Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So has Thanos with IG, so has Nemisis, so has Magus with IG[b]NEXT
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You said Thanos has performed feats which let you know that if he wanted to he could destroy the universe. I basically said so has Phoenix. Why you have replied with this I do not know.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
1) Pheonix did not manipulate all atoms in the universe, never have you provided proof for that. I have read your scans, and they do not confirm this.2) Thanos wiped out half the life in the universe with but a thought...no true effort.
Pheonix Force's entire effort must go into hurting the Universe in any way what so ever...
If Thanos with IG were to ACTUALLY TRY and put effort into his destruction, instead if toying with reality the way he did in IG, the devestation would be beyond universal.....
1) Yes she did and as such has a greater feat than anything the IG has ever done
2) Big deal. Just by disconnecting with reality, the stars started to fade out and that would have been followed by all life according to the cosmics.
By manifesting a consciousness in reality, Phoenix started using up the life energy of the universe, shortening the cycle and preventing future generations from existing.
Phoenix manipulated all the matter of the universe right down to its atoms in seconds. Killing half the life of the universe in comparison to that is lame.
In light of that what do you mean her entire effort must go into hurting the universe? That’s clearly not true.
If Phoenix was trying she could easily obliterate reality, so your point is void.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenThe Infinity Gauntlet reversed the effect of the multiversal-destroying Ultamate Nullifier.....
That clearly puts IG above Ultamate Nullifier
Hence...
IG > Ultamate Nullifer > Multiverse
The UN has never destroyed or remade the multiverse directly. Its actions saw that INDIRECTLY the damage that Abraxas did across the multiverse never happened. That’s a big difference. Nowhere in continuity has the UN been said to be able to destroy the entire multiverse just like that.
Its ALWAYS been stated to be universal. That one scene with Reed is open to interpretation, however given that that scene can be interpreted as being universal, given the established continuity for the UN and the fact that Marvel online and in their handbooks say its universal, then the UN is conclusively universal.
Youre just clinging to that multiversal idea because you believe it makes the IG look stronger.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
When has the Ultamate Nullifier ever been known to backfire, or ever been known to "malfunction"That's pathetic reasoning, but I'm not surprised you'd come up with that in this argument.
👇Check the IG Respect Thread for details, your question here will be answered.
When has someone ever been shown to stand up to the power of the UN? They hadn’t before that moment but that doesn’t mean its ridiculous that it did happen.
Magus said he turned the weapon on Quasar. He NEVER said he overpowered the UNs energies and redirected them at him. It can understandably be interpreted that he affected the weapon itself and not its energies; therefore as the scene is ambiguous, without a conclusive on panel statement verifying your OPINION you cannot claim that to be the truth and act as it is.
So not only is the UN declared to be universal by Marvel, but this scene with Quasar is open to interpretation so you cant use it as proof of the Igs superior destructive power over the UN. I bet the same feat could be achieved by wrecking the device internally with telekinesis lol
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
It took about 3 pages for Thanos to take Eternity's place....probably an estimated several minutes for Thanos to take out EternityHow long would it take for Pheonix to defeat Eternity, hmmm... ? 😖hifty:
Phoenix cut off the future in seconds like it was nothing.
Eternity is the embodiment of everything along the timeline, so its like she just hacked away at his very essence without giving him a second thought. If she didn’t feel guilty and healed the wound she caused by growing a replacement future, Eternity would have died.
The fate of one reality to the White Crown Phoenix is nothing, which is why the other avatars were saying they wouldn’t bother fixing it, they’d just let it die.
If Phoenix wanted to defeat Eternity she could just cut the hell out of the timeline.
Phoenix could withdraw its energies from reality, leaving a void.
Or Phoenix could breakdown all the universe down to its atoms and scatter them.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
How hard did Pheonix struggle against Eternity's totality ? And please state where this occured.How do you know all the Abstract's powers were present, and not only Eternity's own ?
Thanos took Eternity's [b]TOTALITY
, his place, after he defeated him....it took him 3 pages to do it.... [/B]
What do you mean? You know where it occurred. Its stated plain as day that she had telekinetic control of all of the universe down to its atoms. That Mbody that Thanos defeated was just the representation of the totality. Phoenix dealt with the totality, no second rate representations.
You really are confused aren’t you? Lol
The abstracts powers come from the universe. They are a part of the universe, so all their power is a part of its sum.
Phoenix manipulated all the matter of reality down to its atoms, that includes the ambient energies, galaxies, the stars all of it. To do so she would have to have wielded more power than that which was contained within the universe otherwise she couldn’t have done it. She did it.
Thanos merely took Eternitys role and became one with the universe. The universe that Phoenix manipulated in her hand like putty.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
And [b]GUESS WHAT ???Once Nebula stole the IG she returned Thanos' being from being the Universe BACK into being his original body !
So much for IG vs "Eternity"
IG AGAIN beats the embodyment of the Universe in this time less than a fkn second.....
Then Nebula, as fragile as she was, simply froze that entire Cosmic Heirarchy, including Eternity and Mistress Death.....
I have yet to see Pheonix Force stalemate Eternity and Mistress Death, in fact I have seen the Pheonix Force get manipulated by Onslaught...oh wowwwww [/B]
What does any of this matter. Youre continually listing all of these feats over and over but don’t you realize that unless you can direct me to one which is greater than Phoenixes then youre wasting your time.
Beating an Mbody of the universe, and beating down the abstracts is nothing compared to manipulating all that is the universe within the palm of her hand. The power demonstrated there is far higher.
Once again, whats greater, beating all the heroes and forces of earth and becoming one with the planet, or telekinetically breaking down the planet right down to its atoms and materializing it elsewhere intact. What do you think required more power and is becoming one with the planet impressive when said planet can be manipulated like putty in the other powers hands?
As for Onslaught defeating the Phoenix Force. It never happened. He defeated Jean Grey and crushed an astral image of the Phoenix.
Once again read and analyze comics yourself. Don’t just swallow what someone’s telling you is happening in a set of carefully selected scans.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You said Thanos has performed feats which let you know that if he wanted to he could destroy the universe. I basically said so has Phoenix. Why you have replied with this I do not know.
1) Yes she did and as such has a greater feat than anything the IG has ever done
IG>PF
Thanos wins this with a gesture.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
2) Big deal. Just by disconnecting with reality, the stars started to fade out and that would have been followed by all life according to the cosmics.
"disconnecting with reality?"
Wow, you always know how to run circles around the fact.
Phoenix was being KILLED by Galactus, this was causing the Stars to go out, because the Phoenix Force in it's Natural State is the sustenance of the Stars.
Galactus also PERMITTED the Phoenix Force to survive.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
By manifesting a consciousness in reality, Phoenix started using up the life energy of the universe, shortening the cycle and preventing future generations from existing.
Again, bullshit
Phoenix was NOT using up the "life energy of the Universe, shortening the cycle"
You completely MADE THAT UP ...
"you tap into a source of near limitless potential, you who denies existence to generations of the future"
Phoenix absorbs energy from the life force of LIVING BEINGS that have not been born yet, this has NOTHING to do with the Universe's life energy or it's cycle.
Nice try.
That's your style son, you mix a fact with your bullshit and present it as a package, that way even the Comic savvy fall prey to your garbage.
I guess you know the saying, "the best LIES include Half Truths"
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix manipulated all the matter of the universe right down to its atoms in seconds.
hysterical
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The UN has never destroyed or remade the multiverse directly. Its actions saw that INDIRECTLY the damage that Abraxas did across the multiverse never happened. That’s a big difference. Nowhere in continuity has the UN been said to be able to destroy the entire multiverse just like that.Its ALWAYS been stated to be universal. That one scene with Reed is open to interpretation, however given that that scene can be interpreted as being universal, given the established continuity for the UN and the fact that Marvel online and in their handbooks say its universal, then the UN is conclusively universal.
Youre just clinging to that multiversal idea because you believe it makes the IG look stronger.
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Here Reed says "our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.
Here Nova says "creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself" again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.
Finally what does this lead to?
Reed says,
"In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was."
What was MISALIGNED that NEEDED to be REALIGNED?
The MULTI-VERSE!
So what needed to "END" as Reed clearly says?
The MULTI-VERSE!
Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & Remake the Multiverse
UN Remakes the Multiverse in an instant
Is the UN capable of this?
"Should Abraxas reach the NULLIFIER, He CAN OBLITERATE ALL the COMBINED REALITIES of the MULTI-VERSE"
thankyou
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
When has someone ever been shown to stand up to the power of the UN? They hadn’t before that moment but that doesn’t mean its ridiculous that it did happen.Magus said he turned the weapon on Quasar. He NEVER said he overpowered the UNs energies and redirected them at him. It can understandably be interpreted that he affected the weapon itself and not its energies; therefore as the scene is ambiguous, without a conclusive on panel statement verifying your OPINION you cannot claim that to be the truth and act as it is.
Gibberish.
Magus with an INCOMPLETE IG owned the POWER of the UN, period.
Only you would have the audacity to vainly challenge this FACT.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
but this scene with Quasar is open to interpretation
Only to you and no one else.
Everyone around here excepts what is On Panel:
Quasar directed ALL the power of the Ultimate Nullifier at Magus alone
Quasar was actually able to set it off, the same device Reed wiped out and remade the Multiverse with.
Magus controlled those energies and negated Quasar with them, Absolute control..
Notice how they engulf Quasar evenly.
"With a Thought, I turn the Universe's most devastating weapon upon it's bearer"
Get your biased yip yap out of here.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
so you cant use it as proof of the Igs superior destructive power over the UN.
Yes we can, and we will continue to do so.
Rachel was gonna stomp Galactus, she even punked Nova and launched her into Galactus knocking him back, however she was scared of the damage to her friends and planet that such a battle would cause, so she selflessly gave herself up to his demands.
BIG DIFFERENCE
Galactus was only separating the Force from Rachel. That is all. So your line about him permitting the Force to survive is BULL.
As for the other point. Phoenix was using up life energy stopping future generations from existing. We were told earlier that the Force is the expression of the universal life force so if shes using that all up what do you thinks gonna happen?
As for the UN stuff. My point still stands. The damage that Abraxas may have caused may have been multiversal, that doesnt mean that the UN directly wiped out the entire multiverse.
By wiping out Abraxas, everything he did would have been wiped out to. Its understandable why you have interpreted it the way you have, but all you have is amiguous comments from Reed. I can gain my interpretation from that same comic, plus i can refer to established continuity about the UN AND Marvel handbooks and the official site which verify my interpretation.
In light of that as far as debates are concerned your interpretation is INVALID.
My previous post about the UN and the IG still stands.
Nowhere is your claim stated. All Magus says is that he turned the Un against the IG.
It isnt stated he overpowered its energies and redirected them as you would have people believe.
Nowhere is your interpretation artistically depicted either.
In fact one could say its CONTRADICTED because you dont see the UN wrapped in an energy field. There is no external illustration of Magus' manipulation of the UN.
What does that tell us? It happened internally.
All you see is the UNS energies envelop Quasar.
Easily interpreted as Magus merely affected the device itself.
Could be achieved through telekinesis. NO BIG DEAL. 😂
You wanna debate Phoenix? Lets take it to a challenge thread.
Stop wimping out of a one on one citing lack of free time as a reason only to post in these non restricted Phoenix threads nearly every day of the week 🙄
Im gonna go focus on my respect thread. You can stay here and be a p*ssy spamming the thread with your unsupported opinion. 😮
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix cut off the future in seconds like it was nothing.
Yet again, bullshit
The selective approach you take when debating will be undone once and for all.
It took Phoenix a lot of TIME to amputate that Timeline, enough TIME that her friends were dying all around her, including Wolverine at the hands of Sublime while she was working on the "amputation"
But don't take my word for it, here is Jean in her own words:
"What's happening here is a Coordinated Disinfection, my Friends were only KEEPING YOU BUSY"
Finally, SEVEN later Phoenix amputates that Timeline.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Eternity is the embodiment of everything along the timeline, so its like she just hacked away at his very essence without giving him a second thought. If she didn’t feel guilty and healed the wound she caused by growing a replacement future, Eternity would have died.
"Eternity?"
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Eternity is the embodiment of TIME, many "timelines" within Eternity silly puddy.
There is NO mention of the 616 Universe in this issue, and there is NO mention of Eternity iether.
A major event like this would not have gone unnoticed, yet NOT one Hero or Abstract or Entity or ANYONE else from another Comic book title was involved in this drama.
In ALL the Infinity arcs EVERYONE is there, except for Phoenix.
The End series, EVERYONE is there, except for Phoenix.
HOM Wanda remaking Reality 616, EVERYONE is there, except for Phoenix, (actually Rachel was, but she was less than an insect to Wanda)
Phoenix is supposedly putting "Eternity" or the "Universe" on its death bed and NOT a single OTHER soul shows up, LOL!
and on and on...
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The fate of one reality to the White Crown Phoenix is nothing, which is why the other avatars were saying they wouldn’t bother fixing it, they’d just let it die.
He was talking about that specific Timeline NOT the Universe/Reality.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If Phoenix wanted to defeat Eternity she could just cut the hell out of the timeline.
5funny
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix could withdraw its energies from reality, leaving a void.
A void my ass, ONLY the Stars would suffer, and anything that depends on Stars to survive.
But there would still be Matter, Gases and Energy left over, including countless beings that have NO need of Stars to exist because they sustain themselves.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Or Phoenix could breakdown all the universe down to its atoms and scatter them.
This isn't worth a response.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You wanna debate Phoenix? Lets take it to a challenge thread.Stop wimping out of a one on one citing lack of free time as a reason only to post in these non restricted Phoenix threads nearly every day of the week 🙄
Im gonna go focus on my respect thread. You can stay here and be a p*ssy spamming the thread with your unsupported opinion.
I don't need the approval of your hand picked judges to confirm the ASS WHIPPING I be giving you.
I'll handle you right here and now.
