616 spider-man vs ult cap

Started by OneDumbG04 pages

I still can't believe how people believe Spidey is above Ult. Cap in strength or durability. Simply amazing. This just flat out ignores everything Ult. Cap has done and endured. Strength-wise, read Soljer's calculations. That's pressing strength. How about leaping ability? Ult. Cap jumps what looks to be around fifty feet in the air in Ultimates #12 when he crashes a jet into Herr Kleiser. Strength without leverage? He throws off Liberator footsoldiers in Ultimates Vol 2 #12, the very same Liberator footsoldiers who toppled the friggin Statue of Liberty on their own. Those f()ckers were strong and they were literally blowing right through Giant-men.

Durability wise? He's jumped out of a helicopter 600 feet from the air into water without so much as a pause. I'd like someone to throw Spiderman out of a helicopter from 600 feet high and see how he deals with it. This just gives more credence to the quote from Ultimates #1 where Bucky comments how Ult. Cap thinks parachutes are for sissies. He really did not have a parachute and was going to jump out, had his plans not changed in that raid. Then lets not forget how Ult. Cap continues to take full blown shots from 100 tonners straight on. Can Spidey take a full blown double fist pound from even Thing? F()ck no.

How about his insane healing ability? Yeah he gets f'ed up in fights but remember in Ultimates Vol 2 #9 where SHIELD attacks him? He gets hit with half a pint of tetradotoxin. Tetradotoxin is a real poison found in blowfish and a single milligram placed on the head of a pin kills a fullgrown man. Source from this website: http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/ttx/ttx.htm. He gets up in the 15 seconds Fury scolds him and proceeds to stomp everyone's a$$. Half a pint is 240 times 1 milligram.

I sometimes feel like people just refuse to see Ult. Cap is truly this strong because they're used to 616 Cap who can do all sorts of great stuff without the strength. Either that, or they're just completely ignorant. Ult. Cap is far above Spidey in strength and durability. I think its an undue assumption to say he's outclassed in agility also. He runs through and leaps through hails of bullets just like good ole Cap. He runs up steel girders Matrix-style and walljumpkicks people in the face. Personally, I haven't seen anything that makes me believe he's only peakhuman agility. He might not be Spidey-level agility since I consider his to be nearly top-classed in that department, but he isn't supremely outclassed either.

Besides, we've seen what 616 Cap can do to Spidey at peakhuman agility. 3 solid hits to one nick on the face? Apparently superhuman agility doesn't truly determine every fight when it comes to pure skill.

And that's the only caveat. Ult. Cap appears to be more of a tactician and man-up macho fighter who half the time trades blows and half the time fights maliciously quick and dirty. 616 Cap is a 'always finds a way' master H2H combatant who continues to fight people who completely outclass him stat-wise with pure skill. However, it would be a similarly bad assumption to conclude Ult. Cap's fighting skills are far below Cap's or even Spidey's. Guy's got martial art moves and acrobatics in his fights. As far as I can tell, Ult. Cap's only poor showing was against Ult. Nightowl in a straightup brawl in what appaeared to be a fight written for pure humor. That could certainly say a lot, but I have no idea how strong Ult. Nightowl was or how good a fighter he was. If anything, I'd chalk up the fight to Ult. Cap underestimating his opponent and just going man up against him to be macho.

That's his one true weakness. He mans up sometimes instead of using strategy when he wants to stomp someone. Spidey could take advantage of that. In fact, he might use his good ole humor to make Ult. Cap lose his cool. That's why I say that even though Ult. Cap is way up there in strength and durability, those advantages only offset his cocky attitude and bring him back on even-keel with good ole 616 Cap.

Ult. Cap 7/10

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Unfortunately, I'm not. 😬

I love Cap, both 616 and Ult., but Spidey is just in another league.

And I really wouldn't, no matter how strong Ult. Cap appears to be, put him anywhere near the 10-15 ton range. The only strength feat he has is that tree. If he were that strong, he'd be tossing cars around and literally knocking Hulk hundreds of feet away with each punch.

Ult Cap's strength and durability combined with 616's skill and shield?

Yeah. He could get a majority off of Spidey.

Originally posted by Soljer
Ult Cap's strength and durability combined with 616's skill and shield?

Yeah. He could get a majority off of Spidey.

I don't see it. Ult. Cap is 5 tonner...10 tonner at the most. Spider-Man is still a 20+ tonner, who is faster and far more agile than Cap. Also has better reflexes, spider-sense, durability, etc.

Enemies have broken their hands when punching Spider-Man. Scorpion (who is stronger than Spidey) nearly broke his hands when punch Spidey in the gut several times. Same goes for other instances of durability. They're all in the Spidey respect thread if you'd like to find them.

616 Cap is highly skilled and has the superior shield. Ult. Cap is stronger, faster, and more durable. Together, they would make a highly-powerful character. And even still, Spider-Man would be able to beat him.

Until I see Ult. Cap perform some of the strength feats of Spider-Man, I count that tree thing as a random high-end feat.

Ult. Cap is no were as strong as 616 Spiderman.

Heck that tree catch doesn't even out-due 616 Cap feats.