Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
Certainly. And I think this is a dangerous aspect of Christianity...this intolerance of other people's religions. I mean, if you're truly Christian, it must be hard to accept other people's religions and let them be. After all, those people must be going to hell for a reason, right? They must be converted, right?If GOD isn't even tolerant of other people's religions, why should anyone else?
Scary.
But did you read my last post (it is before this one)?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I almost feel bad (but I know better) and believe me I do sympathize and commiserate with you Morgoths_Wrath and everyone else on this forum and abroad because I know that I know that my know knows that Jesus Christ is true, that the Bible is true, and that everything that the Bible says about sin, salvation through Jesus Christ and everything else for that matter, is true. But...I don't know that I can prove this to you or anyone else....I wish I could personally take everyone of you to Heaven so that you could see just how beautiful (and real) Heaven is. I wish I could personally escort each of you to God's throne room in Heaven so that you could all see the Father and His Son Jesus seated in sovereign, regal, majesty, glory, and excellent splendor.But I can't so ain't no point in wishful thinking. So just telling you will have to suffice until I can figure out a way to do this. (I know what you all are thinking: "He has lost it, I knew that he was gone, here is definitive proof."😉
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no, you're not entirely crazy. I think you do believe the Bible and God's teachings are true. I mean, it would be great if what you said was true, and that there is a wonderful place like Heaven people can go to after they die if they follow a certain set of rules laid out by a benevolent God who is rooting for you the whole time...but I just have a hard time believing this. I mean, one can say all i have to do is believe and it is real, but this goes against my way of thinking. I mean, it would be nice if there was a God, I might even go as far as to say I WISH there were a God so there might be a chance I could go to a place like Heaven after I die, but I really just don't believe in my heart, and if I said I believed in God I would just be fooling myself.
Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
no, you're not entirely crazy. I think you do believe the Bible and God's teachings are true. I mean, it would be great if what you said was true, and that there is a wonderful place like Heaven people can go to after they die if they follow a certain set of rules laid out by a benevolent God who is rooting for you the whole time...but I just have a hard time believing this. I mean, one can say all i have to do is believe and it is real, but this goes against my way of thinking. I mean, it would be nice if there was a God, I might even go as far as to say I WISH there were a God so there might be a chance I could go to a place like Heaven after I die, but I really just don't believe in my heart, and if I said I believed in God I would just be fooling myself.
Question: have you ever asked God to reveal whether He is true or not? Tell you what, when you have time, and there are no distractions and no one in the house to interrupt you, ask God (in your own words and in your own way) to come into your heart and make Himself real to you. You do not have to use my script just tell Jesus to come into your life if He is true. I know you said that you don't believe etc. But just do your best to communicate to Jesus Christ that you want Him to come into your heart/life if He is true and real.
Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
Certainly. And I think this is a dangerous aspect of Christianity...this intolerance of other people's religions. I mean, if you're truly Christian, it must be hard to accept other people's religions and let them be. After all, those people must be going to hell for a reason, right? They must be converted, right?If GOD isn't even tolerant of other people's religions, why should anyone else?
Scary.
I agree. Maybe that is one reason I am a Buddhist today.
Originally posted by Pandemoniac
Now that is a good approach, but let's not confuse things up. You're talking about trying to communicate with God, but then you seem to say that Jesus will be the one picking up the phone. What's up with that?
Jesus and God the Father are one God, but not one Person. Thus, Jesus is God.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
This last post of mine is very apropos to your line of questions so I will repost it this one time only."...there are some things that are only knowable in the mind and sublime counsel of Almighty God. He knows (in His great omniscience) why all things are the way that they are. I have great trust (even though I don't have all the answers to life's questions) that God will be vindicated in the eyes of all of his accusers, criticizers, and detractors. I have not a modicum of doubt about this fact. Just because your little finite mind (relative to God's infinite mind) cannot understand the mysteries of the human experience that does not mean that it is not knowable or that the answer does not exist outside of this reality that we call "life." God has all the answers. I can't wait to see Him expound, illuminate, and elucidate to all of humanity why things were, are, and perhaps will be the way that they have been, are right now, and are yet to be in the future. (Did I just confuse myself?) Anyhoo, all I am saying is that God will be shown to be justified for time and eternity one day. I wait with bated breath for the arrival of this time. I will do everything in my power to not say, "See, I told you all so!" "I knew you were just (i.e. righteous, equitable, and just plain good) Heavenly Father!"
You seem to be falling over the same hurdle every time, and badly.
You said my questions where illogical - I am not asking you for what the Bible says, I am not asking you to quibble out loud "but when the time comes I'm sure God will be shown as justified."
I gave you a list of questions with simple yes or no answers. I asked you, as a human with an apparently free will, to answer them - yes, no. Simple. Not post the same justification for those actions. I don't care for the justification (especially when it makes my point since the justification seems to be "He's God. He does stuff that we can't possibly understand."
The questions. That is what I want. Your answers to them. Not some preaching sugar coated description of God. Funny, when it comes to the bad things its all "God can't be understood" but when it is advertising the "good stuff" you can go on and on. Like a used car salesmen:
Salesmen: Blah blah blah blah air con blah blah blah anti-rust blah blah blah..."
Me: "So what about all this talk of this model exploding when caught in rain?"
Salesmen: "The mechanics are beyond us both, but I'm sure when the time comes you'll be glad you bought this car blah blah blah seatbelts"
Me: "Um, that's not an answer, I want to know how..."
Salesman: "We could talk about that till the cow comes home, lets just agree it is beyond us both."
Me: "Then I'm not interested."
So why don't you try again - your opinion. Lets see how illogical my views are - I want the simple yes/no answers here, I don't want to see the above pasted again as I have reiterated why it doesn't constitute an answer.
Well I ain't thoroughly educated on this subject so correct me if I'm messing up.
Jesus is Gods representative on this world, but not Gods direct reflection nor true self. Jesus is Gods purest embodiment in the human flesh, but still part man, and after all just a secretary through which he voices himself.
So when I want to talk to God, I wouldn't want Jesus on the phone, no matter how much he kicks ass, I would want the real deal, the man with the plan, himself Almighty.
Else it would be like ordering a big mac and getting served with only a plain hamburger.
Originally posted by Pandemoniac
Well I ain't thoroughly educated on this subject so correct me if I'm messing up.
Jesus is Gods representative on this world, but not Gods direct reflection nor true self. Jesus is Gods purest embodiment in the human flesh, but still part man, and after all just a secretary through which he voices himself.
So when I want to talk to God, I wouldn't want Jesus on the phone, no matter how much he kicks ass, I would want the real deal, the man with the plan, himself Almighty.
Else it would be like ordering a big mac and getting served with only a plain hamburger.
It is simpler then that. The Jesus is god thing was made up to made Jesus divine. This was done for power. BTW look up Constantine.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
You seem to be falling over the same hurdle every time, and badly.You said my questions where illogical - I am not asking you for what the Bible says, I am not asking you to quibble out loud "but when the time comes I'm sure God will be shown as justified."
I gave you a list of questions with simple yes or no answers. I asked you, as a human with an apparently free will, to answer them - yes, no. Simple. Not post the same justification for those actions. I don't care for the justification (especially when it makes my point since the justification seems to be "He's God. He does stuff that we can't possibly understand."
The questions. That is what I want. Your answers to them. Not some preaching sugar coated description of God. Funny, when it comes to the bad things its all "God can't be understood" but when it is advertising the "good stuff" you can go on and on. Like a used car salesmen:
Salesmen: Blah blah blah blah air con blah blah blah anti-rust blah blah blah..."
Me: "So what about all this talk of this model exploding when caught in rain?"
Salesmen: "The mechanics are beyond us both, but I'm sure when the time comes you'll be glad you bought this car blah blah blah seatbelts"
Me: "Um, that's not an answer, I want to know how..."
Salesman: "We could talk about that till the cow comes home, lets just agree it is beyond us both."
Me: "Then I'm not interested."
So why don't you try again - your opinion. Lets see how illogical my views are - I want the simple yes/no answers here, I don't want to see the above pasted again as I have reiterated why it doesn't constitute an answer.
Let me preface what I will say with first saying this: there are some things that God has chosen not to disclose to His creation. I don't have a problem with this. But some people demand to know the whys behind the whats if you know what I mean. But the Bible clearly states that it is the glory of God to conceal a matter, and that the secret things belong to God. Now, where was I? Samura, there are times in my conversations with people that I encounter questions that I deem fall outside of my purview in terms of whether or not I can or should attempt to answer them. I sincerely believe that there are certain questions that I should not even attempt to extrapolate, speculate, or conjecture in order to answer. I do not want to be guilty of going out on a limb as it were to explain something that God has clearly or apparently kept hidden from our knowledge. I am not privy to many of God's secret or hidden truths (i.e. mysteries). There is a reason why some things are not revealed to us in the Bible. Again, I will not speculate why those things are not available to satisfy our curiousity. But rest assured God will make all things known to His children at some point in time. I could give you my opinions but that is not my assignment. I am not here to give my opinions per se on critical, highly controversial questions such as the ones that you raised. I want my answers to be validatable by the Bible. So until I can substantiate what I say with the Bible I will refrain from responding to certain moot or highly debatable subject matter. Besides I am not at all polemic, and I do not feed off of controversy. My food is to do the will of Him Who has sent me and to finish the work that He has given me. That is it.
Originally posted by Pandemoniac
Well I ain't thoroughly educated on this subject so correct me if I'm messing up.
Jesus is Gods representative on this world, but not Gods direct reflection nor true self. Jesus is Gods purest embodiment in the human flesh, but still part man, and after all just a secretary through which he voices himself.
So when I want to talk to God, I wouldn't want Jesus on the phone, no matter how much he kicks ass, I would want the real deal, the man with the plan, himself Almighty.
Else it would be like ordering a big mac and getting served with only a plain hamburger.
Hebrews 1:1-3
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His Person ,
Jesus Christ is the the express image of God the Father's Person (you call it direct reflection). Jesus is not just God's representative to the world. There is such oneness that among the Father, Son Jesus, and Holy Spirit that Jesus said,
John 14:7-9
7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.” 8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Furthermore, Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.
John 1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Jesus is God and God is Jesus. This is true because of the oneness of God. What One thinks, feels, or does so do the Others among the Godhead. For example, if the Father says that He loves the world then so does Jesus and the Holy Spirit. They are in absolute concurrence. In fact, what One says the other says or is saying because God is one. There is unprecedented unity among the Father, Son Jesus, and Holy Spirit. They have not ever disagreed about anything ever and will not ever do so.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Let me preface what I will say with first saying this: there are some things that God has chosen not to disclose to His creation. I don't have a problem with this. But some people demand to know the whys behind the whats if you know what I mean. But the Bible clearly states that it is the glory of God to conceal a matter, and that the secret things belong to God. Now, where was I? Samura, there are times in my conversations with people that I encounter questions that I deem fall outside of my purview in terms of whether or not I can or should attempt to answer them. I sincerely believe that there are certain questions that I should not even attempt to extrapolate, speculate, or conjecture in order to answer. I do not want to be guilty of going out on a limb as it were to explain something that God has clearly or apparently kept hidden from our knowledge. I am not privy to many of God's secret or hidden truths (i.e. mysteries). There is a reason why some things are not revealed to us in the Bible. Again, I will not speculate why those things are not available to satisfy our curiousity. But rest assured God will make all things known to His children at some point in time. I could give you my opinions but that is not my assignment. I am not here to give my opinions per se on critical, highly controversial questions such as the ones that you raised. I want my answers to be validatable by the Bible. So until I can substantiate what I say with the Bible I will refrain from responding to certain moot or highly debatable subject matter. Besides I am not at all polemic, and I do not feed off of controversy. My food is to do the will of Him Who has sent me and to finish the work that He has given me. That is it.
Sigh. You can argue against evolution, against other religions you have no real experiance or knowledge of and the like, but when something comes up that you believe might work against your arguments suddenly you drop back on "I sincerely believe that there are certain questions that I should not even attempt to extrapolate, speculate, or conjecture in order to answer." So essentially you are taking your ball and going home in order to avoid... what?
Heh. Amazing, if I may say so myself. God creates us in his image and with a free will because he wants living, breathing, thinking creations, but you refuse to give your opinion on perfectly acceptable questions:
Is it right that can king can claim to be above the laws mad by man? YES/NO.Is a king who claims not to be bound by the laws pure because he can never be charged with a crime? YES/NO
Were the Children of Egypt deserving of death? YES/NO
Did God commit murder by killing them? YES/NO
Do you realise that murder with perceived cause is still classified as murder, though the cause acts as a mitigating factor? YES/NO
Has God done things that if done by a human would classify as a sin? YES/NO
In conclusion - if God didn't have the "I'm above the law" clause would he still be sinless? YES/NO
I'm not sure how it can be any simpler. Are you telling me if a politician did something in your country that was legally bad for all other people, but because he was a politician wouldn't stand trial you wouldn't have an opinion? You'd say "I'll leave that to the philosophers, it doesn't matter if I am a living, thinking human, I won't comment."?
Once again I point out I am not asking you to justify God's acts. I am not asking for the whole "it will make sense eventually" - I am asking what you as a person think of the above question. I can not empathise enough I am not looking for Biblical double think - just yes or no to them. The fact remains God has chosen not to answer the questions himself - either through nonexistence of some obtuse plan, and since you can debate the vagaries of the Bible based upon interpretation I don't see why you can't answer questions fully in the human realm.
Hmmm, so God is quite like our governments; playing the people while holding back the truly crucial information, which can be something a whole less joyful that he wants us to know.
Makes you wonder, global leaders only need a couple of years to persuade their followers in to wars, so what might God have in store after ages of persuasion?
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Sigh. You can argue against evolution, against other religions you have no real experiance or knowledge of and the like, but when something comes up that you believe might work against your arguments suddenly you drop back on "I sincerely believe that there are certain questions that I should not even attempt to extrapolate, speculate, or conjecture in order to answer." So essentially you are taking your ball and going home in order to avoid... what?Heh. Amazing, if I may say so myself. God creates us in his image and with a free will because he wants living, breathing, thinking creations, but you refuse to give your opinion on perfectly acceptable questions:
I'm not sure how it can be any simpler. Are you telling me if a politician did something in your country that was legally bad for all other people, but because he was a politician wouldn't stand trial you wouldn't have an opinion? You'd say "I'll leave that to the philosophers, it doesn't matter if I am a living, thinking human, I won't comment."?
Once again I point out I am not asking you to justify God's acts. I am not asking for the whole "it will make sense eventually" - I am asking what you as a person think of the above question. I can not empathise enough I am not looking for Biblical double think - just yes or no to them. The fact remains God has chosen not to answer the questions himself - either through nonexistence of some obtuse plan, and since you can debate the vagaries of the Bible based upon interpretation I don't see why you can't answer questions fully in the human realm.
A politician is not God and God is not a politician. It does not matter what I think. Friend, I do not know why you have such a hard time with this. If it is in the Bible and within my scope of answering then I will. But remember, I take my orders from Jesus Christ not you so don't get upset with me if I choose not to answer certain questions.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[COLOR=darkblue]God cannot lie because He is Truth. Limited? I see this as a blessing than a limitation for if God could lie it would imply that God is a sinner.
Well God DOES kill....does not that make him a sinner ?
What about the biblical fact that God banishes those who do not beleive in him into an eternity of torment ? Is not that a sin ?
Re: i hate god
Originally posted by undercoverninjaNow thats what I call ignorancy, Enough said 😄!
enough said
i win
you lose
dont cry
i hate you too
im joking
or am i
maybe
for a baby
before i get married
YAY
another sin under my belt
no
dont cry
i said it earlier
dont cry
seriously dont cry
the next person to post is going to die
im going ot kill them
no
dont cry
im serious
dont make me call upon my satanic powers
im serious
dont make me do it
i will
dont cry
testicle
that is all
goodbye
ladies
im going to leave you now
peace out
P.S. dont cry
and i hate god
and you
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
A politician is not God and God is not a politician. It does not matter what I think. Friend, I do not know why you have such a hard time with this. If it is in the Bible and within my scope of answering then I will. But remember, I take my orders from Jesus Christ not you so don't get upset with me if I choose not to answer certain questions.
Have you not stated before that you could communicate with Jesus? Serious question, I forgot but I think you said that before.