Originally posted by Lightsnake
And that's making a case?Once again: According to Kas'im, force mastery will aid your saber abilities.
Can KAs'im defeat armies on his own? Yoda can. Can Kas'im face down a Vaapad master and two other masters without trying? Yoda can
And again, Yoda was not able to overcome Sidious, so what makes you think he will overcome someone better with a sword that has spent his whole life sword fighting?
Mastery of the saber
Kas'im - mastered all 7 forms including Vaapad for the wielding of a single saber, saberstaff, and the dual sabers. He switches up between these giving him a unique style. He also may have possible mastered more such as the lightwhip, sabercane, saber fork etc. and kept it secret.
Yoda - Mastered Ataru, and most probably a few others considering he was at one time the order's chief lightsaber instructor.
Skill
Kas'im - Incredible physical condition, uncanny reflexes.
Yoda - So small that he wields Ataru in a unique way, and uses the force to augment his physical attributes to an incredible extent while dueling.
Force Mastery
Kas'im - Due to the fact that he redirected Bane's wave of force energy that as capable of collapsing the entire Rakatan temple, he is most likely very strong in the force. This would most likely benefit him in duels (augmenting physical attributes, reflexes, etc.); his incredible reflexes are testament to this. He is also able to utilise force speed while in a duel.
Yoda - Very strong in the force, his degree of augmenting his speed and agility while dueling is the highest we have ever seen in SW.
Experience
Kas'im - Spent decades mastering and refining the saber styles, taught and sparred with students at the academy on Korriban for about 5 years, prioritised practising on his saber skills (in other words, he made the most out of his time and practiced as much as he could on his skills, whereas Yoda would spend much time meditating on the force for example) and in terms of real life and death duels, he fought and defeated both Bane and his master.
Yoda - 900 years of experience (little spent on his lightsaber skills during his later years to be fair), consisting of sparring with his fellow jedi, teaching younglings, and in terms of real life battle situations, fought Count Dooku twice, fought Sidious and he was stated to have fought a few others.
I'd say logic points to Kas'im winning this.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
More experience, more knowledge of techniques=better.
Once again, you throw your argument around as proof.
Mastery of the saberKas'im - mastered all 7 forms including Vaapad for the wielding of a single saber, saberstaff, and the dual sabers. He switches up between these giving him a unique style. He also may have possible mastered more such as the lightwhip, sabercane, saber fork etc. and kept it secret.
Yoda - Mastered Ataru, and most probably a few others considering he was at one time the order's chief lightsaber instructor.
He masteed all seven. Legacy of the Jedi, kthx. Oh, and Kas'im didn't have a 'unique style,' he just used different ones. That's not unique.
SkillKas'im - Incredible physical condition, uncanny reflexes.
Yoda - So small that he wields Ataru in a unique way, and uses the force to augment his physical attributes to an incredible extent while dueling.
Force MasteryKas'im - Due to the fact that he redirected Bane's wave of force energy that as capable of collapsing the entire Rakatan temple, he is most likely very strong in the force. This would most likely benefit him in duels (augmenting physical attributes, reflexes, etc.); his incredible reflexes are testament to this. He is also able to utilise force speed while in a duel.
Yoda - Very strong in the force, his degree of augmenting his speed and agility while dueling is the highest we have ever seen in SW.
ExperienceKas'im - Spent decades mastering and refining the saber styles, taught and sparred with students at the academy on Korriban for about 5 years, prioritised practising on his saber skills (in other words, he made the most out of his time and practiced as much as he could on his skills, whereas Yoda would spend much time meditating on the force for example) and in terms of real life and death duels, he fought and defeated both Bane and his master.
Yoda - 900 years of experience (little spent on his lightsaber skills during his later years to be fair), consisting of sparring with his fellow jedi, teaching younglings, and in terms of real life battle situations, fought Count Dooku twice, fought Sidious and he was stated to have fought a few others.
Kas'im EVEN SAID force mastery is linked to saber skills. Last I checked, Kas'im lost the fight by virtue of being crushed beneath rubble.
Could KAs'im defeat three Jedi Masters simultaneously without even looking like he was moving?
Kas'im goes down and goes down HARD. In an all out fight, he cannot win
Originally posted by Lightsnake
His knowledge is greater? His experience is greater? Lat I checked, Palp and Yoda were vigorous practioners their entire lives and had a much better knowledge base.Once again, you throw your argument around as proof.
He masteed all seven. Legacy of the Jedi, kthx. Oh, and Kas'im didn't have a 'unique style,' he just used different ones. That's not unique.So, Yoda>Kas'im here, thanks
Stronger than Yoda in the force? Dream on,
Now this is just being intentionally idiotic.
Kas'im EVEN SAID force mastery is linked to saber skills. Last I checked, Kas'im lost the fight by virtue of being crushed beneath rubble.
Could KAs'im defeat three Jedi Masters simultaneously without even looking like he was moving?
Kas'im goes down and goes down HARD. In an all out fight, he cannot win
Mastery of the saber:
Kas'Im: Has all forms mastered (save Vaapad, of course), and uses patterns and sequences when fighting.
Yoda: 900 years of experience. Dodged 3 Jedi Masters with no saber, one of which was a Vaapad master. Trained Dooku. Took on Dooku, Sidious, and Mace has said than he is like a Padawan compared to Yoda (not necessarily just in reference to saber combat).
Skill:
Kas'Im- Great reflexes, strong, conditioned.
Yoda- Unique use of Ataru. A very offensive style, but he lacks no defence thanks to his size and precision.
Force Mastery:
Kas'Im- Lacking. Used a force push on Bane to little effect. Blocked a moderately powerful force push once, but was crushed by a Temple. What people fail to realize is that Temple was 4,000-5,000 years old, and, probably not that sturdy. A few solid kicks to the wall could probably have brought it down. Also, just because you can block it, doesn't mean you are even on par with the person who you block the attack from (See Obi Wan blocking Dooku's lightning).
Yoda- 900 years of practice with the second highest potential in the order (next to Anakin). Has actually done impressive things with the force (like stopped and thrown back that senate pod).He has a lot of EU credit too (like being a master of Battle meditation and such) 'Nuff said.
Experience:
Kas'Im- a few decades and instructing.
Yoda- 800+ years worth of instructing. Probably went on missions as all Jedi do. Clone Wars along with many other conflicts.
Oh yeah, and Yoda is the most powerful Jedi until Luke comes around.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Do you even understand what a hyperbole is? I guess not. Oh and I forgot, Yoda being "The strongest foe darkness has ever known" equates to him in battle with ANYBODY. Oh wait, it doesn't. See THATS hyperbole. The author clearly explains that Kas'im is the greatest of the new sith order, the perfect warrior, mastered all 7 forms of combat, while Yoda didn't do it with Jar'kai or a double blade. Stop verbally fellating Yoda just because of 1 damn quote, that's not a logical argument.
That "Perfect Warrior" BS is pure hyperbole, and you now it, if he was the perfect warrior he wouldn't have
A. Dropped his guard to give a speech
B. Given a speech in the middle of a duel
C. Underestimated his opponent
D. Held back to the point it almost got him killed to show boat
E. Let his arrogance affect the way he fights.
Stop hyping Yoda because of 1 quote? You retard your doing the same thing to Kas'im with the "Teh greatest" quote he has. Its not a logical argument to try an prove an unknown with 1 duel under his belt and a exaggerated quote to say he could beat the most powerful Lightsider in the history of the Galaxy until Luke, with a plethora of EU and Movie material describing his uberness. STOP DICK RIDING.
I've already destroyed your arguments you posting the same things over and over wont change that, being the best in an order of scrubs is no feat worth speaking of, beating a fledgling Sith Lord with months of training under his belt as a force user is nothing to speak of, and his only feat worth mentioning mastering 7 forms is also not worth speaking of since even Bane with MONTHS of experience was able to beat his Double Blade and keep up with his Jar Kari. Yoda would shit on him.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
one thing though, if it does say Kas'im mastered Vaapad which I don't think it doesn't, I need to open my book and check because I think it's Juyo.. Anyways if it does say it it's wrong, because Mace created and perfected Vaapad.
It said Vapaad, but it is believed to have been a typo by the author.
@LS
He masteed all seven. Legacy of the Jedi, kthx. Oh, and Kas'im didn't have a 'unique style,' he just used different ones. That's not unique.
Mastered all seven or had knowledge of all seven? There's a world of a difference.
So, Yoda>Kas'im here, thanks
Ooo, strong argument.
Stronger than Yoda in the force? Dream on,
He's no where near as strong as Yoda in the Force. However, he has shown an unparalled level of Force Defense that should be strong enough to protect him from any of Yoda's Force attacks as Yoda won't get to aggressive in that department.
Kas'im EVEN SAID force mastery is linked to saber skills. Last I checked, Kas'im lost the fight by virtue of being crushed beneath rubble.
Could KAs'im defeat three Jedi Masters simultaneously without even looking like he was moving?
Kas'im goes down and goes down HARD. In an all out fight, he cannot win
In the way that if you can't defend yourself against your opponents Force attacks you might as well not fight them. Kas'im has shown Force Defense to a high enough level to protect himself from anything Yoda WOULD through at him. Yoda perhaps COULD overwhelm him with a lot of Darkside powers that he may or may not know, but I'm sure you'll agree that he won't do that.
Could Yoda defeat 3 Jedi Masters at the same time either? It's unknown, as Yoda never ATTACKED any of them. I've been in a fair amount of fights and trust me, if you can go all defensive and protect yourself well against 3 guys. It doesn't mean you could take them down. And don't forget, it was only a demonstration.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
It said Vapaad, but it is believed to have been a typo by the author.@LS
[b]He masteed all seven. Legacy of the Jedi, kthx. Oh, and Kas'im didn't have a 'unique style,' he just used different ones. That's not unique.Mastered all seven or had knowledge of all seven? There's a world of a difference.
So, Yoda>Kas'im here, thanksOoo, strong argument.
Stronger than Yoda in the force? Dream on,He's no where near as strong as Yoda in the Force. However, he has shown an unparalled level of Force Defense that should be strong enough to protect him from any of Yoda's Force attacks as Yoda won't get to aggressive in that department.
Kas'im EVEN SAID force mastery is linked to saber skills. Last I checked, Kas'im lost the fight by virtue of being crushed beneath rubble.Could KAs'im defeat three Jedi Masters simultaneously without even looking like he was moving?
Kas'im goes down and goes down HARD. In an all out fight, he cannot win
In the way that if you can't defend yourself against your opponents Force attacks you might as well not fight them. Kas'im has shown Force Defense to a high enough level to protect himself from anything Yoda WOULD through at him. Yoda perhaps COULD overwhelm him with a lot of Darkside powers that he may or may not know, but I'm sure you'll agree that he won't do that.
Maybe Yoda'd just tear through his defenses, ever think of that? What was Kas'im's state when he blocked Bane's attack? Could it possibly be that he was flat on his back unable to move?
Could Yoda defeat 3 Jedi Masters at the same time either? It's unknown, as Yoda never ATTACKED any of them. I've been in a fair amount of fights and trust me, if you can go all defensive and protect yourself well against 3 guys. It doesn't mean you could take them down. And don't forget, it was only a demonstration. [/B]
Wait, wait....Yoda defended himself against them flawessly without exerting himself and somehow they;d best him? And last I checked, Palpatine slaughtered three top Jedi masters at once.