Wolverine's Foes versus Spiderman's Foes

Originally posted by jinzin
the more I read that first sentence the more I die a little inside... and lose all respect for you.... morlun is as durable as hulk and thanos now? oh really? I guess that's why he got impaled by stingers, and penetrated by a bite... hmmmmm.... 😕

would morlun recover from repeated assaults that wolverine's landing like OR did? stingers indictate probably not...

In my opinion when I read that part, it wasn't just physical force that defeated Morlun. Spidey basically used his own power against him (somehow) in the form of the stingers. He drained his energy and power as he plunged his stingers into Morlun, thus making him more susceptible to damage. I mean, think about it. The cars and slabs of concret did nothing to him, and then Spidey produces these totally new, totally different stingers that work on a completely different level, and then they work? It makese sense.

Originally posted by jinzin
it STILL wouldn't even be CLOSE to comparible to wolverine's admantium blades so the rest is a moot point.. 😐

Well, I mean, if you can't answer the question properly... 😬

But fine, I'll play along. If you had an adamantium blade, given your strength and whatnot, could you plunge it all the way (or really any at all) into the solid trunk of say...I dunno...a Redwood tree?

Unless you've been keeping superhuman abilities from us, jin...the answer is no.

Originally posted by jinzin
we don't know that he can't.. the one time they've connected wolverine landed a scraping blow... wolverine has landed similar shots on hulk and namor to no APPARENT avail, would you argue he can't stab or cut them when he connects with a solid shot? I mean seriously.. even in that instance it's stated on panal that c's metal is nothing compared to admantium... PLUS you have to consider the 3 or 4 times colosus has straight up freaked when wolverine pointed his claws in peter's general direction..

If you wanna look at it like that, then sure. But we also don't know for a fact that Spidey can't snap Wolverine's neck, since he hasn't done it yet.

Wolverine hasn't shown to be able to cut Colossus, as much as you want to debate it. Hasn't had a decent stab against him? Oh well, it's taken Wolverine several tries to get a decent stab in, seems that he can't. And the few times he has connected prove that he can't cut Colossus.

And honestly? I'd be scared, too, of Wolverine's claws, even with Colossus's power. They're still deadly, no matter what. Maybe not to Colossus, but still.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Fact: Venom is an organic life form
Fact: Omega Red's vampirc ability drains life force

Can you solve the puzzle?

He may be organic, but it's been shown that it doesn't seem to react the same towards forces that would influence other lifeforms. *cough* penance stare *cough*

Funny how people keep saying that eddie will die before venom can do anything, considering that they have to get to the symbiote before they can get to him.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
No member of the Wolvie squad is holding his/her own against Venom. 😐

Wolverine has stalemated Venom 3 times now. If he can do it Cyber/Sabretooth/Lady D can all do it. All of them are physically as formidable, if not more so than Wolvy, all of them have healing factors, all of them have rediculously high fighting skill, and all of them have adamantium claws. Fighting these guys for Venom is going to be like fighting Wolvy except:

Cyber is more durable
Sabretooth is stronger and faster
Lady D has a lot more range

Wolvy can stalemate Venom, therefor all of them, ESPECIALLY Red can do it too, since all of them can also stalemate or beat Wolverine.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Wolverine hasn't shown to be able to cut Colossus

Originally posted by Metalmanx
So, Hulk being considered a Wolveirne foe, does that make Firelord a Spider-Man foe?

Oh yea, what about the Spot? I can't believe we forgot about him.

Originally posted by riceroost
You never give Wolverine or anyone associated with him any friggin credit. It's rediculous.

Wolverine has stalemated Venom 3 times now. If he can do it Cyber/Sabretooth/Lady D can all do it. All of them are physically as formidable, if not more so than Wolvy, all of them have healing factors, all of them have rediculously high fighting skill, and all of them have adamantium claws. Fighting these guys for Venom is going to be like fighting Wolvy except:

Cyber is more durable
Sabretooth is stronger and faster
Lady D has a lot more range

Wolvy can stalemate Venom, therefor all of them, ESPECIALLY Red can do it too, since all of them can also stalemate or beat Wolverine.

Can you show scans of this supposed "stalemate"?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
In my opinion when I read that part, it wasn't just physical force that defeated Morlun. Spidey basically used his own power against him (somehow) in the form of the stingers.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
He drained his energy and power as he plunged his stingers into Morlun, thus making him more susceptible to damage. I mean, think about it. The cars and slabs of concret did nothing to him, and then Spidey produces these totally new, totally different stingers that work on a completely different level, and then they work? It makese sense.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Well, I mean, if you can't answer the question properly... 😬

Originally posted by Metalmanx
But fine, I'll play along. If you had an adamantium blade,

Originally posted by Metalmanx
given your strength and whatnot, could you plunge it all the way (or really any at all) into the solid trunk of say...I dunno...a Redwood tree?

Unless you've been keeping superhuman abilities from us, jin...the answer is no.

(though I like how you think dictating it to be a certain way based on your opinion take presidence over facts.)

the fact is, the claws have been stated to be capible of shredding through solid walls of titanium like wet paper.... it's not even debateable that someone of my strength could and would slice the shit out of a redwood... 😐

Originally posted by Metalmanx
If you wanna look at it like that, then sure. But we also don't know for a fact that Spidey can't snap Wolverine's neck, since he hasn't done it yet.

the spidey neck thing.. uhh no we DO know spidey can't snap his neck.. since.. well there's nothing but evidence to suggest it... and again.. SABRETOOTH TRIED THE EXACT SAME TACTIC.. he litterally twisted wolverine's neck in an attempt to snap it.... didn't work.. wolverine was still fighting back... for spiderman it wouldn't work.. considering wolverine's BONDED SKELETON it simply can't work.. 😐

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Wolverine hasn't shown to be able to cut Colossus, as much as you want to debate it.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Hasn't had a decent stab against him? Oh well, it's taken Wolverine several tries to get a decent stab in, seems that he can't. And the few times he has connected prove that he can't cut Colossus.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And honestly? I'd be scared, too, of Wolverine's claws, even with Colossus's power. They're still deadly, no matter what. Maybe not to Colossus, but still.

Originally posted by riceroost
Yes he has. Claremont has already spoken on the matter and he says organic steel is no friggin match for Wolverine.

Then why can't you show me on-panel evidence of Wolverine cutting Colossus?

I don't care that he sais organic steel is no match for adamantium. Wolverine hasn't yet been able to cut Colossus. Therefore, he cannot.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Can you show scans of this supposed "stalemate"?

and technically in the MCP, wolverine outlasted venom on account of durability... venom was KOed wolvie wasn't...

Originally posted by jinzin
have firelord and spiderman fought on more than a dozen occasions?

That really wasn't my point.

But honestly, I don't know why we're debating this at all. There is already a set match-up of foes that we're dealing with here. So Hulk/Firelord/Spot are pretty irrelevant.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
That really wasn't my point.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
But honestly, I don't know why we're debating this at all. There is already a set match-up of foes that we're dealing with here. So Hulk/Firelord/Spot are pretty irrelevant.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Then why can't you show me on-panel evidence of Wolverine cutting Colossus?

Originally posted by jinzin
because wolverine's never hit collusus full on before.. 😕

... 🤨

But there's still absolutely no proof that he can do it. He hasn't, therefore, no proof to say he can. What is so hard to understand?

This is a vast assumption on your part that Wolverine can easily slice through/pierce Colossus if he connected a full-on hit. Well, if it hasn't happened to back up your claim, then there's no way of knowing that he can.

However, it makes more sense to say that he can't, seeing as even his "glancing" 🙄 blows have proven unable to harm Colossus.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
... 🤨

But there's still absolutely no proof that he can do it. He hasn't, therefore, no proof to say he can. What is so hard to understand?

This is a vast assumption on your part that Wolverine can easily slice through/pierce Colossus if he connected a full-on hit. Well, if it hasn't happened to back up your claim, then there's no way of knowing that he can.

However, it makes more sense to say that he can't, seeing as even his "glancing" 🙄 blows have proven unable to harm Colossus.

I'm not saying he can, or that he can do so easily at that (don't know where the hell you're getting that from), I'm just saying the evidence is ambiguous in either case...

Originally posted by jinzin
because wolverine's never hit collusus full on before.. 😕

Colossus is far too dense for Wolverine to cut. I don't appreciate the unfair logic of, "If Logan did it, then it works, but if he can't, that means that he hasn't been shown to yet."

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
What, you already said he wouldn't be able to do it, and now you're saying he can? Or staying in-between saying that he might so it won't look as bad as saying he can?

Colossus is far too dense for Wolverine to cut. I don't appreciate the unfair logic of, "If Logan did it, then it works, but if he can't, that means that he hasn't been shown to yet."

Yup. Logan can cut colossus, he just hasn't yet.

He can also run at multiples of the speed of light, and phase through matter. He just hasn't yet.

Duh!

Originally posted by Soljer
Yup. Logan can cut colossus, he just hasn't yet.

He can also run at multiples of the speed of light, and phase through matter. He just hasn't yet.

Duh!

Tell us something we don't know 😐

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Top 5 foes of the 2 heroes face each other in a battle for villainous supremacy. Each team has 1 hour prep and the battle takes place in the middle of NYC.

Spidey Squad: Venom, Green Goblin, Lizard, Doctor Octopus, and Rhino

versus

Wolvie Squad: Sabretooth, Omega Red, Silver Samurai, Lady Deathstrike and Cyber

Venom ftw!

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Venom ftw!

I wouldn't be so sure about that, Omega Red and his death spores is the deciding factor.