Satan - The Prince of Darkness

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Meh - Satan only has as much power as we let him have over us - for as it is written - "Greater is he who is of me - than he who is of the world"

So no man(nor demon) really has any real power over us. One must be responsable for themselves.

So then there is no such thing as temptation ? 🤨

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
the devil cant be proved scientifically the devil you find in religions so u have to believe ur religon and hope its the truth

This is what I have been waiting for. You admit you do not know the Truth. Thank you for your honestly, our conflict ends now.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So then there is no such thing as temptation ? 🤨

There is temptation - but one can control themselves. Satan is responsible for the temptation, but we are responsable for either accepting or rejecting it. No man is perfect though - and God realizes this. That's why God sent Jesus down. Jesus being God - was the only person who could completely resist every one of Satan's temptations - and allow man to be gracefully forgiven by(and reunited with) his creator.

The second quote was actually taken from muslim scholar - not myself. Not sure if this is a willful misrepresentation or not, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt(just this once).

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
There is temptation - but one can control themselves. Satan is responsible for the temptation, but we are responsable for either accepting or rejecting it. No man is perfect though - and God realizes this. That's why God sent Jesus down. Jesus being God - was the only person who could completely resist every one of Satan's temptations - and allow man to be gracefully forgiven by(and reunited with) his creator.

Seems pretty logical, if you closed your mind to this myth....

Mankind is collectively responsible for thier own actions and for the consequences that occur. Satan does not exist. There is no tempter, there is only the urge to hurt others.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
The second quote was actually taken from muslim scholar - not myself. Not sure if this is a willful misrepresentation or not, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt(just this once).

Oh, how Merciful of you 🙄

usagi, have you ever participated in a blood orgy?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Seems pretty logical, if you closed your mind to this myth....

Mankind is collectively responsible for thier own actions and for the consequences that occur. Satan does not exist. There is no tempter, there is only the urge to hurt others.

There's an old saying that goes something like this --

"The biggest deception Satan attempts to use to fool mankind - is to prove that he doesn't exist"

I know you're familiar with that one Urizen..He..He..

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Oh, how Merciful of you 🙄

Meh - we're all under God's mercy right now. I just try to follow his example. And try to display this mercy to others - as much as he's demonstrated this mercy to me(even though none of us really deserve mercy.)

Originally posted by PVS
usagi, have you ever participated in a blood orgy?

droolio droolio droolio droolio droolio droolio

OMG !!!!!! THAT SH*T ROCKS MY SOCKS !!!!!

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
There's an old saying that goes something like this --

"The biggest deception Satan attempts to use to fool mankind - is to prove that he doesn't exist"

I know you're familiar with that one Urizen..He..He..

There's a new saying that goes something like this--

"The Biggest Failure God has done- is trying to prove that he does exist"

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Meh - we're all under God's mercy right now. I just try to follow his example. And try to display this mercy to others - as much as he's demonstrated this mercy to me(even though none of us really deserve mercy.)

This whole "We only Deserve Eternal Torment and Suffering"concept of yours is what makes your religion and Faith, not only non-progressive, but dangerous as well.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
There's a new saying that goes something like this--

"The Biggest Failure God has done- is trying to prove that he does exist"

Meh - that was kind of weak. Anyway - the evidence is all around us. God has no need to *prove* anything to anyone. He's already instilled an awareness of his existence - within all of his creations. Again - as I've stated many times before(to you and others) we either choose to accept or reject him. It's that simple.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
This whole "We only Deserve Eternal Torment and Suffering"concept of yours is what makes your religion and Faith, not only non-progressive, but dangerous as well.

Meh - not really. One can know that they deserve to be punished for doing wrong - all the while knowing that the God they worhsip is merciful and loving. The first step in receiving God's mercy, however, is admitting that one has done wrong(or sinned). The next step - is asking for God's forgiveness. God is very graceful in granting forgiveness, as he does not like to see anyone suffer. Still - God is no fool, and he knows that it is pointless(and not very wise) to show mercy to one who is not willing to(or simply refuses to) change their sinful behaviour - particularly an individual who has their heart set on defying God(as well as harming those who willfully serve/love him.)

Originally posted by muslimscholar
the Satan is evil he is trying to make us do bad things
as Allah says in the Quran
(The Pagans), leaving Him, call but upon female deities: They call but upon Satan the persistent rebel!

Though in realities a deity would have NO sex at all...It could be considered a combination of both attributes, and I say attributes because both male and female have both. And combined they would equal the totalness of what some believe god is as is taught in the Kaballah and the Gnostic's...Also in the OT as in th Psalms David takes about wisdom being like a god and many churches say that this wisdom is Jesus, but in scripture it is of a feminine noun.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Actually - the *mitigating factors* involve only man's perception of a situation. God can see clearly into all(situations) - and they are all considered black or white to him. So in laman's terms - one has either commited a sin(according to God's judgement) - or they have not(from God's perspective.)

Well then, I guess it is a good thing I was talking about human law.

But as I stated before - God is a righteous and merciful judge. We all deserve *Hell* in his eyes - because of our sin(s) - but being that he is a loving God - he is truly *merciful* with us, choosing to overlook all of these sins - so long as we come to him with a repentent spirt(a spirit that allows one to take culpability for their actions).

So we have the assumption:

"Everybody deserves Hell"

Ok then, does everyone on earth deserve to be in Jail? Apparently not. Not everyone is a criminal, and not everyone has committed a crime that would qualify them for incarceration. Now we have Hell - apparently every person on earth has committed a God crime that qualifies them for eternal incaration, torture, pain, and various other sadistic things.

Now list the most common "God crimes" (lets call them sins) that individual humans commit - they would seem to be things such as "coveting" or "worshipping false idols" - it isn't things such as murder, or theft or rape. These are from the 10 commandments.

Then we have sins - oh yes, people can be prideful, wrathful, envious, lustful... of course such emotions, for the majority of humanity, don't lead them to doing bad things.

And I will say, in my human opinion, in my philosophical opinion... that I think the whole "humans deserve Hell" is absolute crap, based upon the "sins" the common, average person will have committed in life. The idea that a person gets an eternity of sadistic torture in the bowels of hell because they were prideful or were Atheists is garbage. Should these people be in jail on earth?

No.

And if they don't deserve to be punished by human law (since their so called crimes would be absurd - "Mr. Smith, the defendant, is accused of coveting his neighbours ass. I believe the only appropriate sentence is - life in prison, and daily torture."😉 I wonder about it being punished by divine law. I could understand murder, rape and such. But the majority of people who "deserve hell" are apparently deserving it for the most weak of reasons.

Meh - not really. One can know that they deserve to be punished for doing wrong - all the while knowing that the God they worhsip is merciful and loving. The first step in receiving God's mercy, however, is admitting that one has done wrong(or sinned). The next step - is asking for God's forgiveness. God is very graceful in granting forgiveness, as he does not like to see anyone suffer. Still - God is no fool, and he knows that it is pointless(and not very wise) to show mercy to one who is not willing to(or simply refuses to) change their sinful behaviour - particularly an individual who has their heart set on defying God(as well as harming those who willfully serve/love him.)

I am a firm believe in justice and the law - when it is right. Oh yes, we should be punished for our wrongs. But sensibly. I wouldn't dream of sentencing a shop lifter to life imprisonment and torture. Likewise I wouldn't convict a person for abstract things like "worshipping idols." It gives me no comfort of confidence in claims of "humans deserve Hell", because in my opinion most don't. especially not for the absurd things they would end up there for - which is bascially not being of the correct club.

It seems the sin is irrelevant - you yourself have said God is happy to overlook it as long as you come to him on your knees. So basically everyone who ends up in hell isn't there because of any sin they committed - it is because they didn't join God's club. Sounds more like the punishment of political prisoners then the punishment of crimes.

A political prisoner can end up in jail on trumped up and absurd charges, but he/she is really there because she didn't toe the tyrants line.

the devil cant be proved scientifically the devil you find in religions so u have to believe ur religon and hope its the truth

Well, that gives me even less reason to want to find religion "lets find religion in the hopes Satan is real!" How about lets not.

usagi, have you ever participated in a blood orgy?

Does Chicken blood count?

.... What? 😕

Originally posted by JacopeX
2. Ill prove that atheist have killed the most people throughout history

You still never proved this ya dumbass.....

i guess the keyword search of "atheists" and "killed the most people" turned up bone dry at wikipedia

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You still never proved this ya dumbass.....

why is it.......debs cant complete.................single sentence...............ever

The Atlantic salty sea does something to you??

I understand myself quit fine. myths arent always just stories, but some factual basis for some part of it as all....

Is
Was
Could of been
would of been
Did it
Done and gone with it now.

Expanded upon................Kinda like Jesus........Oh my go..did I just say that!!

*prays in corner*

Dragons, elves, faires...etc..etc.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Well then, I guess it is a good thing I was talking about human law.

*Sigh*

Where do you think "human law" is derived from?

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
So we have the assumption:

"Everybody deserves Hell"

Precisely.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Ok then, does everyone on earth deserve to be in Jail?

Yes - according to "God's law" we most certainly do. And if one thinks of the term *jail* in a metophorical sense - this earth(under the authourity of Satan) is technically speaking - somewhat of a jail(seeing as how we have been forcibly seperated from God.) Unfortunately - the trap or the deception put in place by Satan, makes this *jail* look extremely appeasing to those not seeking God. But despite the pleasures one may find in this prison called life - we must never forget - that our true purpose here - is to be re-united with the one who created us.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Apparently not. Not everyone is a criminal, and not everyone has committed a crime that would qualify them for incarceration. Now we have Hell - apparently every person on earth has committed a God crime that qualifies them for eternal incaration, torture, pain, and various other sadistic things.

Again - we all deserve "jail" and we all are "criminals" according to God's law. I am of a strong believe, however, that God is loving and merciful -and by having faith in his sacrafice on the cross...we can all be pardoned of our crimes.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Now list the most common "God crimes" (lets call them sins) that individual humans commit - they would seem to be things such as "coveting" or "worshipping false idols" - it isn't things such as murder, or theft or rape. These are from the 10 commandments.

1-a Thou shalt not kill
I-b Thou shalt not steal
I-c Thou shalt not bear false witness

These are only but a few. All of these *commandments* have been incorporated into "man's laws" as well. So all of the authourity that we have in place right now - was actually put in place by God.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Then we have sins - oh yes, people can be prideful, wrathful, envious, lustful... of course such emotions, for the majority of humanity, don't lead them to doing bad things.

And I will say, in my human opinion, in my philosophical opinion... that I think the whole "humans deserve Hell" is absolute crap, based upon the "sins" the common, average person will have committed in life. The idea that a person gets an eternity of sadistic torture in the bowels of hell because they were prideful or were Atheists is garbage. Should these people be in jail on earth?

Again - they already are in "jail." Some understand this inherent helpless condition we are in(a condition brought on by sin.) Others don't. Point being - everyone's in the same situation. However - some would rather choose to get out of this situation, by gracefully accepting their God given get out of jail free card(Christ).

On another note: Did you attempt to read the bible using the method I suggested last time?

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
*Sigh*

Where do you think "human law" is derived from?

Humans perhaps? Since we have only a textual claim God gave laws to Moses, and we certainly have societies with laws long before that (Egypt and older) so unless God was giving laws to pagans they were making them themselves.

Precisely.

And Atheists are accused to bleakness. I love the fact the largest love cults (Christianity and Islam) have so many people who believe in the fundamental rottenness of humanity.

Thank the stars we have had thinkers who give people a bit more credit, otherwise we would likely be sitting around in caves self flagellating our foul, sinful bodies.

Yes - according to "God's law" we most certainly do. And if one thinks of the term *jail* in a metophorical sense - this earth(under the authourity of Satan) is technically speaking - somewhat of a jail(seeing as how we have been forcibly seperated from God.) Unfortunately - the trap or the deception put in place by Satan, makes this *jail* look extremely appeasing to those not seeking God. But despite the pleasures one may find in this prison called life - we must never forget - that our true purpose here - is to be re-united with the one who created us.

Gets better and better. Now earth is a jail as well. Good old God and his mastercraft prison.

But really, I was talking about walls and barbed wire. Give me the kind of sentences you'd give to a prideful person? Life? What about an adulator? Death obviously. And what about someone who feels envious? Solitary confinement forever. Tell me how our legal systems would fare under religious law?

Again - we all deserve "jail" and we all are "criminals" according to God's law. I am of a strong believe, however, that God is loving and merciful -and by having faith in his sacrafice on the cross...we can all be pardoned of our crimes.

Awwww, isn't that nice.

1-a Thou shalt not kill
I-b Thou shalt not steal
I-c Thou shalt not bear false witness

Really? Calling up the Australian Bureau of statistics... well, killing is not really up there. Stealing certainly is, but killing? And arguably the majority of the people in Australia are not thieves nor killers, yet a good % will apparently be going to hell. The majority of people going to Hell in this day and age are not going to be there for committing murder.

These are only but a few. All of these *commandments* have been incorporated into "man's laws" as well. So all of the authourity that we have in place right now - was actually put in place by God.

Not really, as above - history, man made laws etc.

On another note: Did you attempt to read the bible using the method I suggested last time?

And what method was that?

Originally posted by JacopeX
Wrong. Wrong, and Ultimately Wrong

1. Im not being ignorant at all

2. Ill prove that atheist have killed the most people throughout history

1. Yes, you are.

2. Where would you go about getting said information?

Originally posted by JacopeX 1. Look down at youre key board

2. Do you see the "G" Next to the "F"?........Yes you do

1. It's your, not you're. Learn to use pronouns and contractions properly.

2. It's called a typo, dumbass.

bif deal

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So then there is no such thing as temptation ? 🤨

This is what I have been waiting for. You admit you do not know the Truth. Thank you for your honestly, our conflict ends now.

i know the truth the quran is my guidance it is all true but u dont know the truth u hav no guidance