Originally posted by jrodslamok so kyle could aborbs the the power cosmic but surfer couldn't aborbs oan power lol WTF makes you think that? i see the power cosmic more powerful then oan energy and i have seen feats in comic s to back that thought up!
I assume you know that Kyle could absorb the cosmic energy right?Secondly, we dont know if Surfer would be able to TAKE the Oan power away from Kyle. We also dont know that IF he could, it would make him stronger. All speculation on your part.
Originally posted by Soljer
The Surfer being unable to get the infinity gauntlet from Thanos (in one particular dimension) isn't a showing of Surfer being UNABLE to travel at that speed, and have reflexes of that level....rather, it is just to show how good Thanos' reflexes are.Besides, I'm not arguing for a speedblitz. I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing, and that was the only argument brought up thus far.
I honestly see this as an AMAZING fight with a slight nod to the surfer.
Or rather to show Surfer doesn't/can't/won't/hasn't speedblitzed. In his 40 years of being a character, I've never seen him in a combat situation that would make me think "Hmm.... he'd pull a FLASH on that guy's ass!!!"
Anyway, why do you think Surfer takes a slight majority? Just for curiosity's sake...
Originally posted by mighty adam
ok so kyle could aborbs the the power cosmic but surfer couldn't aborbs oan power lol WTF makes you think that? i see the power cosmic more powerful then oan energy and i have seen feats in comic s to back that thought up!
Where pray-tell have you seen the Power Cosmic more powerful than Oan energy?
Originally posted by batdude123
Or rather to show Surfer doesn't/can't/won't/hasn't speedblitzed. In his 40 years of being a character, I've never seen him in a combat situation that would make me think "Hmm.... he'd pull a FLASH on that guy's ass!!!"Anyway, why do you think Surfer takes a slight majority? Just for curiosity's sake...
Looking at high showings, with their matter/energy manipulation feats being approximately equal, it really does come down to other statistics.
I will be the first to admit that the ring is a bit more versatile. It could summon all of the OA corps. Or could grant other super powers. Hell, even Oblivion was created by the ring, and he was friggin INTENSE. Not to mention the fact that the ring could create duplicates of Kyle AND duplicates of itself....
However, I don't think Kyle uses its full potential NEARLY often enough. Maybe it's just so the story will be an interesting read, but I can't STAND the most powerful weapon in the universe being used to create clowns to catch people, and boxing gloves to slap them around with. Or odd looking plasma rifles to break out of anothers' constructs. It's just so cartoonish, I suppose.
Kyle rarely seem serious in his use of his ring, 😬.
Originally posted by darthgoobernot just that oans have been kill befor but people on here talk like their in the big G's power range lol thier not even in the celestials. shit darkseid and his forces beat the shit out of gls and oans. sbp kill many gls brick superheros with just strength/speed has beat the dog shit out of gls( SUPERMAN ECT ECT). now i know hal or kyle is top tir gls but ss is on a higher lv plus the ring is based on will and none of them have the will to beat THE SILVER SURFER!
If Captain Marvel can manipulate Oan energy after getting a taste of it, it's safe to assume that Surfer can to.
Originally posted by Soljer
Looking at high showings, with their matter/energy manipulation feats being approximately equal, it really does come down to other statistics.I will be the first to admit that the ring is a bit more versatile. It could summon all of the OA corps. Or could grant other super powers. Hell, even Oblivion was created by the ring, and he was friggin INTENSE. Not to mention the fact that the ring could create duplicates of Kyle AND duplicates of itself....
However, I don't think Kyle uses its full potential NEARLY often enough. Maybe it's just so the story will be an interesting read, but I can't STAND the most powerful weapon in the universe being used to create clowns to catch people, and boxing gloves to slap them around with. Or odd looking plasma rifles to break out of anothers' constructs. It's just so cartoonish, I suppose.
Kyle rarely seem serious in his use of his ring, 😬.
Ah.
Well Kyle is easily the most creative Green Lantern due to him being an artist before becoming one. It's not exactly out of the question here for him to be fighting in tip-top shape, and using his creative brain to find a way.
Originally posted by batdude123
Ah.Well Kyle is easily the most creative Green Lantern due to him being an artist before becoming one. It's not exactly out of the question here for him to be fighting in tip-top shape, and using his creative brain to find a way.
No doubt. It's just the fights on KMC, while they exclude PIS, still are IN CHARACTER.
And in character, I could see Kyle trying to hit the Surfer with a giant boxing glove, to have the Surfer dance around it on his board. Followed with Kyle trying to trap the surfer in a weak cage construct. The Surfer breaks free, they trade some blasts, Kyle fools around some more....and then the serious 'upgraded & endowed with the fighter's spirit' surfer takes him.
If we were assuming that Kyle was using 100% of the potential held within the ring? Kyle. 10/10.
Originally posted by batdude123i don't have a scaner thats way i don't post scans but high lv cosmic beings are greater then any i mean ANY gl or oan. look at odin/marvel, the big G, celestial, tyrant. oans are more the watchers or elders of the u.
Where pray-tell have you seen the Power Cosmic more powerful than Oan energy?
Originally posted by Soljeronly ion or in a rare case that a gl us full pontential of the ring but its still based on will and hal kyle and other have shown when fight powerfull beings like supes and others thier will gose down. and fighting the ss it will go WAY down.
No doubt. It's just the fights on KMC, while they exclude PIS, still are IN CHARACTER.And in character, I could see Kyle trying to hit the Surfer with a giant boxing glove, to have the Surfer dance around it on his board. Followed with Kyle trying to trap the surfer in a weak cage construct. The Surfer breaks free, they trade some blasts, Kyle fools around some more....and then the serious 'upgraded & endowed with the fighter's spirit' surfer takes him.
If we were assuming that Kyle was using 100% of the potential held within the ring? Kyle. 10/10.
Originally posted by mighty adam
only ion or in a rare case that a gl us full pontential of the ring but its still based on will and hal kyle and other have shown when fight powerfull beings like supes and others thier will gose down. and fighting the ss it will go WAY down.
Green Lanterns only go down to Superman because they job to the S-shield. Every DC character has to do it.
Hell, the entire CORPS had to Job to Superboy Prime....
Originally posted by Soljer
No doubt. It's just the fights on KMC, while they exclude PIS, still are IN CHARACTER.And in character, I could see Kyle trying to hit the Surfer with a giant boxing glove, to have the Surfer dance around it on his board. Followed with Kyle trying to trap the surfer in a weak cage construct. The Surfer breaks free, they trade some blasts, Kyle fools around some more....and then the serious 'upgraded & endowed with the fighter's spirit' surfer takes him.
If we were assuming that Kyle was using 100% of the potential held within the ring? Kyle. 10/10.
I see what you're saying. However, you're mainly describing Kyle as a rookie. He was headstrong and used cheap, retarded constructs in order to get the job done.
However, as a seasoned veteran... he's easily Hal's =. THAT Kyle would take a majority.
Originally posted by batdude123
I see what you're saying. However, you're mainly describing Kyle as a rookie. He was headstrong and used cheap, retarded constructs in order to get the job done.However, as a seasoned veteran... he's easily Hal's =. THAT Kyle would take a majority.
See, against the rookie version, I see the Surfer mopping up. With Hal's equal? (arguably Hal's Superior?) I see the 5/10 draw or the slight edge to Surfer.
Originally posted by Rewmac
Wolverine against characters like SS and Thanos is just makin' me scream...I mean what more do they want from him??? To destroy multiverses and then recreate that with a Claw Slash??
2008 buddy wait still 2008 😉
Oh and Kyle wins with no pis just based on abilities and possibilities he wins.
Those scan looks more like Kyle continuesly blastin SS with a stream of OA energies rather than giving it to him.. I mean he got freakin knocked out of his board.. And when your at your limits and cant contain that much energies best way to get rid of it is pure concentrated blast.. Then SS took it from there.. Not only did he absorb those energies but controlled it... Definetly didnt look like it was given... Not sayin SS could absorb it directly from the ring/ vice versa with Kyle
but as far as absorbing concentrated blast SS trumps Kyle...
Also in regards to GL's auto shield/construct they are powered/strenghted by the amount of will power the bearer gives.. This is why some GL's could contain the spark of the Universe yet still manage to be injured or there shields broken because of lack of will power behind its construct... And on that regard auto shielding is not as powerfull as a contruct without the bearer will behind it. Those blits would be too fast for Kyle to strengten those auto shields. And Yes SS has speedblitz before... Not that Kyle could be easily beaten that way..lol
Reaction time from Kyle again is done by the ring, it takes time for the information to travel ring to Kyle/Kyle to ring, something SS have a slight advangtage off..