Kyle Rayner Vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Soljer
I'm not the one arguing it. I merely stated that the Surfer HAS reacted 'instantaneously' before. He has travelled GREAT distances in 'near instan[ces]'. To say that he COULDN'T speedblitz someone just as quickly is a baseless argument.

I said it was unlikely due to Kyle's shields forming nearly instantly.

and alot of this depends where the fight takes place. On a planet Surfer would be much slower, and Kyle's shields could form well before Surfer could harm him. If the fight is in space, then......well........ Kyle's shield will already be up.

Either way Kyle's shield will be up before he is harmed IMO..

Originally posted by Galan777
Did I say Surfer couldn't speedblitz Kyle?

I said it was unlikely due to Kyle's shields forming nearly instantly.

and alot of this depends where the fight takes place. On a planet Surfer would be much slower, and Kyle's shields could form well before Surfer could harm him. If the fight is in space, then......well........ Kyle's shield will already be up.

Either way Kyle's shield will be up..

That was only shown to be true on earth as Surfer was worried about human lives.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
That was only shown to be true on earth as Surfer was worried about human lives.

Tell me, where have the majority of Surfers Great Speed feats taken place?

Originally posted by Soljer
And the Surfer has travelled across galaxies in a 'near instant'

😬.

I don't think that equates to 'speedblitz' on Surfers part.

For instance...he does so on his board...Lobo does the exact same thing on his motorbike and nobody yells speedblitz.

Surfer has his manipulation tricks...Even if he can't suck the energy from Kyle he can manipulate that energy.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Surfer has his manipulation tricks...Even if he can't suck the energy from Kyle he can manipulate that energy.

SS has not shown the ability to manipulate Oan energy, it was given to him, but without it being given to him he was unable to manipulate it in anyway.

Kyle has shown to be able to absorb and manipulate cosmic energy on a grand scale, even a cosmic cube.

Originally posted by Galan777
nah, on a planet with gravity a character is always slower then when they are in the vacuum of space.

Tell me, where have the majority of Surfers Great Speed feats taken place?

Tell me, where is Surfer the majority of the time?

Originally posted by Galan777
nah, on a planet with gravity a character is always slower then when they are in the vacuum of space.

Tell me, where have the majority of Surfers Great Speed feats taken place?

Obviously in space. If he accelerated on earth... he'd kill tons of people.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Tell me, where is Surfer the majority of the time?

On a Planet (which wasn't specified) Surfer is going to be slower then when he is in space, (so Kyle's shield would beat Surfer to the punch) unless you can provide a pannel to prove this wrong.

Originally posted by Board Walker
SS has not shown the ability to manipulate Oan energy, it was given to him, but without it being given to him he was unable to manipulate it in anyway.

Kyle has shown to be able to absorb and manipulate cosmic energy on a grand scale, even a cosmic cube.

I know that. And very true. And Kyle has shown feat and strenght that he can fight the big dogs...Supposly if he is fast enough...But we don't know what effects would it take if current Surfer would unleash himself on him. It can go to a big fight.

Originally posted by Galan777
All im saying is that we have no speedblitz feats to which we can judge Surfer.

So to say he could Speedblitz Kyle before the shield went up (instantly) is a pointless argument.

Didn't SS speedblitz Terrax in the New Warriors. I am pretty sure he came out of nowhere, swooped down, picked Terrax up and then deposited him on a distant planet.

Also, Adam Warlock has confidence in SS speedblitz ability. In the IG SS was held in reserve for that specific purpose. Granted his speedblitz didn't work in 616 (it did in another) but this obviously shows something. Afterall, he got closer to gaining the gauntlet than anyone else did. Thanos even realized that it was too close.

I am also just going off the top of my head here.

You could also say he speedblitzed the annihillation wave when he jumps our of Galactus' hand.

I think there are some good examples of SS speedblitz.

Check out this web page, it has a good listing of some of Silver Surfer's feats:
http://www.geocities.com/bruno_nojunk/

Specifically here at the parts that would apply:

Surfer is no joke, especially now that Galactus has stripped away his pacifist attitude.

I don't think Kyle will be giving any energy away in this fight.

Originally posted by Validus
I don't think Kyle will be giving any energy away in this fight.

Yeah but it proves that SS can absorb it.

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Yeah but it proves that SS can absorb it.

GL's can absorb energy too.

Originally posted by Validus
GL's can absorb energy too.

Originally posted by Validus
Yeah, if it's given to him.

GL's can absorb energy too.

Yeah it seems everybody is forgetting this.

And trusting crossovers isn't exactly the real thing. 😛

Kyle is a creative one....He can come up with something. And the Power Ring is a strong weapon. Okay Silver can absorb energy. Kyle can too. Or Kyle could just weaken Surfer's life form and create an army of Silver Surfer's 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Galan777
A point that most seem to be ignoring

I was not ignoring that, but it seemed like many people here were doubting whether SS could absorb GL energy. I haven't seen too many posts where people say GL can't absorb energy.

Also, no response to my speedblitz examples? Not saying he would do it, but he has shown the ability.

Speedblitz....Hmm...If they are in space Kyle's barrier is up and the ring can react faster to the speedblitz than Kyle. That won't really work.

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Also, no response to my speedblitz examples? Not saying he would do it, but he has shown the ability.