Wolverine's Foes versus Spiderman's Foes

Originally posted by capt it up
why would'nt wendigo be in on this? he is a wolverine rogue

Ignorance:

Originally posted by masterbruce
Top 5 foes of the 2 heroes face each other in a battle for villainous supremacy. Each team has 1 hour prep and the battle takes place in the middle of NYC.

Spidey Squad: Venom, Green Goblin, Lizard, Doctor Octopus, and Rhino

versus

Wolvie Squad: Sabretooth, Omega Red, Silver Samurai, Lady Deathstrike and Cyber

Originally posted by Soljer
Ignorance:

omega red wins it for his team

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spidey has also fought Namor, Hulk, Thing, etc...etc. They've fought a lot of the same villians.

And I'd wager to say that "common thug in a scorpion suit" would thrash Wolverine. 😐

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Oh, this should be good. You want to use every enemy they've faced?

Spider-man's opponents:

-SUPERMAN
-Morlun
-Juggernaut
-Hulk
-Thor
-Namor
-FANTASTIC FOUR
-SILVER SURFER

Should I continue?

wolverine's faced:
thanos
silver srufer
lobo
juggernaught
hulk wendigo
mauvais-wendigo
namor
the dark riders
venom (both versions)
magneto
the x-men
blah blah blah

this is gonna get you... oh that's right no-where.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Actually, no. I did not know that you are laughing at my comments. Good to know I'm still making people laugh.

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And this was a super-powered Hulk. Hulk never touched him in this fight.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spider-Man outsmarted Juggernaut. Wolverine has NEVER, EVER posed a threat to Juggy.

to the second comment.. uh.. yeah... it's friggin juggernaught...

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spidey also managed to kill Morlun with his dying breaths, using abilities he never had before.

exactly....

Originally posted by Metalmanx
When did Morlun EVER face Wolverine? Morlun would destroy Wolverine.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spidey has DEFEATED Namor.

without plot devices out the ass?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Superman's strength returned rather quickly.

you realize weakened supes isn't a great argument right?
batman's beat up a weakened supes... see where that gets us.. yup.. no where.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Thor has had his ass kicked by Spidey before, until he started to use his actual Thunder God powers. Doesn't change the fact they've fought before.

masterson thor?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spidey has fought the Fantastic Four twice and pretty much beat them (basically) both times.

the first time they where holding back like crazy and confused as to who spiderman was so they didn't want to hurt the fella.. he also didnt' beat them.. he just kinda bounded around. showed off and hightailed it when they got serious... human torch has put spiderman on the recieving end of a humiliating ass beating by himself.. same with the thing... you actually trying to say spiderman's beaten the FF IS laughable.. in a very sad way...

I mean damn, what was doc strange thinking when he made the new FF go try and take in the FF-classic... he should have just done away with hulk, ghost rider and wolverine altogether and just sent in spidey.. 🙄

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And yes, he's fought Silver Surfer before. A couple of times in fact. He even defeated him when he was taken over by Carnage, which makes him more powerful.

🤨

no he hasn't.. he's bum-rushed an off balanced surfer off a building (hint: surfer isn't known for close quarter combat skills.. much like a certain other herold of glactus)

and the symbiote thing.. PLEASE.. surfer was fighting against the symbiotes influence the entire time, and at one point starts encouraging spidey to hit him.. it has hardly a fight.. had it BEEN a fight, it would have ended like all the other times spidey fights a symbiote in h2h... BADLY for spiderman...

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I don't think I even need to bring in Hydro-Man, Absorbing Man, Sandman, Mysterio, Electro, etc...

Originally posted by Metalmanx
So, you can laugh if you want, but Spider-Man's rogues are far more powerful.

more powerful than magneto? uhhh no.

It's a good job the most fearsome of all Spider-man villains was left of this list... Fancy Dan!

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's a good job the most fearsome of all Spider-man villains was left of this list... Fancy Dan!

Originally posted by jinzin
LOL... seriously.. that guys probably second only to big wheel.. or ox.. those are the REAL bruisers..

He was a master of judo! A black belt even.

Originally posted by Newjak
Easily is hard to say since his arms can be cut off easily enough.

Goblin is tough but not unbeatable since most of his weapons are useless against the other team.

Rhino wil go down in one swipe. Listen the entire team on Wolverine's side has unbreakable weapons that are admantium or close to it.

Hulk has been cut by adamantium before Rhino is by less durable then Hulk. I don't see why one swipe or stab to the head won't put Rhino down. Now before you say what if Rhino doesn't do that. Rhino is an idiot who likes to charge at things which is going to get him killed here.

As for the Life darin not working on the symbiote I thought as it implies it drains the life forces away from somebody so as ong as one has a life force it should effect them. Unless they have some other high energy ability to counter the attack.

Although Venom is tough he isn't some walking blob he has a physcial body that has een hit and hurt before. If he was just walking goo then yes he would be ubable to loose here but he can be hit has ben shown to be hit. In fact the Symbiote has been shown to overload with enough damage.

Secondly the fact that one person on Spidey's team dies easliy and another two are easily enough to kill with the other side being better trained at working as a team. I don't see where you guys think all this one on one stuff come from.

You can debate any number of one on one scenarios it doesn't matter all team Wolverine needs is for someone to stalemate Venom for a few minutes while the rest of his team gets totally owned which more than likely they would.

Lizard isn't nearly the threat you thnk he is. He has no armor to protect him from being cut to ribbions and no HF to save him. Ock can possibly stalemate someone if his arms aren't getting cut off but once again teamwork someone coming up from behind his head is gone.

Its no that ard to figure out guys.

Teamwork and durability against easily killable foes and not very organized.

Just a couple things I want to focus on.

1. Why are Ock's arms getting cut? For this match, are they only moving at a tenth of their speed? 🤨

2. Lizard does have a healing factor. 😐

3. Still don't see anyone (arguably Omega Red) stalemating Venom. 😬

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Just a couple things I want to focus on.

1. Why are Ock's arms getting cut? For this match, are they only moving at a tenth of their speed? 🤨

2. Lizard does have a healing factor. 😐

3. Still don't see anyone (arguably Omega Red) stalemating Venom. 😬

2. Connors only has 1 freaking arm, as Lizard 2. Uhh, coincidence?

🙂

Originally posted by jinzin
\not sure what that's proves there....
that was a more mindless hulk than hulk is when he's NOT INFECTED with that garbage....
and hulk had spidey dead to rights in that fight anyways.. probably could have killed him if not for doc samson.

spiderman outsmarted him and had to use plot devices out the ass to be even an annoyance...

to the second comment.. uh.. yeah... it's friggin juggernaught...

exactly....

you assume... that's debateable... morlun can drain the life force from spidey to contend with him.... but would he be so effective against wolverine.. I'd say that the same principles that apply with OR apply here... OR has toe to toed it with IM, colosus, 2 whole teams of x men, cable.. etc etc.. he's able to pound the crap out of them cause of his death spores but wolverine still gives him trouble.... same might apply with morlun..

without plot devices out the ass?

you realize weakened supes isn't a great argument right?
batman's beat up a weakened supes... see where that gets us.. yup.. no where.

masterson thor?

twice? when was the second time?

the first time they where holding back like crazy and confused as to who spiderman was so they didn't want to hurt the fella.. he also didnt' beat them.. he just kinda bounded around. showed off and hightailed it when they got serious... human torch has put spiderman on the recieving end of a humiliating ass beating by himself.. same with the thing... you actually trying to say spiderman's beaten the FF IS laughable.. in a very sad way...

I mean damn, what was doc strange thinking when he made the new FF go try and take in the FF-classic... he should have just done away with hulk, ghost rider and wolverine altogether and just sent in spidey.. 🙄

🤨

no he hasn't.. he's bum-rushed an off balanced surfer off a building (hint: surfer isn't known for close quarter combat skills.. much like a certain other herold of glactus)

and the symbiote thing.. PLEASE.. surfer was fighting against the symbiotes influence the entire time, and at one point starts encouraging spidey to hit him.. it has hardly a fight.. had it BEEN a fight, it would have ended like all the other times spidey fights a symbiote in h2h... BADLY for spiderman...

I don't either considering he has to deal with ALL of those threats using plot devices, help, a weapon, or a plan.

you assume once again.

more powerful than magneto? uhhh no.

I'm not even going to begin countering all that. I don't even know why I'm up. Damn philosopy essay...

I will point out a few things, however.

1. I pointed out all of those OBVIOUS non-Spidey rogues (i.e., Superman, Silver Surfer, etc.) to prove a point, Jin. The others were busting out people that aren't really considered Wolverine's rogues (i.e., Hulk, etc.), so I felt I should just do the same.

2. To be part of the Rogue's gallery, Spidey doesn't necessarily have to defeat them or defeat them fairly.

3. How would Morlun lose to Wolverine? I mean, when you look at all the damage and the type of damage (if you can even call it that) took from Spidey via the environment (cars, dumpsters, lightpoles, etc.), he didn't even have SCRATCHES. Believe it or not, when a car hits a hero or villian, unless they have a healing factor or are invulnerable, they usually always come out with all sorts of cuts all over them. Morlun had nothing. Which means that the objects didn't cut him at all. I don't see Wolverine being able to do any different with his inferior strength. I'm not even arguing his blunt force trauma durability. I'm arguing his durabilty against being pierced by anything not stronger or somehow mystically-powered (like when Spidey stabbed him with the stingers).

Besides. A life-drain would suck for Wolverine. He'd keep healing for a bit while Morlun keeps getting more and more energy. Eventually, Wolvie's healing factor would tax out, leaving Morlun even more powered up, and Wolvie drained.

But I digress. Morlun is not in this match.

Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
2. Connors only has 1 freaking arm, as Lizard 2. Uhh, coincidence?

🙂

Huh? When Connors turns into the Lizard, the arm grows back. 😑

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Huh? When Connors turns into the Lizard, the arm grows back. 😑

Ye, i was backing you up.

2. Connors only has 1 freaking arm, as Lizard 2.

Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
Ye, i was backing you up.

2. Connors only has 1 freaking arm, as Lizard [b]2. [/B]

Ooooh, my bad. The numbers confused me a bit, haha.

Rock on.

Plus, we have not seen his factor in its full potential, for all we know he could be anther Nuke surviving SOB.

Venom is like Spidey x3, Spidey beats Wolverine(debatably), Wolverine beats these rogues.

Current Venom won't take the whole team, but most of it.

Doc Ock can take maybe 1-->2.

Lizard the rest really.

+Team Spideys huge speed advantage.

Harry
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Known Powers: Through use of the Goblin Formula and derivatives, Harry Osborn possessed enhanced strength, speed, stamina, and durability.

Strength Level: Strong enough to fight Spider-Man to a draw.

Equipment: Goblin glider.
Transportation: Goblin glider.
Weapons: Pumpkin bombs, elcectric gloves, smoke, and gas.

Ock
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Known Powers:

Tentacles
Doctor Octopus' superhuman abilities derive from the four mentally-controlled, electronically-powered, telescoping, prehensile titanium-steel tentacles attached to a stainless steel harness encircling his body from lower chest to waist. Each tentacle, approximately five inches in diameter, terminates in three single-jointed pincers. The pincers are able to rotate in relation to the arm for 360 degrees, in a screwdriver-like twisting motion. Each tentacle segment contains four high-efficiency electric motors equipped with a clutched, helical-gear train, independently mounted on frictionless gimbals and housed in four thin, overlapping layers of titanium-niobium steel. The titanium-steel alloy is light, has high-tensile strength, a high melting point, and high thin-wall rigidity. The motors get their power from a small nuclear-powered thermo-electric generator, which can provide several hundred watts per hour for up to five years before needing to replece its U-239 core. The tentacles have been modified since the time of the original accident to include high-efficiency battery packs (enabling movement when cut off from the central power source) and individual micro-circuit control modules (enabling each arm to perform certain pre-programmed actions when Octopus loses conscious control). In the event that Octopus loses consciousness, the control module of each arm has enough pre-programmed conditional responses in its memory chip to enable it to perform a relatively complex sequence of actions, such as saving his life. The trauma of his arm or arms being separated from the harness causes a period of disorientation in which his arms flail about uncontrollably until the pre-programming takes over.

Telepathic Control over Tentacles: Octopus can control the actions of his artificial arms psionically, even when they have been severed from his body and are seperated from him by vast distances (a distance of 900 miles has been recorded).
Telescoping: Each tentacle is approximately six feet long at full contraction, but can extend to a maximum of 24 feet in length.

Superhuman Striking Force: Each tentacle is capable of moving at a speed of ninety feet per second and strike with the force of a jackhammer.

High-Wind Generation: The tentacles can generate 50 mile per hour winds if spun like a giant fan.

Wall-Climbing and Traveling: By combining the intrinsic strength of both his tentacles and the pincers, Doctor Octopus can scale stone, brick, or concrete walls by rending "handholds" in the surface of the wall. Octopus is able to use his tentacles for traversing horizontal distances as well. At full extension, he can travel high above the ground as if on stilts, either using two tentacles, or for maximum speed (approximately 50 miles per hour), four tentacles.

Senstation Feeling: Although there are no nerve endings throughout the length of his artificial arms, Octopus can "feel" basic sensations with them. As a result of the mutagenic changes from exposure to radiation during the accident, electrical connections have been made from his chest harness to his spine. Thus, Doctor Octopus can mentally percieve "tactile" sensations by feeling the amount of electrical resistance that the pincer's electric motors feel when the pincers grasp an object.

Superhuman Concentration
Doctor Octopus possesses extraordinary mental abilities and concentration, and through years of practice is able to perform two complex and two simple independent actions, simultaneously, one with each arm.

Known Abilities:

Radiation Specialist
Doctor Octopus is one of the world's leading authority on nuclear radiation and its effect on animal physiology.

Engineering
Doctor Octopus is a brilliant engineer and inventor.

Leadership
Doctor Octopus is a superb strategist and a charismatic leader.

Strength Level: Without the use of his artificial tentacles, Doctor Octopus possesses the normal human strength of a man of his age, height, and build who engages in no regular exercise. Each of his tentacles is able to lift approximately 8 tons (provided that Octopus supports his harness with at least one other arm in order to prevent the chest harness/skin interface from bearing any part of the effort). With one arm, Octopus can lift an automobile. With two arms, he can throw an automobile tens of feet, or lift a small bus. The pincers on his arms are capable of gripping with a force of 175 pounds per square inch, sufficient to deform any object made of a thin-walled substance less durable than steel. The pincers can, for instnace, crush a handgun. By combining the intrinsic strength of both his tentacles and the pincers, Doctor Octopus can perform such feats as tearing steel doors off bank vaults.

Lizard
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45mph runs, 18 ft leep, 70mph tail speed and around class 15.

Venom
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Superhuman Agility, Durability, Stamina, Class 50, Organic Webbing + More.

You tell me.

But I digress. Morlun is not in this match. [/B][/QUOTE]

I just want to correct something that you made a mistake on. Morlun isnt invulnerable. The reason why im saying this is because he basically beat spiderman to death and could have drained him but the police showed up and he was affraid of getting gunned down so he retreated taking some of the police with him. Knowing this I think that if he fought wolverine that would be the worst regret of his life, knowing that wolverine has taken punches from people that is just as strong and bounced back up. Also morlun cant absorb anything from wolverine, he can only do that to spiderman because he feeds off of arachnid powers. If morlun goes h2h with wolverine the fight is over but if he throw cars and buses at wolverine he could win. Wolverine has fought better and stronger opponents and seem to come out on top sometimes.

I think that wolverine foes wins this fight but it would be long and drawn out but I think that they win it everytime because noone on the other team have any kind of way of getting pass the healing factor and durability of the other team and by the way thats all is takes is one slash from anybody on wolverine side to doc ock and the fight is done, it could happen.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I'm not even going to begin countering all that. I don't even know why I'm up. Damn philosopy essay...

I will point out a few things, however.

1. I pointed out all of those OBVIOUS non-Spidey rogues (i.e., Superman, Silver Surfer, etc.) to prove a point, Jin. The others were busting out people that aren't really considered Wolverine's rogues (i.e., Hulk, etc.), so I felt I should just do the same.

2. To be part of the Rogue's gallery, Spidey doesn't necessarily have to defeat them or defeat them fairly.

exactly.. hulk is by FAR more of a rogue to wolverine than morlun.. hell he's more of a rogue to wolverine than carnage.... how many times have spidey and carnage tangled? 5....6 maybe....

wolverine and hulk have thrown down a grand total of 13 times 14 (including nightmare's dream realm) how is hulk NOT a rogue to wolverine? where's the line drawn?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
3. How would Morlun lose to Wolverine?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I mean, when you look at all the damage and the type of damage (if you can even call it that) took from Spidey via the environment (cars, dumpsters, lightpoles, etc.), he didn't even have SCRATCHES. Believe it or not, when a car hits a hero or villian, unless they have a healing factor or are invulnerable, they usually always come out with all sorts of cuts all over them. Morlun had nothing. Which means that the objects didn't cut him at all.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I don't see Wolverine being able to do any different with his inferior strength.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Besides. A life-drain would suck for Wolverine. He'd keep healing for a bit while Morlun keeps getting more and more energy. Eventually, Wolvie's healing factor would tax out, leaving Morlun even more powered up, and Wolvie drained.

But I digress. Morlun is not in this match.

Originally posted by carver9
But I digress. Morlun is not in this match.

I just want to correct something that you made a mistake on. Morlun isnt invulnerable. The reason why im saying this is because he basically beat spiderman to death and could have drained him but the police showed up and he was affraid of getting gunned down so he retreated taking some of the police with him. Knowing this I think that if he fought wolverine that would be the worst regret of his life, knowing that wolverine has taken punches from people that is just as strong and bounced back up. Also morlun cant absorb anything from wolverine, he can only do that to spiderman because he feeds off of arachnid powers. If morlun goes h2h with wolverine the fight is over but if he throw cars and buses at wolverine he could win. Wolverine has fought better and stronger opponents and seem to come out on top sometimes.

I think that wolverine foes wins this fight but it would be long and drawn out but I think that they win it everytime because noone on the other team have any kind of way of getting pass the healing factor and durability of the other team and by the way thats all is takes is one slash from anybody on wolverine side to doc ock and the fight is done, it could happen. [/B][/QUOTE]

Go do some more research on Morlun.

He didn't finish Spider-Man off in public because he wanted to feast on Spidey in private. If I recall correctly, he even basically says this.

http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=e5xx.gif

You Morlun was worried about bullets?

Also, Morlun can feed off of anyone, as he showed when he fed off of a random police/guard/(can't remember).

Originally posted by jinzin
exactly.. hulk is by FAR more of a rogue to wolverine than morlun.. hell he's more of a rogue to wolverine than carnage.... how many times have spidey and carnage tangled? 5....6 maybe....

wolverine and hulk have thrown down a grand total of 13 times 14 (including nightmare's dream realm) how is hulk NOT a rogue to wolverine? where's the line drawn?