Kas'im versus Yoda

Started by King Adas11 pages
There's no proof? He was the dark Lord of the Sith before HE declared them equal. Kaan was powerful and skilled, hence him, an ex-Jedi Master, taking over. The Kaan we see later, the paranoid, cringing Kaan, is not the charismatic, powerful Kaan of yesteryear, before Hoth defeated him.

lol Ok, where's all this coming from? I never heard any of this.

And stop this 'up to interpretation,' Bullshit. It's not. It's direct, canon and approved.

Well it is, it contains all the elements of free indirect discourse.

Oh, and who's stronger with the Force? Yoda or Bane? Yoda can use the force to lift guns the size of houses and half a mountainside....

Bane was able to destroy the Rakatan temple with one force attack, and very likely used TK to pull the moon closer to Onderon. Yoda's display of TK in AOTC and ROTS was pathetic in the relative scheme of things.

and what's so special about Yoda? I dunno, his containing of the Dark Side, ability to take three Jedi masters at once, destroy armies...

Could you please elaborate?

Please, Sithari...
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Originally posted by Lightsnake
Which means what? How'll that give him the edge whatsoever? Last I checked, Yoda could stand against a Vaapad master, that could give him the edge...

Ok wonderful, Yoda can stand up against a Vaapad master, and that guarantees victory how? Look at the facts. Yoda DIDNT defeat Sidious who was out of practice for 13 years. How is Yoda going to defeat someone who's trained his entire life with a saber and has more saber skills than him?

Originally posted by King Adas
[B]lol Ok, where's all this coming from? I never heard any of this.

Read up on the subject, perhaps

Well it is, it contains all the elements of free indirect discourse. [/Quote]
It contains elements of "I don't want to believe it, so it can't be." Really


Bane was able to destroy the Rakatan temple with one force attack, and very likely used TK to pull the moon closer to Onderon. Yoda's display of TK in AOTC and ROTS was pathetic in the relative scheme of things.
Yet Young Yoda likely killed Bane and Yoda never exerted himself once in the movies.

Funny that.


Could you please elaborate?

Contained the Dark Side presence of planets on Dagobah and others
Destroyed droid armies on his own...
And others

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Ok wonderful, Yoda can stand up against a Vaapad master, and that guarantees victory how? Look at the facts. Yoda DIDNT defeat Sidious who was out of practice for 13 years. How is Yoda going to defeat someone who's trained his entire life with a saber and has more saber skills than him?

Lol.

Yoda's trained with a saber for 900 years. Shadowhunter shows he does so dilligently and completely. So, Yoda's ALSO trained with his entire life with a saber...how much longer is that? Since when does Kas'im have more saber skills? Has he efeated armies on his own? I think not...

and Yoda can defeat someone with skills Kas'im doesn't have, so? And Jedi at the temple mastered the use ofDBLs and Jar'KRai...you really think Yoda wouldn't have known how to deal with that?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Ok wonderful, Yoda can stand up against a Vaapad master, and that guarantees victory how? Look at the facts. Yoda DIDNT defeat Sidious who was out of practice for 13 years. How is Yoda going to defeat someone who's trained his entire life with a saber and has more saber skills than him?

Lol.

Yoda's trained with a saber for 900 years. Shadowhunter shows he does so dilligently and completely. So, Yoda's ALSO trained with his entire life with a saber...how much longer is that? Since when does Kas'im have more saber skills? Has he efeated armies on his own? I think not...

and Yoda can defeat someone with skills Kas'im doesn't have, so? And Jedi at the temple mastered the use ofDBLs and Jar'KRai...you really think Yoda wouldn't have known how to deal with that?

Read up on the subject, perhaps

Could you at least give a source? None of this was in PoD, JVS, BOTS, or Darkness Shared.

Dark Forces saga, the novelization of Jedi Knight,

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Lol.

Yoda's trained with a saber for 900 years. Shadowhunter shows he does so dilligently and completely. So, Yoda's ALSO trained with his entire life with a saber...how much longer is that? Since when does Kas'im have more saber skills? Has he efeated armies on his own? I think not...

and Yoda can defeat someone with skills Kas'im doesn't have, so? And Jedi at the temple mastered the use ofDBLs and Jar'KRai...you really think Yoda wouldn't have known how to deal with that?

Double post lightsnake.. And stop saying Kas'im doesn't have the skills. He has the jar'kai skills and Double bladed skills Yoda doesn't have.

Which means jack as Bane didn't have DBL skills and managed to counter Kas'im completely there. And Vader was shown to counter a Jedi Brutes DBL skills...
Once more: OTher Jedi knew those skills. Think Yoda didn't practice with them?
Yoda's shown himself quite a bit faster and more skilled. Having an extra adaptation or two won't help Kas'im

Contained the Dark Side presence of planets on Dagobah and others

Substantiate this.

Destroyed droid armies on his own...
And others

Source? How big were these 'armies', how did he do it?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Which means jack as Bane didn't have DBL skills and managed to counter Kas'im completely there. And Vader was shown to counter a Jedi Brutes DBL skills...
Once more: OTher Jedi knew those skills. Think Yoda didn't practice with them?
Yoda's shown himself quite a bit faster and more skilled. Having an extra adaptation or two won't help Kas'im

I am NOT saying Yoda doesn't know them, I'm saying Kas'im mastered those techniques, while there's nothing to suggest Yoda did.

Why would Yoda bother? You're saying that those will allow Kas'im to win when Yoda can likely defend himself well enough from them
Kas'im even said their main strengths were to confuse opponents

And Vader was shown to counter a Jedi Brutes DBL skills...
Once more: OTher Jedi knew those skills.

Source for this, you do realise that the ROTS VG isn't canon?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Why would Yoda bother? You're saying that those will allow Kas'im to win when Yoda can likely defend himself well enough from them
Kas'im even said their main strengths were to confuse opponents

I'm saying Kas'im has mastered more in the lightsaber arts than Yoda, which might give him the victory.

Jedi Brutes are canon.

And in Purge, Vader is shown fighting Jastus Ferr, AKA a Jedi Brute.

Oh and:

Yoda confined the Dark Side energies on Dagobah: Thrawn Trilogy, Heart of Darkness, common SW knowledge

NEC confirms Yoda destroys a droid armies on his own. With his saber

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I'm saying Kas'im has mastered more in the lightsaber arts than Yoda, which might give him the victory.

Mastering an extra style when Yoda can likely defend against both won't be enough to put him above, though

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Mastering an extra style when Yoda can likely defend against both won't be enough to put him above, though

Ah so you say yoda can likely defend against these styles without proof. Yet Kas'im knows all the styles Yoda will throw at him and was SHOWN to use force speed in a duel, so Yoda has no advantage in a saber fight.

And in Purge, Vader is shown fighting Jastus Ferr, AKA a Jedi Brute.

I don't remember him fighting with a saberstaff.

NEC confirms Yoda destroys a droid armies on his own. With his saber

tNEC is in-universe, and cannot be used as a source as the narrator's PoV is fallible.

Wait, wait, wait...Yoda is able to move so fast against THREE masters at once, Vaapad master INCLUDED, that he barely seems to move at all....how do you think he moves? Force speed.

Oh, and last I checked: Yoda kept heavily in shape and ability. You really think a DBL and Jar'krai would surprise him? Even hinder him overmuch?

And Adas, if you're done being stupid: TNEC is well canon like any essential guide, tells the exact account of the battle- oh, wait, did Obi-wan not fight at Muunilist either?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jastus_Farr

Albeit, Wiki, but in absence of a picture...

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Wait, wait, wait...Yoda is able to move so fast against THREE masters at once, Vaapad master INCLUDED, that he barely seems to move at all....how do you think he moves? Force speed.

Oh, and last I checked: Yoda kept heavily in shape and ability. You really think a DBL and Jar'krai would surprise him? Even hinder him overmuch?

And Adas, if you're done being stupid: TNEC is well canon like any essential guide, tells the exact account of the battle- oh, wait, did Obi-wan not fight at Muunilist either?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jastus_Farr

Albeit, Wiki, but in absence of a picture...

You have still not made a case for Yoda. I've at least stated that Kas'im's saber knowledge is above Yoda's.