Spider-Man vs. Punisher and Wolverine

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Bull. I've seen the scan of the issue you speak of. The optic blast was't even fired before Wolverine knocked Storm down. He's not faster than the speed of light, not even by reaction time.

By some shitty writing, he was able to sense the attack coming before it came, and managed to get Storm down BEFORE Cyke fired. As crappy as this is, it makes so much more sense than Wolvie just plain dodging an already-fired, accurate optic blast.

What are some CANON examples of Wolverine [B]catching bullets? [/B]

there's many similiar feats that support this.. in the MCP book, after the fight with spiderman when wolverine and spiderman get ambushed spiderman comments about how he's dodging lazers with wolverine...

wolverine's reacted quick enough to knock rogue out of the way of oncoming lazer fire as well...

it doesn't make sense that these characters are THAT fast,, but hey guess what, they are.. that's just the way things are in comics.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I'm under the belief that the novels are not canon. And I think others agreed when that was brought up previously. I think even jinzin said those weren't canon.

Originally posted by jinzin
true... but he'll still dwindle..while wolverine maintains.. 😐

I haven't done that in so long.

I just want to point out on the cannon vs. non-cannon issue:

Capt, I can write a comic featuring Wolverine, and not have it conflict with a SINGLE thing in the 616 universe. Doesn't make it cannon.

Just because it may not have conflicted with established facts, does not establish it as fact. Seriously. The Wolverine/Darkness crossover isn't cannon, even if it didn't conflict with previous stories.

It doesn't REALLY matter, because, as Riceroost said, Logan's blocked bullets with his claws before. Just pointing out that your logic behind Darkness being cannon is a bit faulty.

Also, your statement about Logan seeing bullets in slo-mo, the same has been said about Captain America, so I wouldn't go around being too proud of that. Spiderman is still leaps and bounds above all of the combatants mentioned in this thread.

Originally posted by jinzin
oh from that point.. yeah that's probably a dec estimate then....

still like to know where the hell that's from...

I would, too, actually.

Originally posted by jinzin
but he's reacted the optic blasts regardless... look in origins.... scott fires three of them at wolverine.. wolverine with his back turned to them, grabs his sword from the ground turns and bats them all away with one swing of his arm.. that in and of itself proves that he reacts faster than the optic blast could get to him. 😬

there's many similiar feats that support this.. in the MCP book, after the fight with spiderman when wolverine and spiderman get ambushed spiderman comments about how he's dodging lazers with wolverine...

wolverine's reacted quick enough to knock rogue out of the way of oncoming lazer fire as well...

it doesn't make sense that these characters are THAT fast,, but hey guess what, they are.. that's just the way things are in comics.

So, given those examples, you believe Wolverine to have light-speed reflexes, jin?

Was Cyke really trying to put him down? What were the circumstances? Scans, perhaps?

And the Rogue doens't make sense...what happened to her superhuman 6th sense?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
So, given those examples, you believe Wolverine to have light-speed reflexes, jin?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Was Cyke really trying to put him down? What were the circumstances? Scans, perhaps?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And the Rogue doens't make sense...what happened to her superhuman 6th sense?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
As much as you want them to be, Wolverine's senses will NOT be able to detect:

-Where Spidey is EXACTLY
-What Spidey is about to do
-Where Spidey is going to attack
-Etc., etc.

Wolvie will hear and smell him. Too bad those don't allow him to know where Spidey's blows will land. Wolvie out.

And Punisher? Hah. Don't even joke. He gets taken out almost immediately by a spray of webbing.

Originally posted by capt it up
actaully wolverine will know he will sense the twitch in spidermans body and know were the attack will come

Actually, no.

Wolverine is not Daredevil. 😐

Spiderman takes this easy. How can anyone even debate it?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Actually, no.

Wolverine is not Daredevil. 😐

How does he ? 🙄

Spider man, who surpasses both in strength, agility, from what Ive seen is par to par or surpasses wolverine in speed. Dont get me wrong I think wolvie is a great character, but I can recall a fight between him and spiderman before and he simply gets webbed with his hands towards his head, granted that wouldnt full put him out, would give spidey enough time to get to punisher. Then comes the spidey sense, which if spider man was to stand in a completely dark room scattered with objects, he could walk around and due to his spider sense, not run into anything at all. I think the spider sense gives him just enough edge to web up punisher before a barrage of bullets lays him out. Even with that wolverine and punisher are both highly skilled in what they do so id have to give it an even 50/50 split...

Originally posted by capt it up
actaully yes. like I said he see bullets as if in slow motion the same apply for people as well.

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In-vis-i-bil-it-y.

His senses are superhuman, but they're not good enough to defend himself against an invisible opponent who ALREADY physically outclasses him.

Without the invisibility, it's just harder for Spidey to win. With it, it's a breeze.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
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In-vis-i-bil-it-y.

His senses are superhuman, but they're not good enough to defend himself against an invisible opponent who ALREADY physically outclasses him.

Without the invisibility, it's just harder for Spidey to win. With it, it's a breeze.

Spiderman destroys them, Iron Spidey or not.

Originally posted by capt it up
the invisablity will actaulyl put spiderman at a disavantage ebcuase he will think eh hidden. also who saying logan wont see spiderman? spiderman uses camo not actauly turning invisable which means wolverine will be able to see spiderman on heat spectrum which means logan will still see him.

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Woah. Woah. Woah.

Wolverine can now see the heat spectrum? The GODDAMN HEAT SPECTRUM?

F*** it. That is completely lame. Completely, 100% absurd.

If this is true Wolverine is un-F***ing-beatable.

(Please, for the love of God, someone tell me he's lying).

Originally posted by Metalmanx
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Woah. Woah. Woah.

Wolverine can now see the heat spectrum? The GODDAMN HEAT SPECTRUM?

F*** it. That is completely lame. Completely, 100% absurd.

If this is true Wolverine is un-F***ing-beatable.

(Please, for the love of God, someone tell me he's lying).

If it makes you feel better, I've never heard that Wolverine can see in the Infrared spectrum....

Originally posted by Soljer
If it makes you feel better, I've never heard that Wolverine can see in the Infrared spectrum....

Glad I'm not the only one.

It was shown in one of the X-Men Unlimited issues.