The Twi'lek he had fought had not been the first Jedi he had crossed lightsabers with, but he was not far from having that honor. It had been exhilarating to know that he, Darth Maul, was better in combat than his hated foes. He longed to battle one of the truly great Jedi warriors: Plo Koon, perhaps, or Mace Windu. - C19, ShadowHunter.
He also makes note of his saber skills (Schien), unarmed (Teras Kasi) skills and admires him as a warrior.
Originally posted by kamikz
Are you putting him that high because of that quote? And that quote in TPM takes Qui-Gon as high as ON PAR with Mace Windu, which is to the least as good as that quote puts Plo.
How does "He longed to battle one of the truly great Jedi warriors: Plo Koon, perhaps, or Mace Windu" put Plo on par with Windu? It says he longed to fight good warriors, and he took examples of people he had heard off. Doesn't mean they are equals.
And since when was Maul a credible source? I bet Obi-Wan who spends his entire life with these characters knows better than him...
And if he rivals Mace he is close to him in power, and being "THE best swordsman" Dooku had seen is good to.....
Originally posted by kamikz
How does "He longed to battle one of the truly great Jedi warriors: Plo Koon, perhaps, or Mace Windu" put Plo on par with Windu? It says he longed to fight good warriors, and he took examples of people he had heard off. Doesn't mean they are equals.
And since when was Maul a credible source? I bet Obi-Wan who spends his entire life with these characters knows better than him...And if he rivals Mace he is close to him in power, and being "THE best swordsman" Dooku had seen is good to.....
He longed to battle one of the truly great Jedi warriors: Plo Koon, perhaps, or Mace Windu."
He just takes them as examples, it doesn't say they are the only ones. If he indeed listed the mightiest then Yoda would be on the list no doubt.
And I still don't get why you say Plo>Qui-Gon like it is a fact, Qui-Gon has been stated to be "one of the best swordsmen the order has", "The Greatest by Dooku" (Sorry, I can't remember what source at the moment, if I can I'll tell you tomorrow, promise), and "rivals Mace Windu". I think that is enough to put him as one of the highest jedi warriors in the order by TPM. Now where is anything like that said about Plo? Again, one of the truly great warriors was just using Plo or Mace as examples, he could have dragged up half the Council if he wanted to, and Hero doesn't necessarily mean fighting skills nor does it have to mean he is better than anyone else in that war....
Late here, gotta go to sleep. Bye.
He longed to battle one of the truly great Jedi warriors: Plo Koon, perhaps, or Mace Windu."
He just takes them as examples, it doesn't say they are the only ones. If he indeed listed the mightiest then Yoda would be on the list no doubt.
And I still don't get why you say Plo>Qui-Gon like it is a fact, Qui-Gon has been stated to be "one of the best swordsmen the order has", "The Greatest by Dooku" (Sorry, I can't remember what source at the moment, if I can I'll tell you tomorrow, promise), and "rivals Mace Windu". I think that is enough to put him as one of the highest jedi warriors in the order by TPM. Now where is anything like that said about Plo? Again, one of the truly great warriors was just using Plo or Mace as examples, he could have dragged up half the Council if he wanted to, and Hero doesn't necessarily mean fighting skills nor does it have to mean he is better than anyone else in that war....
Darth Maul desired to show his prowess and his skill against warriors like Plo Koon and Mace Windu. Maul is a very physical Sith, he wants to fight and by admiring two mentioned above, he acknowledges that they're also very martial and powerful. Now, there is not many fighting Jedi out there. Most of the Jedi Council during this time are not martial. Qui-Gon Jinn is a famous Jedi, well known throughout the galaxy. It's hard to say why Maul didn't say "to fight against Mace Windu and Qui-Gon Jinn" instead of "to fight against Plo Koon and Qui-Gon Jinn". I mean, yes, Plo Koon is famous for his heroics, but nevertheless Qui-Gon is just as popular. Maul must have admird him for a reason, because he's a master of the lightsaber and the Force. However, he didn't desire to fight Qui-Gon because he considered every other Jedi weak and pitiful. In addition, he didn't know about Yoda's power because no living Jedi during this time ever saw Yoda fight fight.
Here's what Star Wars Databank says about Plo Koon:
The Force runs strongly in Plo Koon's family; he was a descendent of a long line of Jedi. He shared a long history with fellow Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn, and the two have fought beside each other in battle. Koon had hoped to see his friend join the Jedi Council, but Jinn's maverick views kept him from ascending to that position.
Plo Koon was a Kel Dor from the planet Dorin. His physiology was such that he wore protective goggles and his face-concealing antiox mask whenever in oxygen-rich environments. As a Dorin, Koon naturally possessed highly developed extrasensory organs that supplement his already formidable Jedi attributes.Koon was more martial a Jedi than most. Kel Dor natives have a reputation for seeing moral issues in black and white, with clear distinctions between right and wrong. As such, Koon often took decisive action with little contemplation. This initiative served him well during the Stark Hyperspace Wars, when he took up the Republic banner after a great Jedi Master was killed. Koon rallied the disheartened troops to an unlikely and miraculous victory.
It clearly says Plo Koon is more martial, thus he uses more agressive negotiations that anything.
During the uprising on Yinchorri, Koon manipulated the Force to create a Dust storm to cloak his fellow Jedi from the enemies. In addition, he is a known user of the Electric Judgement technique. This showns Plo is a master of a more martial type of the Force.
Originally posted by kamikz
He longed to battle one of the truly great Jedi warriors: Plo Koon, perhaps, or Mace Windu."
He just takes them as examples, it doesn't say they are the only ones. If he indeed listed the mightiest then Yoda would be on the list no doubt.
And I still don't get why you say Plo>Qui-Gon like it is a fact, Qui-Gon has been stated to be "one of the best swordsmen the order has", "The Greatest by Dooku" (Sorry, I can't remember what source at the moment, if I can I'll tell you tomorrow, promise), and "rivals Mace Windu". I think that is enough to put him as one of the highest jedi warriors in the order by TPM. Now where is anything like that said about Plo? Again, one of the truly great warriors was just using Plo or Mace as examples, he could have dragged up half the Council if he wanted to, and Hero doesn't necessarily mean fighting skills nor does it have to mean he is better than anyone else in that war....Late here, gotta go to sleep. Bye.
Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Darth Maul desired to show his prowess and his skill against warriors like Plo Koon and Mace Windu. Maul is a very physical Sith, he wants to fight and by admiring two mentioned above, he acknowledges that they're also very martial and powerful. Now, there is not many fighting Jedi out there. Most of the Jedi Council during this time are not martial. Qui-Gon Jinn is a famous Jedi, well known throughout the galaxy. It's hard to say why Maul didn't say "to fight against Mace Windu and Qui-Gon Jinn" instead of "to fight against Plo Koon and Qui-Gon Jinn". I mean, yes, Plo Koon is famous for his heroics, but nevertheless Qui-Gon is just as popular. Maul must have admird him for a reason, because he's a master of the lightsaber and the Force. However, he didn't desire to fight Qui-Gon because he considered every other Jedi weak and pitiful. In addition, he didn't know about Yoda's power because no living Jedi during this time ever saw Yoda fight fight.Here's what Star Wars Databank says about Plo Koon:
It clearly says Plo Koon is more martial, thus he uses more agressive negotiations that anything.
During the uprising on Yinchorri, Koon manipulated the Force to create a Dust storm to cloak his fellow Jedi from the enemies. In addition, he is a known user of the Electric Judgement technique. This showns Plo is a master of a more martial type of the Force.
So what you guys are saying is that because Maul mentioned he wanted to fight Plo (because he admired him) that means he is above Qui-Gon? How??? He was stated to be "ONE of the greatest fighters" not "above anyone but Mace Windu". I don't get how you automatically reach the conclusion that he is a better warrior than Qui-Gon...
And maybe Maul had never heard as much about Qui-Gon, or maybe he thought he was old since Qui-Gon had already left his prime. And of course there were jedi who knew how Yoda fought, they have sparred with him....
Dooku considered Qui-Gon to be damn good, one of the best he had seen, while Obi-Wan remarks his incredible swordsmanship and power. Why do you put Plo above him because Maul, someone who could only have heard about rumours (and there are many more rumors about Plo and Mace than there is about Qui-Gon) mentioned Mace and Plo. (He did not say those were the only good jedi). And again, Maul could have liked Plo because he was agressive not negotiative, he solved things through combat. That could be what he wanted, that could be why he admired him....
He was clearly up there however, the very least you can get from that statement is that Maul viewed him as a better warrior than Anoon Bondara, and Anoon Bondara was noted by some to be the finest swordsman of the order, so that's got to count for something, though to assume that Plo was above Jinn and others just from that statement is pretty silly to say the least.