Superman vs Captain Marvel

Originally posted by UniOmni
T-vo isn't reality warping.

Its all taking place on the mental plane, and it was him accessing Dominus's powers that allowed for reality warpish stuff.

Case in point.

When he took Eradicator on with T-vo, you saw all this fancy stuff taking place in the city, right?

But when reality cuts in, all you see is Superman and Eradicator face to face, with the tell tale lightning/ energy beam connecting at their heads.

Its all on the mental plane.

No real reality warping taking place.

No constructs actually materialized on the physical plane, iirc.

That's partially correct. You are confusing the battles though.

There were actually TWO battles (completely separate) engaged with T-vo. One did have the physical manifestation and the other is the one you are talking about (which personally was the most awesome of all the t-vo battles) takes place in the astral plane.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
That's partially correct. You are confusing the battles though.

There were actually TWO battles (completely separate) engaged with T-vo. One did have the physical manifestation and the other is the one you are talking about (which personally was the most awesome of all the t-vo battles) takes place in the astral plane.

Ah, okay. ✅

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
So because it's a villain you particularly don't care for then it doesn't count?

Ridiculous.

A split second is all he needs. No more than other characters need to use their powers.

LOL, yeah maybe you need to go back and look at those scans again. Only one of those guys actually engaged Superman when he wanted to use T-Vo and he was a one hit wonder villian, certainly not the level of Shazam.

T-Vo is overhyped and some folks vainly attempt to put it to use in every scenario and its painfully obvious it doesn't fit.

Originally posted by Soleran
LOL, yeah maybe you need to go back and look at those scans again. Only one of those guys actually engaged Superman when he wanted to use T-Vo and he was a one hit wonder villian, certainly not the level of Shazam.

T-Vo is overhyped and some folks vainly attempt to put it to use in every scenario and its painfully obvious it doesn't fit.

When was the last time Billy knocked Superman from Metropolis to China?

Originally posted by Soleran
LOL, yeah maybe you need to go back and look at those scans again. Only one of those guys actually engaged Superman when he wanted to use T-Vo and he was a one hit wonder villian, certainly not the level of Shazam.

T-Vo is over hyped and some folks vainly attempt to put it to use in every scenario and its painfully obvious it doesn't fit.

I actually own the books. He pulls the maneuver out rather quickly more than once.

It's painfully obvious you're reaching.

"But but...it wasn't a popular villain! It doesn't count!" 😆

It's "over hyped" because you don't like it.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I actually own the books. He pulls the maneuver out rather quickly more than once.

Seriously it would help if you would add everything I say before you counter with more of nothing. I said he uses it WHEN he isn't being pounded at the same time, then I added its not instantanious as you would have us believe.

"But but...it wasn't a popular villain! It doesn't count!" 😆

This is a common defense mechanism for you, it happens frequently. I said he was a one hit wonder, the villian Superman used it on in combat has little to no credibility as opposed to Shazam showings.

It's "over hyped" because you don't like it.

It's overhyped by fans who misuse it. Only one instance has T-Vo been used in your illustrations without prep time and Superman being left totally alone, I wouldn't say its the most credible power to use on Shazam who can stay on him the entire fight.

Wait, how did Superman fight for 1000 years in Asguard?
Did time like stop for 1000 years or something.
Or does time go faster in Asguard? Seriously. If he fought in there for 1000 years, wouldn't everyone he knew be dead along time ago?

It took place in another dimension or after traveling back through time or something like that.

Originally posted by batdude123
When was the last time Billy knocked Superman from Metropolis to China?

When was the last time Superman knocked Billy to China?

Originally posted by Soleran
Seriously it would help if you would add everything I say before you counter with more of nothing. I said he uses it WHEN he isn't being pounded at the same time, then I added its not instantanious as you would have us believe.

It would help if you read what I typed as well. "Fairly quick" and "Instant" were 2 different things the last time I checked.

Originally posted by Soleran
This is a common defense mechanism for you, it happens frequently. I said he was a one hit wonder, the villian Superman used it on in combat has little to no credibility as opposed to Shazam showings.

The only "common defense" here is you wanting to disregard an on panel showing. Getting knocked across the globe by a magic punch is a rather decent feat.

Originally posted by Soleran
It's overhyped by fans who misuse it. Only one instance has T-Vo been used in your illustrations without prep time and Superman being left totally alone, I wouldn't say its the most credible power to use on Shazam who can stay on him the entire fight.

The only time he's needed prep was against Dominus..and that's fine considering he's a multiversal reality warper.

He even multitasked against the Eradicator. One for the giant mech, and the other to mess with Eradicators mind. 2 completely independent actions simultaneously.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
The only "common defense" here is you wanting to disregard an on panel showing. Getting knocked across the globe by a magic punch is a rather decent feat.

I just proved that he was not using magic.

Originally posted by Milkie
I just proved that he was not using magic.

I haven't seen you prove it.

I saw you disagree with Snoop. 2 completely different things.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I got them.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupermanvsAdvesary.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupermanvsAdvesary2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupermanvsAdvesary3.jpg

He uses T-vo to absorb a powerful attack from Advesary. Who is magical.

Originally posted by Milkie
I want to is a profile on this guy Superman calls him a Metahuman.

I need more proof then just you saying he is magical.

Originally posted by Milkie
Nope

I seen no magic flying.

He could just have been using pure strength which he was.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
http://www.dcuguide.com/who.php?name=adversary

The Adversary is the living cliché of a macho 'bad guy' villain. Clad in black leather, always chewing a cigar, and constantly spouting out foul words, the villain first appeared fighting Superman in Metropolis, slugging out with him, and then disappearing without a trace. This was repeated on a few more occasions. Finally, Superman learned that the Adversary was a pawn of Lord Satanus. Apparently, he was just a young kid that had gained his desired superpowers through a deal with the demon. His main motive was simply to duke it out with Superman and thus make a name for himself like Doomsday did. Superman finally defeated the villain who has not been seen

His powers are magical based.

Originally posted by Milkie
They come from magic but he DOES NOT WIELD IT LIKE THE MARVEL FAMILY.

There is a difference. That was a psychical attack that Superman took not a magical.

That's why I want to see scans

People mix shit up

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Dude....give it up man. Advesary gained his powers from a magical being the same way Billy Batson does.

Originally posted by Milkie
I just said he did

And that does not mean everything his does is magical. Just like how Hulk got his power from a radiation blast

He does not throw radioactive blast everywhere are punch with radioactive fist now does he?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I agree with that. But why do people go around saying "This guy(Instert name) is magical so he's gonna kick Supermans @ss"?

Everytime Supes fights somebody with magic involved haters always think he atutomatically looses.

Originally posted by Milkie
When was the last time Superman knocked Billy to China?

That's not the point, and that's not why I was asking.

I have not seen Superman knock Billy to China nor do I think it ever happened

Originally posted by Milkie
I have not seen Superman knock Billy to China nor do I think it ever happened

That's not the friggin' point!!!

Soleran was talking about Adversary as if he was a nobody. How many "nobodies" have knocked Superman to China? THAT was the point. It's called giving credit where credit is due. 🙄

Originally posted by batdude123
That's not the friggin' point!!!

Soleran was talking about Adversary as if he was a nobody. How many "nobodies" have knocked Superman to China? THAT was the point. It's called giving credit where credit is due. 🙄

It doesn't matter because Superman LET him do it, with that said if Superman LET Captain Marvel hit him that hard yes he could do it also.

People are still grasping at T-Vo yet it has a very limited number of showings and doesn't give instand wins either.

Originally posted by batdude123
That's not the friggin' point!!!

Soleran was talking about Adversary as if he was a nobody. How many "nobodies" have knocked Superman to China? THAT was the point. It's called giving credit where credit is due. 🙄

You should have said that then 😠

Damn

Anyway, The Adversary could probably beat a good amount of people. His only purpose is/was to FIGHT with Superman. He wanted to make a name for himself like Doomsday. I don't think he wanted to kill Superman because he used to disappear during their fights. I could be wrong because that was the only fight I seen between the two and they had several. So after Superman finally caught him and defeated him he gave up for awhile.

At least that is what I think

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I got them.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupermanvsAdvesary.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupermanvsAdvesary2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupermanvsAdvesary3.jpg

He uses T-vo to absorb a powerful attack from Advesary. Who is magical.

Originally posted by batdude123
🙄

Or the fact that he's been trained by Batman and Wonder Woman, fought a 100 year war against Gog, spent 1000 years in Asgard fighting, knows pressure points, knows Kryptonian martial arts, etc.