Wolverine's Foes versus Spiderman's Foes

Originally posted by jinzin
exactly.. hulk is by FAR more of a rogue to wolverine than morlun.. hell he's more of a rogue to wolverine than carnage.... how many times have spidey and carnage tangled? 5....6 maybe....

wolverine and hulk have thrown down a grand total of 13 times 14 (including nightmare's dream realm) how is hulk NOT a rogue to wolverine? where's the line drawn?

Hulk is not a Wolverine rogue. Wolverine is a Hulk rogue (since that's what he was created to do). And since this isn't a match-up of other heroes Wolverine has fought, Hulk doesn't belong here. If it had been the other way around, then yes. But that's how it is.

Originally posted by jinzin
getting stabbed.. or his head chopped off.. he's not more durable than thanos or hulk...

which would alos happen with thanos or hulk.... 😐

He sure seemed to be. I mean, Spidey took Morlun through all sorts of damage, things that would leave anyone else gashed and sliced up. And Morlun? Nothing. Fresh as a daisy.

Originally posted by jinzin
it has nothing to do with strength everything to do with his blades.

Oh? So if I gave you the sharpest, strongest blade on the planet and asked you slice through a solid block of titanium, you could do it? Hell, even just a solid block of lead or something like that would probably be durable enough to withstand such an attack.

Why can't Wolverine cut through Colossus then? 🙄

Is it still all about the blades?

Originally posted by jinzin
it wouldn't suck more than dealing with omega red, and wolverine staved him off for 17 hours.

And then lost, correct?

Originally posted by lando005
rogues are normally bad guys who the hero fights on and off for several occasions, while hulk and wolverine have fought a couple of times we both know them to be one of the good guys soo neither one of them are really rogues for eachother, also spidy's fought carnage more times than that hell he fought him more times that that in the maximum carnage story arch alone there's gotta be sort of a personal grudge btween the hero and villin i remember 1 time scorpion broke ou of jail and even though cap was the one who busted him last he wanted revenge on spider-man who had nothing to do with that last capture

and venom's not a villian but he's still a spidey rogue... and again hulk has fought wolverine 13 to 14 times.. that's far more than "a couple"...

Originally posted by jinzin
spiderman fought carnage twice in maximun carnage.. 🤨 all the other fights were between carnage and venom.. or carnage and friends...

and venom's not a villian but he's still a spidey rogue... and again hulk has fought wolverine 13 to 14 times.. that's far more than "a couple"...

Originally posted by lando005
he fought carnage and his goons more than that... venom is a villian marvel tried to turn him into an anti hero but it didnt work he started off a spider-villian and that's what he is even to this day both hulk and wolverine are conciderd "good guys" so they dont fall under the rogues list just that they got beef with eachother

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Oh? So if I gave you the sharpest, strongest blade on the planet and asked you slice through a solid block of titanium, you could do it? Hell, even just a solid block of lead or something like that would probably be durable enough to withstand such an attack.

Better Comparison - no matter how sharp a knife is, you'll be hard pressed to stab it to the hilt into a tree. Even though wood is MUCH softer than steel.

Everything to do with strength.

Spiderman foes should take this. Omega red and Cyber monkey w/e should give them hell though. Venom eats Sabertooth after awhile and then jumps in and eats everyone else. Is GG in the air? because he chills there for awhile until he bites someone from behind.

Originally posted by jinzin
bullshit.... wolverine's an anti hero... hulk is a force of nature.. BOTH characters have killed and hurt more innocent civilians than venom would EVER EVEN THINK about causing harm to.... he's a spiderman nemesis but he isn't evil in his own right... he's a lethal protector.. he's always been that way, since his first representation.. he just happens to hate spiderman.... so no. you fail again.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Hulk is not a Wolverine rogue.

what definition of rogue's gallery are you using?
at any rate this thread also states wolverine FOES vs. spiderman FOES.... hulk is definitely a foe to wolverine if nothing else. but if he's not a rogue, then I ask how venom can be a rogue to spiderman?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Wolverine is a Hulk rogue (since that's what he was created to do).

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And since this isn't a match-up of other heroes Wolverine has fought, Hulk doesn't belong here.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
If it had been the other way around, then yes. But that's how it is.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
He sure seemed to be. I mean, Spidey took Morlun through all sorts of damage, things that would leave anyone else gashed and sliced up. And Morlun? Nothing. Fresh as a daisy.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Oh? So if I gave you the sharpest, strongest blade on the planet

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Why can't Wolverine cut through Colossus then? 🙄

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Is it still all about the blades?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And then lost, correct?

would morlun recover from repeated assaults that wolverine's landing like OR did? stingers indictate probably not...

would morlun shrugg off the attacks unable to register the pain the attacks SHOULD be inflicting on his body like OR did? stingers indicate probably not...

Originally posted by jinzin
why not? how doeshe NOT fit the criteria? he's certainly a scoundrel (causing whole towns to evacuate) he's definitely an alter ego of sorts, as was confirmed in IG. what about hulk DOESN'T make him a rogue?

what definition of rogue's gallery are you using?
at any rate this thread also states wolverine FOES vs. spiderman FOES.... hulk is definitely a foe to wolverine if nothing else. but if he's not a rogue, then I ask how venom can be a rogue to spiderman?

you don't have to be created to fight someone to be their rogue... case in point wolves and sabretooth.

for one, the hulk wolverine fights isn't a hero, for two, the thread says foes and hulk's a wolverine foe for sure.. that's not even debeatable...

clearly you don't know how it is, otherwise you would have caught on the "foes" part of this equasion.

the more I read that first sentence the more I die a little inside... and lose all respect for you.... morlun is as durable as hulk and thanos now? oh really? I guess that's why he got impaled by stingers, and penetrated by a bite... hmmmmm.... 😕

it STILL wouldn't even be CLOSE to comparible to wolverine's admantium blades so the rest is a moot point.. 😐

we don't know that he can't.. the one time they've connected wolverine landed a scraping blow... wolverine has landed similar shots on hulk and namor to no APPARENT avail, would you argue he can't stab or cut them when he connects with a solid shot? I mean seriously.. even in that instance it's stated on panal that c's metal is nothing compared to admantium... PLUS you have to consider the 3 or 4 times colosus has straight up freaked when wolverine pointed his claws in peter's general direction..

yes.. it certainly is.... dogs of war are able to bite through at least some sort of admantium... they couldn't bite through hulk.. wolverine stabs and cuts hulk regardless.. it's all about the blades baby...

correct, however you have to consider that OR is basically a zombie version of sabretooth with range.... he had a faster level of regeneration than wolverine at the time, he also doesn't register pain inflicted on his body as a by-product of being undead generally speaking...

would morlun recover from repeated assaults that wolverine's landing like OR did? stingers indictate probably not...

would morlun shrugg off the attacks unable to register the pain the attacks SHOULD be inflicting on his body like OR did? stingers indicate probably not...

Originally posted by lando005
wow are you ever delusional venom has always been concidered a villin he has a twisted sens or morals that makes him less unstable that most but he's still a villian the only ones who never tried captering him were the other anti heros wo didnt really care but as far as the normal heroes were concerned he was a threat that should be kept locked up he's a spider-man villian point blank that's it end of the matter

yes his morals are twisted.. but he's not a villain if you want to get technical... he's an anti hero... that's what he is.. you call me delusional but ignore the key points to that explaination... he's a spiderman FOE... he's not a villain strictly speaking.. no more so than hulk or wolverine themselves.. hulk's had the entire United states army , the avengers, the ff, EVERYBODY try to take him down and bring him in at one point or another... he's by far more of a threat to innocents and heroes than venom is...

wolverine's had the entirety of sheild after his ass, most heroes think he SHOULD be lokced up, he's granted a certain degree of immunity for being an x-man however.....

point still stands...wolverine and hulk both have done more villainous things than venom has ever even dreamed of.

Originally posted by lando005
look you could argue about what makes a rogue all day but the fact of the matter is we already have a list of villians for both teams already noboy's complaining we're all just working with what we go which is the list the OP put up

Originally posted by jinzin
this discussion evolved past the perameters of the fight itself.. period..

Originally posted by lando005
no discussion can evolve past the parameters of the fight u want to talk about past foes go make a new thread if not comment on the fight at hand

Originally posted by jinzin
yes they can, and do.... 🤨
how the hell are you a senior member if you're not even aware of something as fundemental as this?

Originally posted by jinzin
yes they can, and do.... 🤨
how the hell are you a senior member if you're not even aware of something as fundemental as this?

Jinzin, threads are SUPPOSED to remain on topic. If the thread involves a five on five, it needs to stay those five on those five. Bringing in dozens of others solves nothing.

If someone wants to change the line up, or debate something other than the topic at hand, they really SHOULD create a new thread for it.

Originally posted by lando005
quite simply becaus i stay on topic it's ok to go off topic evey once and awhile and bring up some other point but you dont (especially since ur not the OP) go and declare the topic of the thread over just to debate some other offshoot topic

i said the discussion had evolved.... that's not me declaring anything of the sort, I'm just stating what happened..

Originally posted by Soljer
Jinzin, threads are SUPPOSED to remain on topic.

but the fact of the matter is sure, they SHOULD stay on topic... but tangents happen, we can't help it. they just happen..

Originally posted by Soljer
If the thread involves a five on five, it needs to stay those five on those five. Bringing in dozens of others solves nothing.

agreed.. again I'm not arguing that.

Originally posted by Soljer
If someone wants to change the line up, or debate something other than the topic at hand, they really SHOULD create a new thread for it.

there has been enough day dreaming it's time to get back on track

So, Hulk being considered a Wolveirne foe, does that make Firelord a Spider-Man foe?

Oh yea, what about the Spot? I can't believe we forgot about him.

Originally posted by Soljer
Better Comparison - no matter how sharp a knife is, you'll be hard pressed to stab it to the hilt into a tree. Even though wood is MUCH softer than steel.

Everything to do with strength.

Much better comparison. Thanks.