Originally posted by Ext@nt
No he posted the truth and showed scans and explained them. No matter what you do no one on here will listen to you and while you were away we had a few annoying people reported and banned and if you insist on spamming with the same nonsesne over and over the same can happen to you.
You again presume to speak for everyone. Its just you Mr Master and his other handful of cronies that share your view. Please understand that 🙂
Originally posted by Ext@nt
No its the vast majority of the forums. Only the Phoenix Fanboys support you. The rest ignore your nonsense for what it is.
Speak for yourself. I am not a Phoenix fanboy, and I won't ignore something GS posts unless I read it and examine it first. Ignoring someone because they have a bad reputation is stupid.
I take what people say one post at a time. If they are right I accept it. If they are wrong I don't. Just because someone has been wrong, doesn't mean they are always wrong.
All you ever do Ext@nt is restate what Mr. Master says.
You have some issues if you spend so much time bashing someone on a forum.
Originally posted by Ext@nt
No its the vast majority of the forums. Only the Phoenix Fanboys support you. The rest ignore your nonsense for what it is.
Damn dude, chill lol. You talk as if you have some kind of personal vendetta--even worse, an i-net vendetta for that matter. Also, speaking for everyone, or this site, is the biggest fowl display of condecension and elitism heresy; I dont care how much you claim to know abotu comics, that kind of attitude is not taken kindly anywhere. Plus, dont you think its rather moronic and hypocritical that you claim post after post that this GS dude only gets acknowledgment from phoenix fanboys or no-nothing noobs on here--when in contradiction, you are obviously replying to every post he makes? Does spending all of your time just to damage or state his rep has fallen off, prove a point? If he angers you that much, why dont you simply ignore him?
ok now you guys are getting thoroughly out of hand...i mean its 8 pages and only about 3 or 4 is actual debating and this is not a PF vs Wanda thead..now...not that i wanna add more fuel to the flames here but as ive read ALL the HOM and ALL the Decimation follow ups..I have also come to the conclusion that the Chaos wave emanated from Wanda...cuz otherwise where else would it come from? not unless there was some sort of bullshit where she drew too much energy from IDK..the "Chaos Dimension" or something, and couldnt control it. which i wouldnt put pass marvel writers as of late.
the important thing to take into account here is the fact that all the things she did was real....she brought gwen stacy back to life and had peter knock her up and that was real..she created two kids of her own out out of nowhere, she brought back haweye to life, she created Layla as a deus Ex machina, all of which was real..this was reality warping of the highest order..and the spillover of energy that keeps being brought up is nothing more than it spilling over into the multiverse, that roma was trying to prevent cuz as in her words "it would end exitence as we know it."..
this is interseting to me cuz i remember the old school Alan Moore Cap. Britain where when mad jim jasper basically did the same thing wanda did...excpet his was a wave of anti matter or anti reality, or some dumb shit like that and it was wiping out everything in Earth-238 and threatening all the cosmos..and some dude that had usurped Saturnyne's position just adjusted some crystals on a console and destroyed 238 completely to avoid it spilling over into other universes...leaving the original fury as that universes sole survivor...
now back to Meggan and her merry band of mutants..from what i saw, all she did was seal the breach in reality that would lead to the other universes by growing to what seemed like giant sized and no doubt employed her elemental abilties to do something to the energy..its not like it was stopped with the wave of a hand or something..
also as i understand it the premise of this thread was if wanda had conscious control of the chaos wave, not the wave as it were in HOm running wildy out of control... the same way jim jaspers had control of his antimatter/anti reality wave...which would make her near unbeatable...that is unless if she was facing off against someone equal to or greater than her in power...thats why on the list on page 1 she would only take out Galactus and Molecule Man...and she would stalemate the PF.
incidentally The fury beat Jim Jaspers by carrying him to an un-universe, where there was no reality for him to warp then zapped his brain..only someone who is omnipotent could do that to Wanda, if she had full control of the wave.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanos never showed any sign of getting the TOAA's Authority.Beyonder had all the power that existed between 1984 and 86, after that the New Universe was introduced in November 1986, and Beyonder went from everything Outside the Multi-verse, to ONE Infinite Universe.
Beyonder had the Power of ONE Multi-verse, Millions of times over.
TOAA has increased his once ONE Multi-verse to an INFINITE number of Multi-verses, that's MORE than Millions, MORE than Billions, MORE than any number you can think of.
Your speculatting and without evidence, the evidence points to a Molucule Man that was quite close to the Beyonder in Power.
When Beyonder and Molecule Man battled, Molecule Man almost had a chance of winning
Beyonder speaking, "You had a CHANCE, it's Unbelievable that you did"
Molecule Man lost, but that doesn't sound to me like "less than a millionth piece"
"a millionth piece" would have been BLINKED away.
Also, When Beyonder releases ALL of his Power that should have ERASED the ONE Marvel Multi-verse:
Reed knows if they kill the Beyonder baby, it will wipe out the Multi-verse.
"The Power contained in that Device is the Power of the Beyonder"
"If that Energy is Loosed, it could DESTROY EVERYTHING, EVERYWHERE in One blinding white flash"Molecule Man kills the helpless baby Beyonder turned himself into
The Beyonder's Energy is released
"The child screams...and the END begins"Just like Reed said "one blinding white flash"
How?
Molecule Man SAVED the Multi-verse
So AGAIN, Now Molecule Man was able to DIVERT the Beyonder's Power (which should have incinerated Everything) into the Portal that lead to the Beyond Realm.
Uni-verse: One reality
Multi-verse: "More than one reality" (2-infinity)
Omni-verse: all realities
If the Multi-verse is made up of infinity universes, it would equal the Omni-verse.
Infinity (Multiverse) >< Infinity (Omniverse)
Infinity >< Infinity ~ Infinity = Infinity
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Back to Beyonder:
Beyonder is everything in the Multi-verse.
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderisrealitydw2.jpg
- He is the Living Tribunal, he is Eternity, he is Death ect.
Beyonder is everything outside the Multi-verse (Beryond-realm).
Blank pages.
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondspacetime2pq7.jpg
The Beyond-realm was greater than an infinity amount of infinity universes.
So it can be bellow or above the size of the Omniverse.
But as I see it: Multi-verse + Beyond-realm = Omniverse
Millions of times all the power in the Multi-verse, combinded.
http://img431.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondermillionsofxmorepowerfu.jpg
And there isnt a Living Tribunal for each Multi-verse correct?
This is just because Molecule man was present in the Multi-verse all the time Beyonder was.
http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=buni3oe1.jpg
Beyonder under limitations were slight more powerful then Molecule man.
You can't estimate how much power he was supressing.
http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderimposinglimitsqn6.jpg
But to be able shatter the entire time-stream, to unmake the dawn of time, unmake the history of Marvel. -- Now that's a "God-only" feature.
http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondercouldshatterthetimestreamzx6.jpg
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUtechnically the omniverse is the DC Multiverse combined with the Marvel Multiverse........ Marvel only has its own Multiverse, not an Omniverse, just like DC, so your omniverse comparisons wont work
Again:
Uni - one
Multi - "more than one"
Omni - all
verse - reality/-iesUni-verse: One reality
Multi-verse: "More than one reality" (2-infinity)
Omni-verse: all realitiesIf the Multi-verse is made up of infinity universes, it would equal the Omni-verse.
Infinity (Multiverse) >< Infinity (Omniverse)
Infinity >< Infinity ~ Infinity = Infinity[/url]
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUWhere the hell did you get out of that scan that he was all of those abstracts? that scan dosent say anything close to that.... Your not fooling anyone
Back to Beyonder:Beyonder is everything in the Multi-verse.
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderisrealitydw2.jpg
- He is the Living Tribunal, he is Eternity, he is Death ect.[/url]
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUNo, the Beyonders power met no resistance in the Infinite Beyond realm 😉. Where did you get your quote?
The Beyond-realm was greater than an infinity amount of infinity universes.
So it can be bellow or above the size of the Omniverse.[/url]
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUDo you realize that this scan isnt even from the same issue where beyonder fought molecule man? You would have known that if you would have read SW II for yourself....... Molecule Man's power was very close to the Beyonders' when they battled
Beyonder under limitations were slight more powerful then Molecule man.
You can't estimate how much power he was supressing.
http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderimposinglimitsqn6.jpg
Originally posted by Galan777
technically the omniverse is the DC Multiverse combined with the Marvel Multiverse........ Marvel only has its own Multiverse, not an Omniverse, just like DC, so your omniverse comparisons wont work
Actually Marvel has an Omni-verse that has nothing to do with DC.
That's Wikipedia confusing people on that one.
All your other points are solid.
I won't respond again to T on that matter, he's developed a one track mind about the Beyonder.
The Omni-verse is all the Multi-verses in Marvel.
The Omniversal Tribune can Erase any Universe they want.
"Destroy an ENTIRE Universe, are you people insane"?
"an ENTIRE Universe OBLITERATED in an Instant"
"In ALL the OMNI-VERSE there is NOT ONE Universe that I cannot DESTROY at the Touch of a Switch"
This is from Marvel Comics.
Originally posted by Mr MasterMy bad, I didnt realize that there was an Omniverse within Marvel comics itself 😮
Actually Marvel has an Omni-verse that has nothing to do with DC.That's Wikipedia confusing people on that one.
All your other points are solid.
I won't respond again to T on that matter, he's developed a one track mind about the Beyonder.
The Omni-verse is all the Multi-verses in Marvel.
The Omniversal Tribune can Erase any Universe they want.
"Destroy an ENTIRE Universe, are you people insane"?
"an ENTIRE Universe OBLITERATED in an Instant"
"In ALL the OMNI-VERSE there is NOT ONE Universe that I cannot DESTROY at the Touch of a Switch"
This is from Marvel Comics.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually Marvel has an Omni-verse that has nothing to do with DC.That's Wikipedia confusing people on that one.
All your other points are solid.
I won't respond again to T on that matter, he's developed a one track mind about the Beyonder.
The Omni-verse is all the Multi-verses in Marvel.
The Omniversal Tribune can Erase any Universe they want.
"Destroy an ENTIRE Universe, are you people insane"?
"an ENTIRE Universe OBLITERATED in an Instant"
"In ALL the OMNI-VERSE there is NOT ONE Universe that I cannot DESTROY at the Touch of a Switch"
This is from Marvel Comics.
ironically, these are the exact scans from the cap britan graphic novel...the guy had to do that becuase of jim jasper's wave
Originally posted by manjaro
ironically, these are the exact scans from the cap britan graphic novel...the guy had to do that becuase of jim jasper's wave
I believe it was the Jim Jasper's Warp.
And for your information, Jaspers of 238 was a JOKE, in comparison with Jaspers of 616.
And guess what, the Nullifier was NOT going to stop 616 Jim Jaspers.
Merlin says, "I stretched your sanity to the breaking point to prepare you for a Universe (238) Reduced to Idiocy" the Omniversal Tribune Erased 238.
Merlin says about Cap. Britain, "I sent you to a lesser menace (Jaspers 238) and you were Killed"
"Merlin says, "You cannot fail, this version of Japers is too powerful, too dangerous"
They had to destroy the entire 238 Universe in order to kill 238 Jaspers, but 616 Jaspers is "NOT so easily contained, and if he's not stopped, the OMNI-VERSE will fall into Chaos, and a NEW GOD shall play dice with Matter"
Only the Fury, which was indestructible and created by Jaspers Himself, after absorbing a Computer the size of a Cave, was able to kill Jim
The FURY realizes "Jim can Alter reality at Whim, what if, there were NO Reality to Altar"
So the FURY, teleport both Jaspers and itself to UN-SPACE
The Result
The FURY lasted long enough in a battle with Mad Jim, because it was designed by him to ADAPT to any situation, besides the fact that it was indestructible.
After a long fight, the FURY killed Jim but was weakend by Jaspers, Captain Britain and company took advantage and killed the weakened FURY.
what do you mean for my information? that sounded a little smarmy to me😄 i have read the entirety of that novel...and i thought that when i stated eariler that 238 was destroyed by that omniversal cousnelor guy and the fury was the sole survivor, it was implied that jaspers went along with it.....the point was jaspers created an anti reality wave that functioned eeriely simliar to wanda's Chaos wave and as a result the other world gang had to step in an destroy the universe before all that is was consumed..it was to show just how signifanct Wanda's threat to existence was
