Originally posted by Metalmanx
Really, dude. I understand what you're saying, and I LOVE that you're bringing math and logic into this, but it's just that it's a bit flawed. For one, that tree is 3-4 feet in diameter at the most.1 ton is a lot. 5 tons is obviously much more. I don't see that tree being anywhere near 30 tons (60,000 lbs).
A legal, fully-loaded 18-wheeler's max weight is 40 tons (80,000 lbs.). A regulation-sized bus is anywhere between 9.5-10 tons (19,000-20,000 lbs). I just can't see that tree, even being as big as it is (looks to be about 55-60 feet long), weighing even as much as a bus and coming nowhere near an 18-wheeler. Otherwise, an 18-wheeler couldn't transport as many large logs at once like it does.
And honestly, I never denied that Ult. Cap isn't hardcore. Cuz he is. In fact, I think he beats a lot of street levelers. But I just feel that Spider-Man is in another league, able to pretty much hand Cap his ass. He's far superior to Cap in every single category except for fighting skills. But when you're abilities far outshine your opponent's, you don't need to have amazing fighting skills.
Spider-Man wins 7/10.
I'm not saying that Ultimate Captain America wins this fight, Metalman. Look back to my original post, I gave Spidey the majority. I'm just pointing out (and proving, really) that the tree was quit a bit more than 5 tons. The eighteen wheelers, for one, rarely carry logs that are wider than a man. They usually carry FAR more smaller logs. Also, it isn't uncommon for a loaded eighteen wheeler to be twice (or more) the weight of an unloaded one. They can haul many times their own weight - that is why they are efficient.
Besides that, you said that the tree was 3-4 feet? Well, in my calculations, I assumed that the tree was only about 4.5. I don't see how the six inch discrepancy has gotten you so riled up, 😉.
And fact is, I used (sound) logic and mathematics to show that the tree WOULD have weighed around that. Hell, sequoias really can weigh THOUSANDS of tons. That wood adds up! And as a tree gets larger, it actually becomes DENSER. Regardless of whether YOU think the idea of a thirty thousand ton tree is logical, it is. Quod Erat Demonstrandum. 😉.
Anywho, none of that is really the point in the thread. Like I said at the start of this post - I agree that Spiderman will take a majority. But not due to VASTLY superior strength; rather due to VASTLY superior speed, and the fact that Ultimate Captain America has no idea how Spiderman fights or acts. Not to mention the lax skills compared to his 616 counterpart.
Ultimate Cap won't be winning...but he isn't getting a fist shoved through his chest, and he isn't being radically overpowered by Spidey's strength. It's all about his speed.
