Most Powerful Mutant

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not through on panel demonstration my friend. What was speculated about the character and what he actually did on panel are two very different things. On panel he has performed nothing nearly on par with Jean.

At the end of the day, Jaspers power is limited to reality. Beyond reality he is completely powerless. Fury took advantage of this weakness and sniped him

Outside of reality and within Jean has power because she is one with the power that initiates reality. He is not on Jeans level my friend. Having the potential to do great things isnt enough.

I know youre British and youre repping for the Brit characters but this is going too far my friend 🙂

No , nationality doesn't concern me. I just vouch for the most powerful .

Unfortunately this means Jaspers turns your focus of obsession into a frog before stamping upon her.

Originally posted by grey fox
You state that it is part of her , yet you continuously refer to it as a a 'it' therefore it being a SEPARATE ENTITY.

What youre not getting my friend, what seems to be totally bypassing your faculties is the fact that Jean is literally the Phoenix Force. LITERALLY. She is a segment of the Force in human form. An avatar. However as she is not the sum total of the Force that means it is at the same time separate. However as part of the Force, the power she wields is her own. The greater Consciousness just dictates how and when this segment of itself can use the power.

Liken the Phoenix to Multiple Man and Jean as one of its many duplicates. Jean is both separate and one with Phoenix at the same time.

Understand? 😕

Hope we're clear now? 😄

Originally posted by grey fox
No , nationality doesn't concern me. I just vouch for the most powerful .

Unfortunately this means Jaspers turns your focus of obsession into a frog before stamping upon her.

Jean has demonstrated greater control of reality my friend so that isnt going to happen anytime soon. That which Jaspers both manipulates and depends on (reality) to be anything of note is something Jean can hold in its entirety in the palm of her hand, having demonstrated she can break it down to its component parts. 😄

Jean possesses vast power both within and without reality. She is classified in CURRENT continuity as "the ultimate mutation" (a point some people would do well to keep in mind 😖hifty: )

Outside of the reality which Jeans power brings about Jaspers is a victim:

Originally posted by Horrificus

Jean Grey's Pheonix powers are not totally "mutant" powers either.
Hyperstorm may be augmenting his powers in certain ways. So, they may not be totally "mutant" powers.

Originally posted by outavodka
You had to go n get him started damn you!

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
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Originally posted by outavodka
im seriuos. I mean come on you never get tired of the Jean/phoenix ranting???

I'll carry on as long as people try to promote misconceptions and outdated ideas about the character.

I only respond to posts, i rarely if ever create threads so i believe that comment is misdirected. 🙁

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I'll carry on as long as people try to promote misconceptions and outdated ideas about the character.

I only respond to posts, i rarely if ever create threads so i believe that comment is misdirected. 🙁

i just knew this would turn into a "PF vs [....] thread"😄 however..isnt franklyn supposed to replace eternity, or the celstials or something like that?... Cant recall, but wow Jim Jaspers is way up there tho. he does his thing under his own steam, so does franklyn, but hyperstorm was more powerful than all of them combined..so much so that, his energies were able to feed Galactus of that timeline, and was described as an "endless supply of raw energy"

Jean has to tap into the PF to surpass ppl in general..and im a big fan of phoenix but i always understood it as the PF chooses who it wants to be its avatar..i dont think i would go as far as to say that she literally "is" the PF, more so than a manifestation. but since its the most essential force in the universe it cant be beat, so if we're talking about mtuants at the fullest potential

my list:

Jean(PWC)
Hyperstorm
Franklin
Jaspers
Mr.M
Vulcan/Godlike Cable
Nate Grey
Q. Quire(he's still young,only time will tell how far he'll bump up the list)
Rachel Summers

All other omegas are irrelevant.. then id end with
Scarlet witch
Magento
Exodus as the most powerful alphas..... also i know that optimally rachel should be higher up as she has actually, successfully hosted the PF b4, but the thing is she has been at this for while now and she's been lazy with developing her powers, and let all others creep by her.

also technically Thanos is a mutant too😄

i agree with jaro's list but u cant forget new son eh...eh...lol
I also think with a little time,PIS-evolution Bishop will turn into a super energy manipulator, sorta like how mystique is supermorphing now. I seriously think its cuz of the less mutants around "Thanks Wanda...that b*tch" alot of mutans are going to start jumpstarting new powers/evolution out the ass. just wait and see. Cyke is gona lose the visor, yet keep red eyes, Iceman learns more tricks with vapor/hydro/ice kentics, Beast goes thru a another mutation. I mean anything just wait and see.

At full potential X-man is strongest

Originally posted by outavodka
i agree with jaro's list but u cant forget new son eh...eh...lol
I also think with a little time,PIS-evolution Bishop will turn into a super energy manipulator, sorta like how mystique is supermorphing now. I seriously think its cuz of the less mutants around "Thanks Wanda...that b*tch" alot of mutans are going to start jumpstarting new powers/evolution out the ass. just wait and see. Cyke is gona lose the visor, yet keep red eyes, Iceman learns more tricks with vapor/hydro/ice kentics, Beast goes thru a another mutation. I mean anything just wait and see.

I agree. Mutants are getting way too powerful. Gambit can control all forms of kinetic energy. Jubilee is going to start making atoms explode. Havok is going to have absolute control over cosmic energy. Leech is going to be able to absorb the powers of any being anywhere. It's getting ridiculous.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
I agree. Mutants are getting way too powerful. Gambit can control all forms of kinetic energy. Jubilee is going to start making atoms explode. Havok is going to have absolute control over cosmic energy. Leech is going to be able to absorb the powers of any being anywhere. It's getting ridiculous.

They are upgrading all mutants, excpet Apocalypse. With powers he has, they could make him unstoppable and a f*ucking beast.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jaspers greatest feat was universal,

Jim Jaspers CREATED his OWN UNIVERSE!

Something neither Jean as the Whte Phoenix of the Crown nor the actual Phoenix Force has EVER done On Panel

"a crooked GOD reviews his Paradise of ruins"

"He is lonely, but he is also GOD

"He MAKES Friends easily"

Mad Jim jaspers in a Universe he CREATED

Jim completely WARPED the 238 Universe

Merlin says, "I stretched your sanity to the breaking point to prepare you for a Universe (238) Reduced to Idiocy" the Omniversal Tribune Erased 238.

Merlin says about Cap. Britain, "I sent you to a lesser menace (Jaspers 238) and you were Killed"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
however he had the potential to gradually affect the rest of the multiverse.

Ofcourse you would downplay it, but unfortunately for you, I have the Scans of Proof.

"rest of the multi-verse"?

Why don't you try the OMNI-VERSE!

Jim Japers was an OMNI-VERSAL Threat

"Merlin says, "You cannot fail, this version of Japers (616) is too powerful, too dangerous"

They had to destroy the entire 238 Universe in order to kill 238 Jaspers,

but 616 Jaspers is "NOT so easily contained, and if he's not stopped, the OMNI-VERSE will fall into Chaos, and a NEW GOD shall play dice with Matter"

Nice try...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jean contained the proven multiversal power of the M'kraan crystal.

Jean NEVER contained the NEUTRON Galaxy, which is what could destroy a UNIVERSE (at the time)

When the Lattice of the Mkraan Crystal was REPAIRED by Phoenix, she NEEDED the rest of the X-Men to do it

Here Phoenix Tries to FIX the Lattice Alone

"But it's NOWHERE NEAR good enough"

and Phoenix does NOT "contain" the power of the N-Galaxy that does the destroying.

"a Network of interlocking Stasis Fields NEUTRALIZES the power of the N-Galaxy"....she was only able to knit the interlocking Stasis Fields back together

Phoenix even says, their "ONLY Hope is to Knit the Lattice Back Together BEFORE it PASSES the Point of No Return"

Actually Phoenix was getting ABSORBED by the N-Galaxy

With the Life-Force of ALL the X-Men she Anchors herself to Reality, to avoid being ABSORBED

"the Patterns of her life of the X-Men's LIVES, BECOME ONE with the Lattice"

"For ALL Her awesome Power, She CAN'T DO IT ALONE"

ALL the X-Men gave their LIFE-FORCE to help REPAIR the Lattice.

"The POWER of Her Friends Sing WITHIN Her, as she reenergizes the Lattice"

"XAVIER its CROWN and COLOSSUS its BASE"

"EACH X-MAN HAS a PLACE, EACH a purpose Greater than himself or herself"

SO ACCORDING to ISSUE itself, Straight from the WRITER'S Mouth.

XAVIER, COLOSSUS, WOLVERINE, KORSAIR, BANSHEE, CYCLOPS, STORM, and NIGHTCRAWLER, ALL GAVE their LIFE-FORCE to HELP Jean Knit the Lattice Back Together.

After the job is done, Even with the HELP of ALL the X-Men, Phoenix FALLS UNCONSCIOUS from Exhaustion

"contained the proven multiversal power of the Mkraan crystal"?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Please sonny... I don't think so.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
There is no mutant greater than Jean Grey my friend.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Comes down to Mad Jim Jaspers and Phoenix?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The pinnacle of mutation is Phoenix. It is referred to on panel as the "ultimate mutation". Telekinetic godhood which is the greatest power of these Phoenixes allows the telekinetic manipulation of matter and energy at a sub atomic level and can be applied at a greater range than any of the powers mentioned in this thread. (Jean for example materialized the 616 universe in the white hot room, holding it in the palm of her hand)

Does Onslaught count?

Originally posted by bigbran
Does Onslaught count?

You know, if you just hover your mouse over it, the true URL comes up in the grey bar on the bottom of the screen 😉