Wrecker vs. Spiderman

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What's Wrecker's origin? I mean did he just find the crowbar lying around or something?

Nope, he stole power that was suppose to be given to Loki. The crowbar doesn't give him power he gives the crowbar power. I'll put up his origins shortly in the respect thread

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Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Sounds like some writer was being stupid, fact is Wrecker's crowbar lacks on panel feats to put him on par with Mjolnir.

Not just one writer said it, but at least three

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Nope, he stole power that was suppose to be given to Loki. The crowbar doesn't give him power he gives the crowbar power. I'll put up his origins shortly in the respect thread

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Not just one writer said it, but at least three

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
On-panel feats>>>Dumb Writers.

Hardly, just because Wrecker was not put in the same situation as Thor to use his weapon in the same manner does not make the writers dumb.

Wrecker will WRECK spiderman 😂

FAILED 🙁

Originally posted by jasonk3
Wrecker will WRECK spiderman 😂

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Also if he can tag Northstar, why would Spider-Man be more diffucult?

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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Majority time he isn't, classic Wrecker and classic Wrecking Crew were beasts that nearly killed Hercules and Thor at the same time.

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Oh BULLSHIT.

What? the time that they AMBUSHED Herc? While he was doubting himself for what happened to him in Avengers 274? The time that he admitted that it was his own CIS that was allowing them to even get an upper hand on him... the time that he easily started to manhandle all of them when he got pissed off? When Thor decided to take a beating to save Herc's pride?

You're honestly trying to pass that off as if the Wrecking Crew are capible of doing that in a straight fight?... 😐 wow....

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Definetly not.

Originally posted by jinzin
Oh BULLSHIT.

What? the time that they AMBUSHED Herc? While he was doubting himself for what happened to him in Avengers 274? The time that he admitted that it was his own CIS that was allowing them to even get an upper hand on him... the time that he easily started to manhandle all of them when he got pissed off? When Thor decided to take a beating to save Herc's pride?

You're honestly trying to pass that off as if the Wrecking Crew are capible of doing that in a straight fight?... 😐 wow....

Not really the reason he doubted himself the first time was because the Crew nearly killed him and that put him in that state of mind. No he knocked out two who wern't even fighting him, they were just holding him while Wrecker was pounding on Thor nearly killing him. Wrecker alone nearly killed Thor even Hela was going to take his soul way back when. Even classic Wrecker one-shooted the Hulk

Yes, as they have done so in the past. Have you seen Wrecker's fight with Beta Ray Bill?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Not really the reason he doubted himself the first time was because the Crew nearly killed him and that put him in that state of mind. No he knocked out two who wern't even fighting him, they were just holding him while Wrecker was pounding on Thor nearly killing him. Wrecker alone nearly killed Thor even Hela was going to take his soul way back when. Even classic Wrecker one-shooted the Hulk

Yes, as they have done so in the past. Have you seen Wrecker's fight with Beta Ray Bill?

And uh NO the wrecking crew only beat herc and put him in that "state of mind" after he fought tiger shark, got blind sided by Hyde, and then cheap shotted and basically owned by Goliath, The wrecking crew had nothing to do with that until Herc was already practically beaten.. and frankly, HE WAS DRUNK anyways... Goliath even stated that it was inhibiting Herc as well as his two previous assailants... plain and simple when the Wrecking crew isn't working with upgrades, overwhelming numbers, and/or their opponents downgrading, they get punked more often than not..

I can't believe you honestly just tried to sell the wrecker single handingly taken down Thor and Herc in a legit fight... I've seen some of your skewed perceptions on feats and comics before but this is damned insanely ridiculous.

P.S. They have NEVER done so in the past, not in a legit fight.
I haven't seen the BRB fight but I'm going to assume that Wrecker got enhanced beyond his own physical and magical limitations in some way...
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And one shotting Hulk is some MAJJJOR PIS, lest you want to argue that Wolverine has better durability than Hulk. 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
And one shotting Hulk is some MAJJJOR PIS, lest you want to argue that Wolverine has better durability than Hulk. 😐

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Did Wrecker actually punch Wolverine, beside a backhand?

He hit him with the crowbar.. 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
He hit him with the crowbar.. 😐

There's a great response to this I found:

Originally posted by jinzin
point is it didn't do the damage a straight shot would inflict..

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
There's a great response to this I found:

Originally posted by jinzin
Why would wrecker try to stab wolverine with a crowbar? 😕

A glancing blow by any weapon is nothing compared to a solid hit.

The fact that you would say that a glancing blow is the same as a direct hit and at the same time be typing the exact opposite opinion is just . . . 😐

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A glancing blow by any weapon is nothing compared to a solid hit.

The fact that you would say that a glancing blow is the same as a direct hit and at the same time be typing the exact opposite opinion is just . . . 😐

I'm not even sure what you're rambling about now.. Wrecker hit Wolverine full on with his Crowbar.. the Crowbar COULD be used to impale Wolverine I suppose, but the Wrecker just uses it like a baseball bat for all intents and purposes, and frankly there was nothing glancing about the hit, he nailed Logan dead on.

Logan on the other hand was only landing glacning cuts on Wreckers hit trying to slice at him instead of severing his limbs or going for a stab.

This has been demonstrated before against Rogue, Wolverine blasted her with his claws extended and there wasn't any apparent damage, he said that the next time he was going to attack her he would use a straight shot, and he proved the difference when he attacked Warbird in Wolverine 134 and again when Rogue absorbed Wolverine's claws and they pierced through her skin, and kept cutting up the insides of her arms to the point that the pain was nearly unbearable to her...

The point? Wolverine's claws were doing damage, but not to the extent of the damage he was capible of delivering. If he wanted more damage, lethal damage... to be done, he could have and would have done it plain and simple.

For example, you're not likely to cut someone up very well by slicing at em with a butter knife, but stabbing em will do just fine...

How you're even comparing an edged weapon used for puncturing and slicing as opposed to a blunt force weapon used for batting is what's really: 😐 here.
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Whether he hits Wolverine or Spidey with the crowbar, it should knock them out.

Plus his non physical feats like magnetism, energy absorption, earth control and blasts should give him an easy victory. He's at least as powerful as ironman, maybe a bit more.

Originally posted by jinzin
Thor was WEAK.... END.... there's nothing hard to understand about that.. there's no reason a guy who trades blows with someone who can lift manhatten would otherwise be impressed with Wrecker lifting a forklift.. that's ridiculous to compare him that way.

And uh NO the wrecking crew only beat herc and put him in that "state of mind" after he fought tiger shark, got blind sided by Hyde, and then cheap shotted and basically owned by Goliath, The wrecking crew had nothing to do with that until Herc was already practically beaten.. and frankly, HE WAS DRUNK anyways... Goliath even stated that it was inhibiting Herc as well as his two previous assailants... plain and simple when the Wrecking crew isn't working with upgrades, overwhelming numbers, and/or their opponents downgrading, they get punked more often than not..

I can't believe you honestly just tried to sell the wrecker single handingly taken down Thor and Herc in a legit fight... I've seen some of your skewed perceptions on feats and comics before but this is damned insanely ridiculous.

P.S. They have NEVER done so in the past, not in a legit fight.
I haven't seen the BRB fight but I'm going to assume that Wrecker got enhanced beyond his own physical and magical limitations in some way...
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And one shotting Hulk is some MAJJJOR PIS, lest you want to argue that Wolverine has better durability than Hulk. 😐

If you read the issue it stated Thor HAD his strength, it stated several times he still had his incalcuable strength what he didn't have was his god-like abilities, but still possessed everything that was natural to him as noted.

Except Hercules stated it was THEIR doing that put fear into his mind, it was THEIR doing that nearly killed him. Then later on they nearly killed him again until basically Thor was willingly to sacrifice so Hercules could snap out of it. No they don't, I have even posted feats before their upgrades and their beasts.

Skewed perspection? I posted the entire fights from start to finish in the respect thread. I don't just post scans that make them solely look good in the fight, I post the whole thing. I know what I'm talking about and back it up and you know it.

He has constantly been upgraded throughout his carrer, even the Crew were upgraded and took on Alpha Flight and were basically steam rolling them. That's who they are, does that dimise their power? no. because those upgrades have become their powers

Or PIS that Wolverine can take shots that have leveled Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Hulk, etc.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
If you read the issue it stated Thor HAD his strength, it stated several times he still had his incalcuable strength what he didn't have was his god-like abilities, but still possessed everything that was natural to him as noted.

HE was depowered and fighting out of his element simple as, besides I seem to recall him stating something along the lines of wrecker being physically more powerful than him. Of course, I'm also drunk at the moments.. so ..

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Except Hercules stated it was THEIR doing that put fear into his mind, it was THEIR doing that nearly killed him. Then later on they nearly killed him again until basically Thor was willingly to sacrifice so Hercules could snap out of it. No they don't, I have even posted feats before their upgrades and their beasts.

Dude, that has NOTHING to do with a legit fight, they JUMPED Herc after he had already been beaten down, and I REFUSE to argue with you on this point as there is literally nothing to debate, sure they may have put some fear into him, but it wasn't due to a legit fight the way you're portraying.

No one said they're not tough ( i don't know about beasts) but yes they do...

Wrecker's been one shotted by Thor, THing, Toxin, and Hulk... he's not above Thor and Herc combined BY ANY MEANS and that's certainly the picture you're trying to paint here.
Skewed perspection? I posted the entire fights from start to finish in the respect thread. I don't just post scans that make them solely look good in the fight, I post the whole thing. I know what I'm talking about and back it up and you know it.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He has constantly been upgraded throughout his carrer, even the Crew were upgraded and took on Alpha Flight and were basically steam rolling them. That's who they are, does that dimise their power? no. because those upgrades have become their powers

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Or PIS that Wolverine can take shots that have leveled Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Hulk, etc.

Thor: Weakened, BRB: upgraded ( I took a gander through your thread and you admitted it yourself dolt!), Hulk, PIS, plain and simple. The guy's gotten up from hitting Earth from space, taken shots from Drax and Thano's, took a Moljnir shot to the face without so much as budging, took a number of nukes... Wrecker one shotting him is PIS, and I didn't see you argue that point until I brought it up.. you certainly didn't have a problem when other people where calling it such, but go figure, whatever it takes to win one of these crap ass argument heh?
psshhhhh

I don't even care any more.

Originally posted by jinzin
HE was depowered and fighting out of his element simple as, besides I seem to recall him stating something along the lines of wrecker being physically more powerful than him. Of course, I'm also drunk at the moments.. so ..

No, he was still fighting as is but he didn;t have was his magical protection that allowed Wrecker to take his shots, but didn't allow Wrecker to take his. Loki was suppose to get Wrecker's power from the Norn Queen and was said to be multiple times stronger than Thor. Wrecker is suppose to be stronger than him.

Originally posted by jinzin

Dude, that has NOTHING to do with a legit fight, they JUMPED Herc after he had already been beaten down, and I REFUSE to argue with you on this point as there is literally nothing to debate, sure they may have put some fear into him, but it wasn't due to a legit fight the way you're portraying.

No one said they're not tough ( i don't know about beasts) but yes they do...

Wrecker's been one shotted by Thor, THing, Toxin, and Hulk... he's not above Thor and Herc combined BY ANY MEANS and that's certainly the picture you're trying to paint here.

Skewed perspection? I posted the entire fights from start to finish in the respect thread. I don't just post scans that make them solely look good in the fight, I post the whole thing. I know what I'm talking about and back it up and you know it.

I know that, but Hercules has said out of everyone it was them who did the worse damage and it was them who made him lost his confidence. I never EVER said they didn't get a cheap shot in as it was Atlas who even put him on the floor for them to pound.

Actually yeah not just in this thread but many on this board they have said they are weak. Once again the respect threads shows that their on a far higher level then SPider-Man. He doesn't just have physical strength he has so much more.

Thor has never one shooted him or Hulk, and yes Thing and Toxin has beaten him AND the Crew and you don't think that's PIS when they have shown to take on Thor, Alpha Flight, etc? The Crew have taken blows from Thor and literally laughed at him, but Thing? errr? It's like when Hulk got beat by a snake or Wolverine with an elk, it's PIS. Yet, you always seem to simply look the other way if it's a bad showing for Wolverine but god forbid it happens to someone else you jump all over it.

And yet when they get one shotted by the previously mentioned characters, or when they get beaten down by Cap, Wasp, Giant man, Iron Fist, When they have a hard time with Wild Heart, Nemisis, Spiderman, When Thunderball (a guy who's been KOed by Cap and stalemated by Venom) puts up a good tussle with Wrecker It's PIS? See I don't think that their upgrades are EVER consistent, Almost every damn time they're on panal they fluctuate, at one moment being able to take down Hulk at another not strong enough to list a bus? The hell?[/B][/QUOTE]

Originally posted by jinzin

Thor: Weakened, BRB: upgraded ( I took a gander through your thread and you admitted it yourself dolt!), Hulk, PIS, plain and simple. The guy's gotten up from hitting Earth from space, taken shots from Drax and Thano's, took a Moljnir shot to the face without so much as budging, took a number of nukes... Wrecker one shotting him is PIS, and I didn't see you argue that point until I brought it up.. you certainly didn't have a problem when other people where calling it such, but go figure, whatever it takes to win one of these crap ass argument heh?
psshhhhh

Yeah but not seriously weakened, and yes the upgrade is now his powerset. Of course I admited it, I tell every time there is an upgrade or downgrade and show the whole fight. I cover everything not just scans that will make him look good. Well considering all those times Hulk was in a pissed off mood and in mid-fight and when Wrecker hit him he was listening to Thundeball's speech and then he attacked him. Did you see the scan at all? It wasn't a truely pissed off Hulk who is in battle mode and that's a HUGE difference. So when other people do PIS events it's garbage, but when Wolverine does it it's legit? hmmmm...

so we agree that Captain Universe Spiderman wins.