Originally posted by queeq
AOTC has less than that.... and TPm just has the pod race.... ROTS has a lot more.
3/4 of AOTC is great. TPM has a LOT more than the podrace, notably the end of the movie.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Is this argument about whether ROTJ has just 10 mins of credibility...are you serious? That's getting pretty ridiculous.
Not to me. I think its by far the crappiest of the films.
Nope, probably not.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Oh. So if you were to recommend either AOTC or Return of the Jedi to any old movie-goer, you would tell them to watch AOTC...because it's "great" and ROTJ is "crappy?"
No no, the point made by the thread starter was how Lucas is a dink and that he made a crappy PT.
Ush said that while the OT is the best, the three Prequel episodes are better than ROTJ. (I assume he meant any of the three, not all 3 v.s. 1)
Alliance and I agreed with him.
My feeling is not that ROTJ is "crappy" but that compared to the other SW films, it's in last place.
(pulls out saga list again)
Empire
Sith
New Hope
Menace
Clones
Jedi
though, episodes 1 and 2 change places with each other depending on my mood that day.
Erm....
I thought the point was that the PT doesn't suck, Lucas isn't an idiot, and in fact ANY of the PT films is preferable to ROTJ.
That's the way that I read it, and if I read wrong, I still think the Prequels are better films than ROTJ.
ROTJ has a 30 min. beginning, about half of which is cool, and the last 45 min. is cool.
All the other crap on Endor is.... crap.
However, despite flaws, script, or performances, I always watch a prequel straight through, without skipping boring chapters.
This, in my book, makes them better.
I think the PT films are horrible films...and so do most moviegoers...especially the ones who grew up with the OT. It's kinda funny how Lucas and Co don't seem to acknowledge that...they live in there own little bubble where they honestly think the moment PEOPLE were waiting for was to see Anakin become Vader.
The reality is, after the first two PT bombs, PEOPLE really didn't care about Star Wars except Star Wars fans, sci-fi geeks, and people who are into computer animation/video games etc...(which I don't doubt most people in here have as friends/aquaintances).
The Return of the King...now that's something people did care about...hmmm, wonder why?
I personally still love the PT, but I can admit it's crap...
...and ROTJ is definitely not crap. When it came out it got nominated for stuff like "Best Writing" from different awards shows.
The PT gets awards like "Best Bad Guy" Ha! What a joke!
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Erm....I thought the point was that the PT doesn't suck, Lucas isn't an idiot, and in fact ANY of the PT films is preferable to ROTJ.
That's the way that I read it, and if I read wrong, I still think the Prequels are better films than ROTJ.
ROTJ has a 30 min. beginning, about half of which is cool, and the last 45 min. is cool.
All the other crap on Endor is.... crap.
However, despite flaws, script, or performances, I always watch a prequel straight through, without skipping boring chapters.
This, in my book, makes them better.
So ROTJ has about an hour of coolness...?? That is rather a lot. That is more than TPM has and more than AOTC has. ROTS does and rates better IMO that ROTJ.
And anyhow, no matter how good or crappy ROTJ is, the OT will always be a classic set of films. The PT will never reach that status. The suited Darth Vader is an icon, Anakin being Luke's father an iconic film concept and the battle of rebels against an evil Empire is etched into people's minds. What does the PT have to compete with that.... all I can think of unfortunately... is Jar Jar... That says a lot.
yeah when i think of the OT i think of 77,80 and 83 and the whole vibe of the time and the fact there was nothing like em.
Theres a buzz related to the OOT or whatever people are calling it this week
I know theres Dark Horse,Hasbro etc
but say the words Marvel Star Wars Weekly and Kenner and it all comes back to me..the OOT BUZZ
when i think of the prequels there is a totally different vibe to em for me
a sh1tty crappy poundshop vibe to em...a vibe of disapointment.
and you know what......I HATE AOTC
I got to type that i F****** DETEST that pile of sh1t
i have been in denial for too long........."i hate it when he does that"
well i hate what YOU do Lucas
i hate the way you f****d with the "feel" of Star Wars that i had for 14 years and replaced it with a bunch of average SCENES surrounded by CRAP.
All this talk of ROTJedi being beneath the PT
The Vader/Luke chit chat on Endor pisses on everything on those flicks from the height of an imobile Dewback from STAR WARS....f**k that A NEW HOPE sh1t!
and yes i do mean better than
Obi v Maul
The podrace
The Geonosis arena
and everything else every in denial Star Wars nut clings onto.
How can anyone big up THE Phantom Menace when you got Jar Jar in it pretty much non stop
its like someone crapping on your breakfast and saying "well there is crap all over my sausage and eggs but it still tastes ok "
I could go on but im on my 5 min break.
I am a few months into my denial of the PT existing....apart from this msg and a visit to this board im doin ok
It can be done.Turn your PT dvds into coasters/LAUNCH EM!!!Take your SW prequel merchandise and give em to a kids special needs hospital.THATS the audience Lucas obviously made the prequels for.DONE
Good points dude...but man...it's just a movie 😉
Originally posted by vintageSW77
How can anyone big up THE Phantom Menace when you got Jar Jar in it pretty much non stop
its like someone crapping on your breakfast and saying "well there is crap all over my sausage and eggs but it still tastes ok "
Dude, that is HANDS DOWN the funniest thing I've ever heard on these boards. Oh man that's good. You rock.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Oh. So if you were to recommend either AOTC or Return of the Jedi to any old movie-goer, you would tell them to watch AOTC...because it's "great" and ROTJ is "crappy?"
im with you dude. im feeling weirded out that these guys are saying this. its like im hanging out with close life-long friends and all of the sudden they break out a crack pipe and start puffin away. W....T.....F...????? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
but i will respect you're opinions, those who claim rotj is crappy and beneath the PT.
my only rebuttal, with all due respect: you're frikin idiots
Originally posted by PVS
its like im hanging out with close life-long friends and all of the sudden they break out a crack pipe and start puffin away. W....T.....F...????? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
😆 😆 That's awesome.
What's with all the witty posts? Why can't I think of funny stuff like that?
...yeah it is kinda like that. Although I can see for lotsa guys saying you like a movie with a bunch of oversized teddy bears in it isn't the most macho thing in the world. It's like admitting to liking "Willow"...just the name sounds dorky.
...I like it though. 😮
was i pissed off this morning
the only problem with the PT is Lucas has TOTAL control and the final say
my bet he has the same thing that goes on in the Beyonce camp
Minion - "Miss Beyonce....dont you think your album B Day sounds like something you wash your ass in?"
Beyonce -"I dont want to see this snivelling slime in my face again"
You just know EVERYONE from John Knoll to the poor bast*rd who took a week to knock up a pic of a eopie or whatever the f**k they are called only to recieve the bum rush to Rick McCallum to Ben Burtt( the only guy to add disaproval...the true rebel in this story)ALL wanted to say "look George aint this a big pile of sh1t......dont you think that maybe we should get rid off the kid and give em more Vader later down the line???" "maybe we should have 50 thousand Jedi attacking on Geonosis instead of 50" ETC ETC
You can see the misery in their faces............the wasted opportunity.
You know why i know they are miserable???...cause i had the same look as i washed my hands looking at myself in the mirror EVERY time i visited the toliets after watching the PT in my local cinema.
Roll on the tv series though!