Let's talk about Sodom and Gomorrha.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Homosexuality isn't a choice, and it does occur in nature. It might be aberrant, but it is natural.

Yeah, homosexuality is a choice for us human beings. And remember as I stated before, evil exists apart from mankind. Due to Adam's sin, the entire earth -- including plants and animals were given to Lucifer(or evil) to have dominion over. The system that we're under now is an evil one, and Lucifer himself is defined as the "God of this age."

So the death, sexual perversion, as well as other evil things seen within the animal kingdom are due to the influence of this evil system created by Lucifer. Remember, before Adam's sin - there was no death on earth, and all animals were herbivores. After Adam's sin and the fall came the whole "survival of the fittest" doctrine/death were imposed upon mankind and nature. These evil things were obviously instilled upon us by Lucifer, as the "survival of the fittest" doctrine as well as death are his modus operandi - not God's.

Fortunately, God was merciful on man once again, and instilled an inherent fear of mankind within the animal kingdom, so as not to have man completely destroyed by this evil system.

Most of what I just summarized can be found within the books of "Adam of Eve." I've included a link to translated version of it below:

http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/freebook/adameve/adamevetoc.html

There are two books to it. If you choose to read them, I advise you to do so with a grain of salt and a lot of prayer - as I don't believe the description of the events is a completely accurate in some areas, which is probably why the books weren't included in modern translations of the bible. However, the books still have much merit to them - as I believe they were at one point included within the original Torah along with the book of Enoch, and the book of Enoch is a book that is referenced to within the book of Jude. Enoch is a good read, and it fills in a lot of gaps between the books of Adam and Eve and Noah's time. A translated version of the original text can be found at the following site:

http://www.altheim.com/lit/enoch.html

Thats a specualtion, and your opinion because there is not a single (credible) evidence which suggests hat homosexuality is choice.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Thats a specualtion, and your opinion because there is not a single (credible) evidence which suggests hat homosexuality is choice.

Even if it was their is no proof to say that its immoral.

Thundar has no evidence to support his claims

Originally posted by Thundar
Yeah, homosexuality is a choice for us human beings.

Remember, before Adam's sin - there was no death on earth, and all animals were herbivores.

Genesis 9:1-3

Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

Originally posted by Thundar
Yeah, homosexuality is a choice for us human beings. And remember as I stated before, evil exists apart from mankind. Due to Adam's sin, the entire earth -- including plants and animals were given to Lucifer(or evil) to have dominion over. The system that we're under now is an evil one, and Lucifer himself is defined as the "God of this age."

So the death, sexual perversion, as well as other evil things seen within the animal kingdom are due to the influence of this evil system created by Lucifer. Remember, before Adam's sin - there was no death on earth, and all animals were herbivores. After Adam's sin and the fall came the whole "survival of the fittest" doctrine/death were imposed upon mankind and nature. These evil things were obviously instilled upon us by Lucifer, as the "survival of the fittest" doctrine as well as death are his modus operandi - not God's.

Fortunately, God was merciful on man once again, and instilled an inherent fear of mankind within the animal kingdom, so as not to have man completely destroyed by this evil system.

Most of what I just summarized can be found within the books of "Adam of Eve." I've included a link to translated version of it below:

http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/freebook/adameve/adamevetoc.html

There are two books to it. If you choose to read them, I advise you to do so with a grain of salt and a lot of prayer - as I don't believe the description of the events is a completely accurate in some areas, which is probably why the books weren't included in modern translations of the bible. However, the books still have much merit to them - as I believe they were at one point included within the original Torah along with the book of Enoch, and the book of Enoch is a book that is referenced to within the book of Jude. Enoch is a good read, and it fills in a lot of gaps between the books of Adam and Eve and Noah's time. A translated version of the original text can be found at the following site:

http://www.altheim.com/lit/enoch.html

WOW WHOB YOUR STUPID 😆

Originally posted by FeceMan
Pursuing a homosexual lifestyle? Yes. Being attracted to people of the same sex? No.

I don't think they were.

Genesis 9:1-3

Originally posted by TRH
There was an essay at Berlin University which said that homosexuality was not a choice

Originally posted by FeceMan
Thank God that there was some essay at some university that said something.

😆

Oh yes, that confirms it !

Originally posted by FeceMan
Thank God that there was some essay at some university that said something.

Originally posted by TRH
what are you tying to say?

An essay is support, but it does not prove anything.

I being a bisexual myself, however, know i never chose my sexuality 🙂

Originally posted by FeceMan
Pursuing a homosexual lifestyle? Yes. Being attracted to people of the same sex? No.

Being attracted to killing, stealing, sexual perversion, or any other form of sin is considered evil. And being attracted to evil is definitely wrong, regardless of what form of evil it is.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I don't think they were.

Genesis 9:1-3

This is really bad and complete misuse and misinterpretation of God's word. God's command to Noah had nothing to do with what existed pre- Adam's original fall from grace, and sin as well as death was only imposed upon mankind after Adam's disobedience.

God even states himself that death and/or "Satan" would be imposed upon man, if he engaged in willful disobedience to God.

Genesis 2:16-17) – And the LORD God commanded the man saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

In addition, the apostle Paul later goes on to support God's above statement of Adam's sin being responsable for death and/or Satan having reign over man:

Romans 5:17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.

Satan was only given reign over man after the fall, which is why it was present during the times of Noah as well as to this very day.

Christ's sacrifice ended Satan's reign over man, and began the "son of man's" reign over death - as all we as gave those men who serve Christ reign over death as well. Still, God has always had reign over death/Satan, which is why he commanded Noah to take whatever life of the animals he wanted, as well as instilled once again an inherent fear of man within the animal kingdom to protect Noah and his family after the flood. This fear of man was probably removed before the animals entered the ark, as it would have been difficult for Noah to gather the animals to obey him and enter the ark if they were still instilled with a fear of him.

Anyway, the scripture you provided in no way insinuates that God was responsable for death before or after Noah's time, nor does it in anyway justify an evil attraction such as homosexuality -- as not being sinful.
I sincerely hope that you pray to God about being able to fully understand this issue correctly, as your interpretation of it is very unbiblical -- and can get you into an extremely dangerous spiritual territory later on if not corrected.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
An essay is support, but it does not prove anything.

I being a bisexual myself, however, know i never chose my sexuality 🙂

Originally posted by TRH
I did not mean that I meant like a press conference when they Announce discoveries

I know, i was being sarcastic

Originally posted by Thundar
Being attracted to killing, stealing, sexual perversion, or any other form of sin is considered evil. And being attracted to evil is definitely wrong, regardless of what form of evil it is.

What about Ignorance and Bigotry ? 😬

Originally posted by Thundar
Being attracted to killing, stealing, sexual perversion, or any other form of sin is considered evil. And being attracted to evil is definitely wrong, regardless of what form of evil it is.

This is really bad and complete misuse and misinterpretation of God's word.

Spare me the lecture on Christ's role--I'm quite familiar with it.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Um...being attracted to evil is a product of the Fall. Not a cause.

Wtf? That's no such thing. God, it's like I'm dealing with yusagi again. At least when I say that someone's misusing God's word, I can back it up. All I said was that animals weren't all herbivorous before the Flood.

No one insinuated otherwise Feceman. You know better. The statement was made about how death(or Satan) was only given authority over man after Adam's disobedience. This in no way gives the implication that death/Satan wasn't present before the Flood.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Spare me the lecture on Christ's role--I'm quite familiar with it.

You are mistaken if you think that my intention is to just prove you incorrect and lecture you. My intention was to assist you along the path, which is something as a Christian myself -- I would want others to do for me if I was misguided about a particular verse or scripture.

That being stated, your intepretation of this issue of homosexuality not being evil is a very incorrect one -- and again, I sincerely hope that some of what I've posted has assisted you in understanding how dangerous such a position can be.

Originally posted by Thundar
You are mistaken if you think that my intention is to just prove you incorrect and lecture you. My intention was to assist you along the path, which is something as a Christian myself -- I would want others to do for me if I was misguided about a particular verse or scripture.

That being stated, your intepretation of this issue of homosexuality not being evil is a very incorrect one -- and again, I sincerely hope that some of what I've posted has assisted you in understanding how dangerous such a position can be.

So let me guess....your intepretation of the Bible are correct while Feceman's is not ?

OH, here we go again 🙄

The Bible claims that "God is not the Author of Confusion", yet the Bible is the most confusing book ever written. Even Christians fight over the text....

That must mean the Bible is INVALID 👇

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So let me guess....your intepretation of the Bible are [b]correct while Feceman's is not ?

OH, here we go again 🙄

The Bible claims that "God is not the Author of Confusion", yet the Bible is the most confusing book ever written. Even Christians fight over the text....

That must mean the Bible is INVALID 👇 [/B]

Or god is hiding the truth. 🙄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Or god is hiding the truth. 🙄

I can't believe I actually used to be like them....beleiving the Bible was absolute truth with no actual proof, regardless of the fact that I knew in the back of my mind that the Bible often contradicted reason and reality.