus included admitted that thier power is [b]NOTHING compared to the IG.Galactus who is not known to lie, especially about himself, admitted during the Infinity Gauntlet that his own power is nothing in comparison to the IG...
Someone who has the potential to destroy a universe, who is master of the power cosmic, and his power is nothing to the IG..... [/B]
That point is irrelevant as Galactus' power is as nothing to alot of things these days. So Galactus power is less than the IG's what does that have to do with your argument for the IG versus Phoenix? Nothing really.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Dark Pheonix has not destroyed a universe.Jean Grey w Pheonix Force repaired an orphan universe according to panel evidense. Great...
But she has not created a universe.....
If Thanos can wipe out half the universe with but a thought, he can certainly create or destroy a universe with effort.
Dark Phoenix has destroyed reality in another universe.
Jean Grey has demonstrated feats of power which let you know that if it was her intention, then she could destroy the universe if she wanted.
This quote here makes you sound very biased and far from objective. So you can acccept that Thanos can destroy the universe because he merely wiped out half the life forms of the universe, however you cant accept the same thing about Phoenix when she manipulated all the matter of the universe in the palm of her hand. Not JUST life forms but all that is the universe down to its atoms. Think of the galaxies, the stars, the planets AND the life which she manipulated, materializing intact within the WHR. Yet Thanos wiped out half the life of the universe and so thats enough for you to say he could destroy the universe 😬
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
If Magus can cancel the effects of the Ultamate Nullifier which was destroying universes with the IG, then IG is shown to be on a level superior in power to the might of one single universe....
Thats basic logic. Thats like saying Xavier took out Phoenix in battle, so Xavier could destroy the universe. A basic analysis based on just the outcome as opposed to acknowledging other possible factors which could explain said outcome.
Magus said here he turned the weapon on its user.
For all we know all he did was affect the device itself, he couldve overrided it causing it to backfire. The equivalent of blocking the barrel of a gun. Where is it conclusively depicted that Magus used the energies of the IG to overcome those of the UN, before manipulating said energies to strike Quasar?
This is a prime example of ambiguous evidence. Its open to interpretation and as such my interpretation is just as valid as yours.
Point dismissed.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Thanos had also pawned Eternity in a matter of seconds with the IG, and took his place as new Eternity (remember, it was self defeating act, since he subconcously wanted Nebula to steal the gauntlet from his as Adam Warlock explained)
Seconds? Far from it my friend. More like minutes lol. SS and Strange had time to have a convo and teleport to see Dr Strange and Thanos still hadnt taken Eternitys role yet.
Please bear in mind it was just his Mbody as well. Phoenix dealt with the totality of the universe, of which all of these abstracts and their power are a part of.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Very true. A good start.
Thanks
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Oh no here we go.Why can she not manipulate reality on that scale? What makes you say that? She has already manipulated reality on a scale beyond ANYTHING the IG gas been shown to do. She manipulated the entire universe, not a part of it, not gradually over hours, she materialised the entire matter of the universe by telekinetic control of all of its atoms. That is reality manipulation on a scale beyond anything the IG has ever shown and that is concluisvely so.
Pheonix has manipulated reality far above what the IG itself has done its all its totality ?
Really 😱
Oh Boy ! I would LOVE to see scans of this !
Your scan provided where Jean Grey heals the Orphan Universe CLEARLY, PAINFULLY CLEARLY, states that she healed an Orphan Universe...nothing more nothing less.
No where does it say she manipulated all the atoms of that universe, nor did it imply she could create a universe with multitudes of sentient life...no where did it state that.
And manipulating atoms, is NOT the same thing as manipulating Reality..he feat was a feat of manipulating Space Not reality
PLEASE prove to me that Jean Grey manipulated Reality on a scale farther than IG has ever, and I will personally take back what I said on this point.
Also, check out the IG Respect Thread for the multiple and multiversal level feats the IG has done...then come back and talk.
Thanks
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In terms of sheer raw power, manipulating the entire universe at an atomic level demonstrates a power level greater than anything the IG has done.
Jean Grey did not manipulate the entire universe on an atomic scale ❌
The scans you provided have never confirmed that....
Secondly, IG has manipulated more than one universe.
Check out the IG REspect Thread or read Infinity War for more details. Or read the Silver Sufer/Rune Crossover....
There's so much info for you to obtain. Please use it.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
With regards to the mind, one of the definitions of the Phoenix Force is that it is the nexus of all psionic energy in the multiverse. The Phoenix is the greatest psychic power in Marvel, the mind gem in comparison to that is nothing.
Please state where it says Pheonix Force is the nexus of all psionic energy in the Multiverse....when it has been stated that the M'Kraan Crystal itself is in fact that source...
If I am wrong, then feel free to correct me.
The Mind Gem gives infinite access to the realm of the mind..that simple. The same way the Time Gem allows one to surpass Infinity, and the Space Gem allows one to surpass Eternity.
It depends who is using it and how.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
That point is irrelevant as Galactus' power is as nothing to alot of things these days. So Galactus power is less than the IG's what does that have to do with your argument for the IG versus Phoenix? Nothing really.
How is it irrelevant ? 🤨
Galactus' power is not just LESS than the IG, it's NOTHING to the IG....that's a big deal bro.
Someone who is capable of potentially destroying a universe, and his power is absolutely nothing to the IG's ?
How much more powerful is Pheonix than Galactus ? I know he's above him, but his power is not nothing compared to her own...his power is still significant against her.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dark Phoenix has destroyed reality in another universe.
Please show me the scan.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jean Grey has demonstrated feats of power which let you know that if it was her intention, then she could destroy the universe if she wanted.
So has Thanos with IG, so has Nemisis, so has Magus with IG
NEXT
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This quote here makes you sound very biased and far from objective. So you can acccept that Thanos can destroy the universe because he merely wiped out half the life forms of the universe, however you cant accept the same thing about Phoenix when she manipulated all the matter of the universe in the palm of her hand. Not JUST life forms but all that is the universe down to its atoms. Think of the galaxies, the stars, the planets AND the life which she manipulated, materializing intact within the WHR. Yet Thanos wiped out half the life of the universe and so thats enough for you to say he could destroy the universe 😬
1) Pheonix did not manipulate all atoms in the universe, never have you provided proof for that. I have read your scans, and they do not confirm this.
2) Thanos wiped out half the life in the universe with but a thought...no true effort.
Pheonix Force's entire effort must go into hurting the Universe in any way what so ever...
If Thanos with IG were to ACTUALLY TRY and put effort into his destruction, instead if toying with reality the way he did in IG, the devestation would be beyond universal.....
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats basic logic. Thats like saying Xavier took out Phoenix in battle, so Xavier could destroy the universe. A basic analysis based on just the outcome as opposed to acknowledging other possible factors which could explain said outcome.
Xavier did not defeat the Pheonix....
He helped revive Jean Grey regain possession of her mind, while the Dark Pheonix ego surfaced.
So what ?
Dark Pheonix came back, nothing was permanently solved.
The Infinity Gauntlet reversed the effect of the multiversal-destroying Ultamate Nullifier.....
That clearly puts IG above Ultamate Nullifier
Hence...
IG > Ultamate Nullifer > Multiverse
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
For all we know all he did was affect the device itself, he couldve overrided it causing it to backfire. The equivalent of blocking the barrel of a gun. Where is it conclusively depicted that Magus used the energies of the IG to overcome those of the UN, before manipulating said energies to strike Quasar?
When has the Ultamate Nullifier ever been known to backfire, or ever been known to "malfunction"
That's pathetic reasoning, but I'm not surprised you'd come up with that in this argument.
👇
Check the IG Respect Thread for details, your question here will be answered.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Seconds? Far from it my friend. More like minutes lol. SS and Strange had time to have a convo and teleport to see Dr Strange and Thanos still hadnt taken Eternitys role yet.
It took about 3 pages for Thanos to take Eternity's place....probably an estimated several minutes for Thanos to take out Eternity
How long would it take for Pheonix to defeat Eternity, hmmm... ? 😖hifty:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Please bear in mind it was just his Mbody as well. Phoenix dealt with the totality of the universe, of which all of these abstracts and their power are a part of.
How hard did Pheonix struggle against Eternity's totality ? And please state where this occured.
How do you know all the Abstract's powers were present, and not only Eternity's own ?
Thanos took Eternity's TOTALITY, his place, after he defeated him....it took him 3 pages to do it....
And GUESS WHAT ???
Once Nebula stole the IG she returned Thanos' being from being the Universe BACK into being his original body !
So much for IG vs "Eternity"
IG AGAIN beats the embodyment of the Universe in this time less than a fkn second.....
Then Nebula, as fragile as she was, simply froze that entire Cosmic Heirarchy, including Eternity and Mistress Death.....
I have yet to see Pheonix Force stalemate Eternity and Mistress Death, in fact I have seen the Pheonix Force get manipulated by Onslaught...oh wowwwww
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Thanks
Youre welcome 🙂
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Pheonix has manipulated reality far above what the IG itself has done its all its totality ?Really 😱
Oh Boy ! I would [b]LOVE
to see scans of this !Your scan provided where Jean Grey heals the Orphan Universe CLEARLY, PAINFULLY CLEARLY, states that she healed an Orphan Universe...nothing more nothing less.
No where does it say she manipulated all the atoms of that universe, nor did it imply she could create a universe with multitudes of sentient life...no where did it state that.
And manipulating atoms, is NOT the same thing as manipulating Reality..he feat was a feat of manipulating Space Not reality
PLEASE prove to me that Jean Grey manipulated Reality on a scale farther than IG has ever, and I will personally take back what I said on this point.[/B]
Jean is told to heal the universe in the white hot room. Jean walks in there empty handed. She then holds out her hand and over the panels what we’re later told is the universe slowly forms in her hand while the Phoenix Consciousness gives her words of caution about how the TELEKINETIC CONTROL OF ALL OF THOSE ATOMS, isn’t as easy as it seems in training. Despite the warning Jean materializes the universe in the WHR with no discernible strain, ready for healing, which she would later go on to do through altering the past.
Jean materialized the 616 universe within the WHR for treatment via telekinetic manipulation of its atoms.
She never messed around with little Mbodys, she dealt with the universe itself, which those little Mbodys are just parts of.
I love how you insist on referring to the universe as the “orphan universe” instead of just the universe or 616 as if that somehow demeans her feat lol. We all know its 616 as shown so you’re wasting your time.
Reality manipulation is just the manipulation of that which makes up reality for a desired affect. Some warpers are limited to that which is within their immediate vicinity, some global, some potentially universal and beyond. Jean manipulated all that is reality within the palm of her hand. A greater feat of power than the IG has ever shown.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Also, check out the IG Respect Thread for the multiple and multiversal level feats the IG has done...then come back and talk.Thanks
No multiversal feats at all. Magus CLAIMED to be able to merge the two universes into one. As he was chatting an artistic depiction was shown for readers:
MetamorphosING
Energy levels up in the target dimension, ALTERATIONS IN MY OWN:
That first scan was just visualization contrary to what certain debaters would have you believe. It wasn’t a depiction of the event happening there and then. Just a representation of Magus’ plans, that is all. Hence why the transformation was still just in progress on the page AFTER your so called evidence as Xavier felt. TWO PAGES AFTER Xaviers comments Galactus talks of the subject and says how energy levels were up in Magus’ dimension and alterations were occurring to 616. Your so called evidence is conclusively just an artistic depiction of Magus’ plans. Magus started his plans, but then got interrupted by Warlock and Thanos, before getting stomped by Eternity/Infinity.
The IG has no multiversal feats.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Jean Grey did not manipulate the entire universe on an atomic scale ❌The scans you provided have never confirmed that....
Indeed they did as I have illustrated to you many a time.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Secondly, IG has manipulated [b]more than one universe.Check out the IG REspect Thread or read Infinity War for more details. Or read the Silver Sufer/Rune Crossover....
There's so much info for you to obtain. Please use it. [/B]
I’m well versed on the IG and as opposed to just admiring the pretty artwork, I actually analyze what is said and shown which makes a misinterpretation a lot less probable than many others on here it would seem.
Take Magus’ supposed on panel merger of the two universes. Didn’t happen. It was begun, but he was interrupted. The fact that the processes initiation could be felt by Xavier and then later on Galactus shows it wouldn’t have been instantaneous anyway. That’s analysis for you. You just swallowed what you were told by a biased poster as opposed to taking the time out to work out what was going on yourself.
As for Nemesis in the Ultraforce crossover, she never destroyed two universes; she unleashed a reality warp across two universes. The two were left largely intact except for chunks of matter she took from both which she then used to make her own universe
At the end of Avengers Ultraforce, with just a superficial analysis of what was stated, you would be forgiven for believing that she destroyed two universes. In fact that’s exactly what the statement alludes to. However it was creative energy she unleashed. She wasn’t destroying, she was remaking.
By reading the next issue titled Ultraforce Avengers, you found out that she never actually remade both universes as the finishing statement of the last issue lead us to believe. Her reality warp spread across both universes and she plucked elements from both to create a pocket universe of her own, just a few thousand miles across and a few metres deep
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Please state where it says Pheonix Force is the nexus of all psionic energy in the Multiverse....when it has been stated that the M'Kraan Crystal itself is in fact that source...If I am wrong, then feel free to correct me.
Ive been trying to get hold of the issue that apparently states this for a loooong time. Havent been able to find out what it is so I cant argue that point admittedly.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
The Mind Gem gives infinite access to the realm of the mind..that simple. The same way the Time Gem allows one to surpass Infinity, and the Space Gem allows one to surpass Eternity.It depends who is using it and how.
Phoenix has performed greater psychic feats and has shown an ability to cut away at the very substance of time itself. Her abilities in those areas surpass the IGs as far as we’ve seen.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
How is it [b]irrelevant ? 🤨Galactus' power is not just LESS than the IG, it's NOTHING to the IG....that's a big deal bro.
Someone who is capable of potentially destroying a universe, and his power is absolutely nothing to the IG's ?
How much more powerful is Pheonix than Galactus ? I know he's above him, but his power is not nothing compared to her own...his power is still significant against her. [/B]
Its irrelevant what Galactus thinks about the IG because he also acknowledges Phoenix as a far greater power than his own. Plus on panel she has feats that trump them both. That’s all it comes down to.