Originally posted by AllianceLol, Hitler had vision. Vision does not lead to a person being better in any way. Muhammad made mistakes in pursuit of his vision, else the middle east would be a more calm and peaceful area, it is not.
Muhammad certainly had vision. Much more than Christ.That makes him better in many respects, imo.
Originally posted by Alliance?
I never said it did
Originally posted by Alliance Muhammad certainly had vision. Much more than Christ.
That makes him better in many respects, imo.
Originally posted by Alliance
I said (meant) I liked men with vision better with men without.Its a personal thing, likes and dislikes.
Originally posted by Alliance
Muhammad certainly had vision. Much more than Christ.That makes him better in many respects, imo.
I think that pretty well states that:
1. Muhammad is not absolutely better than Christ
2. This is my opinon.
Originally posted by Regret
If you meant liked men with vision better than men with out, that works, but it doesn't necessarily make him better. I also disagree with your assessment of the level of their visions.
Ok.
Originally posted by lord xyzActually, if you read Christ's words, the words that people actually state he said, he comes across very much as a philosopher. Only the narative surrounding his words changes the perception, the same as Muhammad.
Actually, there is a difference between Muhammed and Jesus. Muhammed was a philosopher, Jesus, was not. And that is the difference.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
No Jesus and Muhammad were not alike. They were totally different.The only alikeness between Islam and Christianity however, is the fairy tale.
Both religions consist of some sadistic deity who will torture you slowly and painfully for the rest of eternity.
But the differance between the Prophets are great, and basic ones are rather obvious.
First one is that Jesus tried to change the already existing laws of a religion (Judaism) into something more hippie like, while Muhammad tried to incorporate everything about Pagan Arabian religion, plus himself as a leader.
Some other differances include -
Muhammad lead raids and battles, while Jesus didn't.
Also Muhammad was recorded in the holy books(Hadith), by Muslims themselves to be a paedo, while Jesus was not recorded to be a paedo.
Muhammad was recorded, by Muslims, in holy book to have tortured and killed, while Jesus was not recorded to have tortured and killed.
Muhammad was recorded by Muslims and historians to have been a warlord, while Jesus was not recorded to be a warlord.
etc...etc...etc...
They are generally very different anyway - not sure why we're comparing them to begin with?
While I do not agree with anything Muhammad did, said, nor do I agree with his existance, that does not however prove devinity of Jesus.
In fact, Muhammad had nothing to do with Jesus...provided that is what you were trying to prove.
No Jesus and Muhammad were not alike. They were totally different.
This is very true. Jesus is God, God the Son, the Creator.
The only alikeness between Islam and Christianity however, is the fairy tale.
There is nothing fictional about Jesus Christ and the Bible. Jesus Christ is the true God and eternal Life.
Both religions consist of some sadistic deity who will torture you slowly and painfully for the rest of eternity.
There is nothing sadistic about God. God is Love and He so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. If you go to Hell and ultimately the lake of fire for eternity it will be by your own choosing.
But the differance between the Prophets are great, and basic ones are rather obvious.
Jesus is more than a Prophet, He is God in the flesh.
First one is that Jesus tried to change the already existing laws of a religion (Judaism) into something more hippie like, while Muhammad tried to incorporate everything about Pagan Arabian religion, plus himself as a leader.
Jesus said that He came to seek and to save that which was lost (i.e. all of sinful humanity is lost without Christ) and to fulfill the law of Moses, not change it into something hippie-like. This is your unfounded characterization.
Some other differances include -
Muhammad lead raids and battles, while Jesus didn't.
Jesus came to give His life a ransom for many so that we could be reunited with God our true Father.
Also Muhammad was recorded in the holy books(Hadith), by Muslims themselves to be a paedo, while Jesus was not recorded to be a paedo.
Jesus left the glories of Heaven and His throne in Heaven in the volume of the Book that is written of Him to do His Father's will. The Father's will is that all should come to repentance and salvation from sin and receive everlasting life, not everlasting punishment.
Muhammad was recorded, by Muslims, in holy book to have tortured and killed, while Jesus was not recorded to have tortured and killed.
Judas, one of Jesus' disciples, sought opportunity to betray Jesus so he went to the chief priests. Upon receiving thirty pieces of silver in exchange for Jesus' whereabouts, Judas led a detachment of troops, officers from the chief priests and Pharisees to where Jesus and His disciples were. Judas and his cohorts had come there with lanterns, torches, and weapons. Simon Peter, one of Jesus' foremost disciples, drew his sword and struck the high priest's servant and cut off his right ear. Immediately, Jesus commanded Peter to put his sword in its sheath. The servant's name was Malchus. Jesus touched Malchus' ear and healed him.
In another instance Jesus had steadfastly set His face to go to Jerusalem and sent messengers ahead to a village of the Samaritans to prepare for Him. But the Samaritan people did not receive Jesus because His face was set for the journey to Jerusalem. The disciples James and John saw this and asked Jesus if He wanted them to command fire to come down from Heaven and consume them. Here is what Jesus said and did:
Luke 9:55
But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of.
So, yes, Jesus went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. Moreover, Jesus had compassion on multitudes of people and He ministered to them, healed them, comforted them, fed them, delivered them from demon possession, and even raised them from the dead.
Muhammad was recorded by Muslims and historians to have been a warlord, while Jesus was not recorded to be a warlord.
The Lord Jesus said,
Matthew 11:28-30
"Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
The prophet Isaiah spoke this prophecy concerning Jesus hundreds of years in advance:
Isaiah 9:6-7
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of His government and peace
There will beno end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
The Lord Jesus Christ is called, Prince of Peace.
etc...etc...etc...
They are generally very different anyway - not sure why we're comparing them to begin with?
I am doing this comparative analysis of Jesus Christ and Muhammad (i.e. Mohammed) so that people can make as informed a decision as possible, whomever they choose to follow. Jesus said the following words:
John 8:12
Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”
John 12:35
Then Jesus said to them, “A little while longer the light is with you. Walk while you have the light, lest darkness overtake you; he who walks in darkness does not know where he is going.
So Jesus is the Light of the world, and those who follow Jesus Christ will not walk in darkness.
While I do not agree with anything Muhammad did, said, nor do I agree with his existance, that does not however prove devinity of Jesus.
In fact, Muhammad had nothing to do with Jesus...provided that is what you were trying to prove.
Jesus said,
John 10:17-18
“Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”
Jesus proved His divinity by the things that He did and said. Jesus Christ forgave sins while on earth, received worship, walked on water, rebuked the wind and raging water (and they obeyed Him). In addition to all of this, Jesus Christ rose from the dead.
Originally posted by lord xyz
When I first saw the thread title, I thought it was a good thread comparing how Jesus is no different to Muhammed and other prophets. Then I saw "by JesusIsAlive" so I knew it was going to be another thread full of lies and made up shit that only makes sense to JIA.
I have never lied or made up anything in over 2000 posts.
Why don't you provide specific examples of the things whereof you accuse me so that I can address those allegations, instead of making blanket, unsubstantiated statements about me?
Show me what you claim that I have lied about, and show me what I have made up.
Originally posted by Fatima
i think you must be objective in choosing these sites , you take site from christians view in islam i know the result before i read it ,thats unfaire.take info from this site
islamreligion.com
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Show me what is unfair about it. If you cannot show me then your claims are baseless and without merit.
The bias is unfair, I showed you in pretty good detail why chick tracts lacked merit and how there sources were not all too great and you basically said you believe it regardless so theres not much I can do about that.
Originally posted by lord xyz
7 deadly sinsPride
(Wrath)
Gluttony
Greed
[b]Anger
Lust
Envy
Laziness
[/B]
There is no such thing as 7 deadly sins. Here is what the Bible calls them:
Proverbs 6:16-19
These six things the LORD hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination
to Him:
A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who sows discord among brethren.
Xyz, neither anger nor wrath is included in the seven things that God calls an abomination (Incidentally, God calls these things an abomination not deadly sins). So where did anger and wrath come from in you list?
Originally posted by Fishy
Yes i'm not really going to read all of that, because i've seen your previous posts. Those sites you listed are still wrong though and like xyz posted anger is a sin, so Jesus did sin... Perhaps you should reply to those things instead of just isolating the one thing and spouting out a lot of propoganda...Those sites lied and apparently don't even know the bible well, so really why should we listen to them?
Support your allegations with specific instances. Show me how and/or in what way that those links lied, don't just make glib remarks that have no basis in truth.
Originally posted by ThePittman
JIA get over it, Wrath is anger and that is it. Wrath is an older term for extreme anger but it still means anger most referred to God and not man.
I never disputed that wrath and anger are somewhat synonymous. But that is not the issue. Xyz has presented a list of what he calls 7 deadly sins. There is no such thing. But anger by, of, and in itself is not a sin. What a person does while angry is what determines whether their anger is just and unjust (i.e. sinful).
Originally posted by lord xyz
I decided to click the first link. Oh, how wrong it is.Now anyone with a sensible mind will know that this is not only lying, but doing so to desperately make Jesus look like a good person, make Jesus and the Bible to be true, and worse of all, shunning Islam (which last time I checked is a form of racism).
Have a nice day.
What about the quotes in that post? What about the 7 deadly sins? They clearly state Anger to be sinful.
I decided to click the first link. Oh, how wrong it is.
How so? You seem to be very proficient at making accusations but you are terrible at substantiating them.
Now anyone with a sensible mind will know that this is not only lying, but doing so to desperately make Jesus look like a good person, make Jesus and the Bible to be true, and worse of all, shunning Islam (which last time I checked is a form of racism).
There are many people on this forum with sensible minds (I am one of them) and we have yet to see you substantiate your allegations that the links have provided false information (i.e. that the creators of those respective links have lied). Last time that you checked? What did you check, what reference, what source? Shunning Islam is not a form of racism. I shun a lot of things including religions but I am not racist. I make discriminations about many things as well but that does not mean that I am racist. Again, I will be waiting for you to support your baseless accusations.
Have a nice day.
I will have a nice day and I hope that you do as well.
What about the quotes in that post? What about the 7 deadly sins? They clearly state Anger to be sinful.
What about those quotes? They are just that but there is no validity or merit behind those quotes. They certainly did not come from the Bible. I don't care what you say, the Bible does not call anger a sin, it is what a person does while angry that constitutes a sin.