Yeah, I don't even know why I am debating anymore, except I am fascinated to find out with what amazing (lol) abilities Wolverine are gonna be credited with next. I saw Digi finally closed the Superman vs Wolverine thread - like he said, I don't, I really, really, REALLY don't understand how that argument lasted 20 pages...
But then, I also don't know how somebody can start a Punisher vs Flash thread...
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Originally posted by Dreampanther
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Dude, that's a pretty sweet site. I disagree with some of the outcomes, but they all made really good arguments.
Originally posted by capt it up
ya like logan would not sense him lol and punisher no fool he be able to track spiderman quite well
As much as you want them to be, Wolverine's senses will NOT be able to detect:
-Where Spidey is EXACTLY
-What Spidey is about to do
-Where Spidey is going to attack
-Etc., etc.
Wolvie will hear and smell him. Too bad those don't allow him to know where Spidey's blows will land. Wolvie out.
And Punisher? Hah. Don't even joke. He gets taken out almost immediately by a spray of webbing.
Originally posted by riceroostYou said it right, him catching bullets is bs.
Uncanny # 211. Wolverine does the same exact thing, except he dodges an optic blast (optic blast >>>>>>>bullets) and still has enough time to pull Storm out of the way. Wolverine was also VERY distracted when he pulled out this feat as he had just discovered that Jean Grey was still alive. There, we've talked and Wolverine is easily still in the game.
And it's a good thing Wolverine's speed and reflexes are both enhanced.
Training isn't what allows him to do it. How do you train a man to catch bullets??? Since no one can train you to do it it must be done via superpowers of some kind. Or just random DD/Bats BS.
Doesn't even Hulk get tired after a few massive leaps? Isn't his strength and endurance greater than Spidey?
Written by Frank Tieri, one of the best Wolverine writers of our time. It may be non-cannon, but Tieri is still a reliable source for Wolverine. It even fit in nicely with Wolverine's whereabouts during WW2.Doesn't matter anyway as Logan has blocked bullets with his hands and claws several times in normal books and his perception, reflexes, speed, are all highly developed enough to allow him to hit optic blasts like they are coach pitch slow-balls. (Wolverine Origins) If he can do that to Cyclops then bullets are a cake walk.
Hulk shouldn't get tired because his endurance and stamina is greater than Logan's. Plus Spiderman is lighter, and doesn't jump friggin miles.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Is there any way to prove that? Because I have been under the assumption that the novels are not canon. And no, I'm not thinking of the adventure books.I thought the origin of Wolverine was in, well, Origins.
The weapon x novel is in fact just another version of the weapon x comic written by Barry Windsor-Smith. The only thing thats different is that in the novel you get some more background. I believe that the novel is in fact cannon. But I might be wrong.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No that is Spider-man PIS speed so that he doesn't get murdered against superior opponents. Spider-man has been fighting human-esq opponents since the very moment of is creation. Guess what? They all manage to hit him. Chumps like Fancy Dan and Ox... look out he knows Judo! The Vulture, now there is a speed freak. Do you know how long I could keep going on this list? Almost forever. Just read the first 50 issues of Amazing Spider-man to get an idea... you can keep reading the rest if you want an even larger list. Examples of Spider-man being contented with in the speed department both far excite the other and pre date them as well.
Well if we're going by the way characters are when they first appear then that leaves Wolverine a powerless guy with a slight healing factor and gloves. You know thats not a good argument. How many times has Spider-Man been upgraded since he first started out? How many times has he punked other MA's yet people only focus on the ones who beat him (never mind that they ignore the plot devices). You can call Spider-Man's speed PIS all you want but if you read all the Amazing Spider-Man issues I'd say that way it's been represented the same way throughout, as faster than practically anyone else.
If you want to put numbers to speed then
Normal human = 50
Trained Fighters (eg. Punisher) = 80
Enhanced (eg. Wolverine) = 100-110
Spider-Man = 150-175
And thats being very generous to Wolverine
Originally posted by capt it up
who says scots blast move at light speed? not to mention you have no problem with spiderman doing it but when logan does it you have a problem?
Cause they're light based and light moves at a specific speed.
Spider-Man can't dodge them, but he's better equiped to avoid them. Much better reflexes than Scott and spider-sense will tell him where the blast is heading.
And because Spider-Man is much faster than Wolverine so of course he can dodge things Wolverine can't
Originally posted by marvelprinceThat and also how many times has Wolverine been amped so he wouldn't be murdered? He's always amped, otherwise he gets hurt by humans, deer, and DD, and isn't what he is today, which is far more inconsistent than Spiderman. Why is everone making this thing where Wolverine is as fast as Spiderman now. This didn't happen until recently, along with the strength thing. He just keeps getting more and more stuff around here. Cyclops has nailed Wolverine several times, and will continue to.
Well if we're going by the way characters are when they first appear then that leaves Wolverine a powerless guy with a slight healing factor and gloves. You know thats not a good argument. How many times has Spider-Man been upgraded since he first started out? How many times has he punked other MA's yet people only focus on the ones who beat him (never mind that they ignore the plot devices). You can call Spider-Man's speed PIS all you want but if you read all the Amazing Spider-Man issues I'd say that way it's been represented the same way throughout, as faster than practically anyone else.If you want to put numbers to speed then
Normal human = 50
Trained Fighters (eg. Punisher) = 80
Enhanced (eg. Wolverine) = 100-110
Spider-Man = 150-175And thats being very generous to Wolverine
Im not taking any sides but this may help the debate.
Spiderman's spider sense on wiki
Spider-Man's "spider-sense" manifests in a tingling feeling at the base of his skull, alerting him to personal danger in proportion to the severity of that danger.[issue # needed] Though the exact mechanism of this ability is unknown, his original spider-sense clearly has at least two aspects in addition to sensing potential or immediate danger:
* A psychic awareness of his surroundings, similar to the radar-sense of Daredevil. When he is temporarily blinded in The Spectacular Spider-Man vol. 1 #26-28, Spider-Man learns to emulate this ability and navigate without his eyesight. Even under normal conditions, his spider-sense helps him navigate darkened rooms, instinctively avoiding obstacles or hazards, or potentially noisy or unstable floorboards, walls or ceilings that may betray his presence.
* An ability to detect certain radio frequencies. Spider-Man's technical skill is such that he has designed spider-tracers that broadcast a signal detectable by his spider-sense.
Using his spider-sense to time his enhanced reflexes, Spider-Man can casually dodge attacks up to and including automatic-weapons fire. His spider-sense is sufficiently well-linked to his reflexes, even before "The Other" storyline, that a threat can trigger them even when Spider-Man is asleep or stunned, as in Amazing Spider-Man #141, where a narcotic gas released by foe Mysterio caused him to lose his balance and fall from a building. Though barely conscious, a combination of spider-sense and reflex caused his arm to seize a fire-escape ladder, saving his life.
When Spider-Man swings across a city on his weblines, his spider-sense guides his aim, allowing him to travel at high speeds hundreds of feet above street level with minimal concentration, confident his weblines will find secure anchor points. [issue # needed]
Spider-Man's spider-sense is directional and can guide him to or away from hidden weapons and enemies. Sudden and extreme threats (such as the Beyonder observing Earth before the first Secret Wars, or the predatory Morlun) can cause his spider-sense to react with painful intensity. [issue # needed]
Spider-Man can also sense and dodge attacks directed randomly or by a computer. His spider-sense has helped him preserve his secret identity since it alerts him to observers or camera when changing into or out of his costume.[issue # needed] though this has been rendered moot by his voluntary unmasking in the Civil War storyline. The spider-sense does react to those who Peter does not consider to be a threat, such as Aunt May.[issue # needed]
Spider-Man can choose to ignore his spider-sense, and distraction or fatigue diminish its effectiveness.[issue # needed]
After the "Disassembled" and "The Other" storylines, Spider-Man gains the ability to feel vibrations and currents in the air or in his web lines, much like a real spider.[issue # needed] He also develops a psychic connection to insects, spiders, and other arthropods (see below).
Cap needs a ****ing upgrade. Everybody is getting one.
Originally posted by Tha C-Mastertrue... but he'll still dwindle..while wolverine maintains.. 😐
He still has a superhuman metabolism, and his greater strength allows his body to unload more inertia at once... thus making move in greater bursts. He can get tired, but Spiderman is all about movement.
Originally posted by Metalmanxoh from that point.. yeah that's probably a dec estimate then....
I disagree. Look where the bullet is before he even gets the spider-sense message. The bullet is still moving. By the time he actually starts moving, that bullet is definitely within two feet of him.
still like to know where the hell that's from...
Originally posted by Dreampantherno they don't..... 🤨 that may be what spiderman TOLD MJ when he was bragging about his powers but there's nothing that stated that outside of his OPINION.... his opinion doesn't dictate fact... how would he know?
Spiderman's reflexes can operate as much as forty times faster than a normal human being's - how fast is Wolverine's reflexes?