Superman vs Captain Marvel

Originally posted by Soleran
Derr those are all done without any pressure from an opponent, ie he had time to set those up without getting mashed at the sametime.

His T-Vo skills while impressive have been shown time and time again yet what isn't displayed along with those skills is that it takes time for Superman to achieve his T-Vo it isn't instant and he has to focus.

The only time he's ever really had to focus was against Dominus in their final battle...and why wouldn't he have to? Dominus is ridiculously powerful.

All the other times, he's pulled the power fairly quick during battle.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
All the other times, he's pulled the power fairly quick during battle.

Um hello, he had no enemy putting pressure on him except for the one where the kid was enhanced magically, a kid, wow.

Thats not a skill that would be effective going toe to toe with someone like Captain Marvel. I would like to stress the TOE to TOE where there is no quarter given.

Originally posted by Soleran
Um hello, he had no enemy putting pressure on him except for the one where the kid was enhanced magically, a kid, wow.

Originally posted by batdude123
Altering reality- changes to Kingdom Come Superman, then to Superman 1 Million:
http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vo23kw.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vo31hz.jpg

Construct- makes a huge robot to combat Eradicator
http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vo8tc.jpg

He acts independently from his constructs:
http://img456.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vo22rc.jpg

Dominus noting Superman's control over reality:
http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=storquasmvoek6.jpg

T-Vo is nothing but a mind game!?

Solomon's Wisdom can easily guide Billy.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Isn't Captain Marvel a kid? 😄

😛

Originally posted by Soleran
Um hello, he had no enemy putting pressure on him except for the one where the kid was enhanced magically, a kid, wow.

Thats not a skill that would be effective going toe to toe with someone like Captain Marvel. I would like to stress the TOE to TOE where there is no quarter given.

Are you slow?

He pulled out the power on the fly while fighting Eradicator who can make CM look like he's standing still.

He was fighting Adversary when he pulled out the same power. It's not like Billy's lightning is any faster.

And what is slow when you can move at ftl speeds anyway?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind

And what is slow when you can move at ftl speeds anyway?

Originally posted by Milkie
T-Vo is nothing but a mind game!?

Solomon's Wisdom can easily guide Billy.

Um, no. It's not just a mind game. It's something completely different. It's worked on people way above Billy, and they can't tell the difference. The constructs actually become real on account of everybody watching the Superman/Eradicator fight, and the fact that they were destroying buildings.

And no, the wisdom of a Jewish king wouldn't help Billy in the slightest. 🙄

Originally posted by Badabing
Slower than light speeds? 😕

🧑‍⚕️

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
🧑‍⚕️

😆 😆

Originally posted by batdude123
Um, no. It's not just a mind game. It's something completely different. It's worked on people way above Billy, and they can't tell the difference. The constructs actually become real on account of everybody watching the Superman/Eradicator fight, and the fact that they were destroying buildings.

And no, the wisdom of a Jewish king wouldn't help Billy in the slightest. 🙄

They don't become real. And I didn't see any buildings getting crushed.

Originally posted by Milkie
They don't become real. And I didn't see any buildings getting crushed.

Yes they do. Everyone was watching their fight, and later on as they kept battling, buildings were toppled.

With the wisdom of a Jewish king, Billy couldn't do anything.

Originally posted by batdude123
With the wisdom of a Jewish king, Billy couldn't do anything.

Originally posted by Accel
What an anti-Semitic statement.

I'm not. 😆

Just saying it wouldn't help him.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yes they do. Everyone was watching their fight, and later on as they kept battling, buildings were toppled.

With the wisdom of a Jewish king, Billy couldn't do anything.

J/K 😛 I know it wasn't meant as disparaging.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Are you slow?

He pulled out the power on the fly while fighting Eradicator who can make CM look like he's standing still.

He was fighting Adversary when he pulled out the same power. It's not like Billy's lightning is any faster.

And what is slow when you can move at ftl speeds anyway?

Slow your roll here, go back and reread my comments about how Superman was able to apply his T-Vo then come back and talk to me.

Superman didn't have anyone pounding on him except in ONE case and the villian was a nobody. His T-Vo otherwise is with him concentrating and doing nothing but T-Vo at the time with no one pounding on him at the same moment.

Originally posted by batdude123
Where's the impressive stuff?

When Superman beats a herald lv character without powers but with pure skill alone, get at me.

Originally posted by Soleran
Slow your roll here, go back and reread my comments about how Superman was able to apply his T-Vo then come back and talk to me.

Superman didn't have anyone pounding on him except in ONE case and the villian was a nobody. His T-Vo otherwise is with him concentrating and doing nothing but T-Vo at the time with no one pounding on him at the same moment.

So because it's a villain you particularly don't care for then it doesn't count?

Ridiculous.

A split second is all he needs. No more than other characters need to use their powers.

Originally posted by batdude123
It's not a tool used for mind raping. It's used for astral projection, reality warping, sentient constructs, etc. And Superman could use Billy's own abilities against him. You have no idea of how it works, because it doesn't matter if Billy doesn't want to submit to it. He wouldn't even know it was happening. It's never been resisted against, and he's used it on the likes of Dominus, Eradicator, Blaze, Adversary, etc.

If you think Billy would own Superman after getting sucked into Torquasm-Vo, then you're even more dilusional than I thought.

Nobody says that at all. It's simply a power of Superman's that's fair play in a battle situation.

T-vo isn't reality warping.

Its all taking place on the mental plane, and it was him accessing Dominus's powers that allowed for reality warpish stuff.

Case in point.

When he took Eradicator on with T-vo, you saw all this fancy stuff taking place in the city, right?

But when reality cuts in, all you see is Superman and Eradicator face to face, with the tell tale lightning/ energy beam connecting at their heads.

Its all on the mental plane.

No real reality warping taking place.

No constructs actually materialized on the physical plane, iirc.

Originally posted by UniOmni
T-vo isn't reality warping.

Its all taking place on the mental plane, and it was him accessing Dominus's powers that allowed for reality warpish stuff.

Case in point.

When he took Eradicator on with T-vo, you saw all this fancy stuff taking place in the city, right?

But when reality cuts in, all you see is Superman and Eradicator face to face, with the tell tale lightning/ energy beam connecting at their heads.

Its all on the mental plane.

No real reality warping taking place.

No constructs actually materialized on the physical plane, iirc.

Ah, okay.