Originally posted by DigiMark007
Well, you're the one asking the questions....why not tell me rather than present it as a needless rhetorical?And contrary to widely held belief, I don't consider Titania, Rhino, or even the Firelord fight to be PIS.
Firelord, you say? Blasphemy! Yeah, I know, but stay with me. First, read the issue if you haven't (full scans in the respect thread). 2nd, the only PIS is that Firelord didn't use the Nova-blast to destroy the entire city. He wanted to just beat SM, not everyone. The entire fight other than that is legitimate.
Spidey not getting hit by people isn't PIS. It's happened a laughable number of times, even with much faster opponents than Wrecker. Much faster.
Maybe I'm underestimating Wrecker's durability, so it might just be a big fat stalemate. I'm not an expert on him, and have only seen a few showings. I haven't presented this as a black-and-white argument, I've just defended Pete against posters who seem to think that anyone above him in strength or durability automatically gets the win against him, since I'm better qualified than most to do so.
He's nowhere NEAR outside of spiderman's ability to take down.
Thing has one shotted him.
Toxin one shotted him.
Captain America humiliated him while bouncing around a bunch of other attackers at the same time.
Iron Fist took him out on one occasion without even resorting to using the iron fist. and stalemated him on another.
I seem to remember Colossus handling him pretty solidly as well...
Not to mention the fact that Spiderman alongside Spiderwoman ALREADY BEAT the ENTIRE CREW by themselves as it is.. 😬
Wrecker got written up for New Avengers while every hero there got written down, plain and simple..
Doesn't change the fact that by and large Wrecker doesn't on average have good showings against people with decent speed and agility.
and on average it takes someone with a lot more sheer speed or skill than wrecker to catch spidey off guard much less toss him aside like garbage... that fight in New Avengers isn't the rule, it's the exception.
Originally posted by jinzin
He's nowhere NEAR outside of spiderman's ability to take down.
Thing has one shotted him.
Toxin one shotted him.
Captain America humiliated him while bouncing around a bunch of other attackers at the same time.
Iron Fist took him out on one occasion without even resorting to using the iron fist. and stalemated him on another.
I seem to remember Colossus handling him pretty solidly as well...Not to mention the fact that Spiderman alongside Spiderwoman ALREADY BEAT the ENTIRE CREW by themselves as it is.. 😬
Wrecker got written up for New Avengers while every hero there got written down, plain and simple..
Doesn't change the fact that by and large Wrecker doesn't on average have good showings against people with decent speed and agility.
and on average it takes someone with a lot more sheer speed or skill than wrecker to catch spidey off guard much less toss him aside like garbage... that fight in New Avengers isn't the rule, it's the exception.
Well look at you ...thinking you're all cool with your facts. My opinions remains the same...Wrecker Wins !!!!
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Lol it's funny how K3VIL just completely ignored the post that stated that he had already beaten the ENTIRE CREW along with spiderwoman. Spidermans takes this 9/10. Not to mention his speed and strength upgrades...
No more lame web shooters! Wasn't a good idea to begin with, organics are much better, hahahaha!!!
Originally posted by Arctic
Lol it's funny how K3VIL just completely ignored the post that stated that he had already beaten the ENTIRE CREW along with spiderwoman. Spidermans takes this 9/10. Not to mention his speed and strength upgrades...No more lame web shooters! Wasn't a good idea to begin with, organics are much better, hahahaha!!!
Actually I was wrong I just read back through it and Spiderman only stalled Wrecker for a while, Wrecker was at full power and Spiderman wasn't doing much....
With Spiderman's increased speed, reflexes, and strength it might be enough to make the difference... I still stand by what I said earlier though... Anyone on the New Avengers should be able to solo Wrecker.