What, Brainchild. Are you the one who decides the tier list for each game, now?
EDIT: I have nothing against falcoon's designs, But, for god sakes get another designer as well. Have you seen his designs for kyo and Iori's alternate costumes, christ....
~Sado
Originally posted by aysongailNow you got me all interested. What does he say?
Sado i had a question for you & for P-geyser! Have you played KOF XI? It's About when Kyo beats Terry? im talking about the winning quotes...
Originally posted by Sado22That's easy. Tying w/the wuss. Berserk beating the wuss is still better than not beating the wuss @all. Tying w/the wuss all the time puts you @wuss level🙂
Yo! you know you've got me thinking about what's worse:
tying with a wuss
or only being able to beat a wuss once you go berserk.
Originally posted by Sado22😆He'd just gotten off the phone w/Takuma.
terry's a nice guy, isn't he? maybe he oughta write a children's book "The wolf and the crying tiger"
Originally posted by Sado22That punch or kick that KOed him might have been used on Terry otherwise. Geese is awesome, but he ain’t godtier
if you call being KO'd in the opening few minutes of a fight against a godtier character "help" then yeah
Originally posted by Sado22Thus helping him
as for the geese bit though, yes, but he didn't help Terry FIGHT them. he just weakened them to a degree.
Originally posted by Sado22If a younger Terry somehow took him down then so should Rock. Whether or not Geese underestimates him like he did Terry may also be a factor
you know this one's got me thinking?
how about Fatal Fury1 Geese🙂
Originally posted by Sado22😆 Nah. I’ve no desire to make people cry
nah....i like it. if you sent someone home crying cuz of that then that;s more reason to keep on doing sotake care
~Sado
Originally posted by P-GeyserI know you said stalemate, I wanna know how. W/Iori beating teams by himself & O.Iori wrecking people who Terry was unable to defeat & Terry having to gang up to stop O.Iori, how on earth can he fight him solo & not get his @ss handed to him?
On Orochi Iori...I thought I made it clear that in my opinion it would be a stalemate. I said I just can see somebody like Terry just getting offed by O Iori quickly. I will say this if Terry were to lose to O Iori, he sure as hell wont be going down the way of Billy and Eiji.
Originally posted by P-GeyserBesides Terry, FF didn’t have many contenders. He’s pretty much there just to fight Terry. & I’m quite sure Terry beat his @ss after the intro🙂
You would not be saying that if you played KOFMI2. Ryo is a combo beast. See Ryo must be a strong and worthy character or why would SNK make him a secret boss of FF Special and FF wild Ambition?...sadly though Sado is right on the intro of MI 2. In case you have not viewed it here it is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTs5To6sg1g....so I guess SNK thinks that Ryo is not a joke.
Originally posted by olympianKyo’s still a slacker. & you have yet to prove what you said about his skill because you can’t. Speculation, possibly for the purpose of making Kyo look bad to make Ryo look good.🙂
1- We wer discussing when he first showed up...thats the Orochi storyline. The discussion wasent about the current Kyo, but the one as you put it : the slacker kyo.
Originally posted by olympian 2- And where is the proof that Ryo did more than just figth at the level Ryu was figthing? Nowhere. He even was dissapointed at the fact the guy wasent at the top. No huge gap was showed between a non focused Ryu and a dissapointed Ryo. [/B]Now show how that proves normal Ryu & normal Ryo are on the same tier. It doesn’t. Maybe they are, but you can’t really draw any conclusion from that.
Originally posted by olympianI don’t. What are you speaking of?How come you feel heated when pll bring the storyline slacker Kyo or personal dislike for Iori? [/B]
Originally posted by olympian And just for grabs, three characters of the game have been added in recent KOF`s. Gai Tendo? The main Boss? The young student of Kim? [/B]And?
Originally posted by olympian 4- Every major plot related related with every major game of that universe. He had plot importance at AOF. He had plot importance at FF. And he had plot importance at KOF. And at B1. [/B]What has he done in the last 10 years of KOF that was important?
Originally posted by olympian Kyo hasent done that much since K` and Ash stepped up either. And thats only at "KOF". [/B]He’s a big part of the current storyline. What about Ryo?
Originally posted by olympian 5- I cant say. I read once there was an interview of a single guy claiming just that in a Japaneze gaming magazine. I give more credit by knowing that the "main guys" of said team created and produced both franchises instead, tho. They designed and created the game as the whole, wich includes the characters, the mood, the way of gaming etc.Not for me. Not until I hear somebody say “We created Ryu” or “we created all the characters”This is an issue that doesnt bother me at all. Its a fact the main creators wer the same. So "ripping off anothers work" its out of equation[/B]
Originally posted by olympian 6- I know. Thats why in my first (or second, i dont recall) post i said if they do the correct teamwork together they take him. If HOWEVER each tries to take him for its own fame, Terry gets the chance to shot Shingo first and then deal with Kyo. Two people can figth one, but they dont have to figth as an oiled team. [/B]Still doesn’t add up. Terry’s never beaten Kyo solo. He’s not beating Kyo w/help. What’s your opinion about Terry/Iori & Terry/Orochi Iori?
Besides Terry, FF didn’t have many contenders. He’s pretty much there just to fight Terry. & I’m quite sure Terry beat his @ss after the intro
Agreed... Y? terry Only uses one punch & Ryo Got Down And Became dizzy then in a counter part ryo uses SDM(i forgot the special power) to knock down Terry. Terry Stood Up then The Fyts continues
Originally posted by Sado22
get used to it....its an old habit of his
STUPID SF FANBOY!!! 😠
😄 😉
I can create my tier too. Its fun.
Originally posted by brainchild81
Kyo’s still a slacker. & you have yet to prove what you said about his skill because you can’t. Speculation, possibly for the purpose of making Kyo look bad to make Ryo look good.🙂
Now show how that proves normal Ryu & normal Ryo are on the same tier. It doesn’t. Maybe they are, but you can’t really draw any conclusion from that.
I don’t. What are you speaking of? And?
What has he done in the last 10 years of KOF that was important?
He’s a big part of the current storyline. What about Ryo?Not for me. Not until I hear somebody say “We created Ryu†or “we created all the charactersâ€
Still doesn’t add up. Terry’s never beaten Kyo solo. He’s not beating Kyo w/help. What’s your opinion about Terry/Iori & Terry/Orochi Iori?
1- Yes, Brainchild. A slacker =/> trained. We know 😎
2- yes, Brainchild. One guy didnt bothered and another wasent at his best. It shows a massive gap rigth there.
3- Cant do anything for you then. I showed enough proof to my side.
4- We obviously have different views of Terry, so well leave it at that. I feel i already answered to that one.
And dont feel bad for Terry in the intro. Its obvious that the sun momentarily blinded him.
Originally posted by olympianThis is getting old. Some people have more natural talent for things than others do. If you don't get it or choose not to it's not my problem.
1- Yes, Brainchild. A slacker =/> trained. We know 😎
Originally posted by olympian*sigh* This is also getting old. I'm not saying anything about a gap. I'm trying really hard not to talk down to you, but I really don't see how I can explain this better. What exactly does a fight between a non focused Ryu & a not trying his hardest Ryo prove about a fight between Ryu & Ryo @ their best?
2- yes, Brainchild. One guy didnt bothered and another wasent at his best. It shows a massive gap rigth there.
Originally posted by olympianNah. You really didn't
3- Cant do anything for you then. I showed enough proof to my side.
Originally posted by olympian😆 copout.
4- We obviously have different views of Terry, so well leave it at that. I feel i already answered to that one.
1- It sure is. Naturals start out as good or better than skilled MA, even if they lack you know, the training. Natural "slackers" (i.e, lazy= your words, not mine) moreso.
2- If there should be one talking down, it should be me. Good thing that i am patient : It proves that games oriented material doesnt have him as a "loser" as you put it anymore than pretty much all the others.
First, you made the lame attemp to convey that there was "luck" in Ryo`s showing. And now, in the end you admit they look equalish and neither at theyr best. While that answer is the correct one, your consistency is marvelous.
3- Of course not. Just the official credits of both games that *somehow* in a *misterious way* explain why they are *similiar*. Thats more than i can say for you.
4- "We obviously have different views on Terry" + " i know i said this before and *again* you wont like the answer because you place Terry differently than i do ".
For me, Terry is above Kyo. Shingo isent equal to either. They win if they double team without any doubts of acting as a team. Its not Kyo that matters here. Its Shingo since hes the weak link of all. And Kyo can lose with Terry anyday. Answered. For the last time.
So, was this telegram type of an answer amusing and enligthing? 😉
Originally posted by olympian😮 You just don't get it. Kyo has training. His dad trained him. Kyo's a fast learner when it comes to MA's (not school). Kyo is lazy and a slacker, but he knows how to fight. He trains, but not as much as others. He can still compete and be victorious against most because he is naturally that damn good. Can someone else please explain these things to him. You've downrated Kyo's skills and to "prove" it you've provided nothing but speculation and poor attempts @ sarcasm. (Leave it to the pros mane 🙂). Do you have proof(I'll even take some good psuedo proof over what you've given so far. I don't care for your speculation) that Kyo "didn't have the skill to back it up"? If not, end of discussion.
1- It sure is. Naturals start out as good or better than skilled MA, even if they lack you know, the training. Natural "slackers" (i.e, lazy= your words, not mine) moreso.
Originally posted by olympianNaw. Naw. You said it proves that they were in the same tier. It doesn't. Please don't pretend that it does. You can think they are all you want. But that fight don't prove it.
2- If there should be one talking down, it should be me. Good thing that i am patient : It proves that games oriented material doesnt have him as a "loser" as you put it anymore than pretty much all the others.
Originally posted by olympian😆 Almost as marvelous as your reading comprehension. I still feel that Ryo was lucky to go up against a non-focused Ryu. You don't. That's all their is to it. You somehow seem to think that a fight between a non-focused Ryu & a Ryo that could tell he wasn't focused proves that Normal Ryo & Ryu are in the are in the same tier. That's just plain stupid. & I really don't remember saying they looked "equalish". Especially since it would mean absolutely nothing in a full on @ their best fight. Where did I say they looked "equalish"? Quote me so I can see this post myself.
First, you made the lame attemp to convey that there was "luck" in Ryo`s showing. And now, in the end you admit they look equalish and neither at theyr best. While that answer is the correct one, your consistency is marvelous.
Originally posted by olympianShow me somebody claiming to have created both characters or END OF DISCUSSION because you got nothing.
3- Of course not. Just the official credits of both games that *somehow* in a *misterious way* explain why they are *similiar*. Thats more than i can say for you.
Originally posted by olympianBased on feats (which?), or you liking Terry more? Side note--In that manga we both seem to like, Geese beats the s**t and life outta Terry(1 sided as it gets) and then has a pretty good battle w/Kyo. Telling Kyo "You're not much better than Terry" 🙂
4- "We obviously have different views on Terry" + " i know i said this before and *again* you wont like the answer because you place Terry differently than i do ".For me, Terry is above Kyo.
Originally posted by olympianPoorly enough 🙂 Kyo & Shingo have been teammates and get along well. Teamwork will obviously not be an issue. Sure Kyo can lose to Terry, that's why Terry's bested him in so many KOFs.🙂
Shingo isent equal to either. They win if they double team without any doubts of acting as a team. Its not Kyo that matters here. Its Shingo since hes the weak link of all. And Kyo can lose with Terry anyday. Answered. For the last time.
Originally posted by olympianIf one considers lame sarcasm & lack of comprehension amusing & enlightening, your post was downright hilarious and highly educational hysterical
So, was this telegram type of an answer amusing and enligthing? 😉
Yo brain,
You just don't get it. Kyo has training. His dad trained him. Kyo's a fast learner when it comes to MA's (not school). Kyo is lazy and a slacker, but he knows how to fight. He trains, but not as much as others. He can still compete and be victorious against most because he is naturally that damn good. Can someone else please explain these things to him. You've downrated Kyo's skills and to "prove" it you've provided nothing but speculation and poor attempts @ sarcasm. (Leave it to the pros mane ). Do you have proof(I'll even take some good psuedo proof over what you've given so far. I don't care for your speculation) that Kyo "didn't have the skill to back it up"? If not, end of discussion.
However, i want to make something clear to all of you:
Kyo isn't a slacker when it comes to fighting. upon his defeat to geonitz, kyo changed and upgraded his whole damn movelist. he put effort. even though he was in an ICU, he got up and started practiscing and reinventing himself. that is the willpower and stuff of heroes that others have (though let it be known that even caonwise, no one has more heart than TErry Bogard). in that i don't believe kyo to be the slacker people accuse him off. also, since KoF99 Kyo has gotten more serious and actually started training hard and new since he was more focused to get back revenge. again he reinvented himself and upgraded his moves. takes a lot to reinvent oneself as a fighter and i guess its time you try and acknowledge that much, olympian...though i intend no offense.
and brain, you're not THE pro when it comes to sarcasm...stay in your place, green belter😉
Almost as marvelous as your reading comprehension. I still feel that Ryo was lucky to go up against a non-focused Ryu. You don't. That's all their is to it. You somehow seem to think that a fight between a non-focused Ryu & a Ryo that could tell he wasn't focused proves that Normal Ryo & Ryu are in the are in the same tier. That's just plain stupid. & I really don't remember saying they looked "equalish". Especially since it would mean absolutely nothing in a full on @ their best fight. Where did I say they looked "equalish"? Quote me so I can see this post myself.
Show me somebody claiming to have created both characters or END OF DISCUSSION because
Based on feats (which?), or you liking Terry more? Side note--In that manga we both seem to like, Geese beats the s**t and life outta Terry(1 sided as it gets) and then has a pretty good battle w/Kyo. Telling Kyo "You're not much better than Terry"
Poorly enough Kyo & Shingo have been teammates and get along well. Teamwork will obviously not be an issue. Sure Kyo can lose to Terry, that's why Terry's bested him in so many KOFs.
Hope you're not offended, dude, but saying things the way i'm seeing it.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22😆 I'm trying to retire from sarcasm mane. When I'm done w/it you won't be able to fill my shoes.
Yo brain,the thing i guess he's trying to get at is that Kyo is a slacker and since he is one he can't have the "courage" or "heart". if someone doesn't like to work hard, and if someone hates effort, how much of himself can you expect a fighter to give. not to mention how ALL of kyo's tough bouts had him getting help from Iori, Terry, chizuru and later K'...amongst others. Kyo has always RELIED on people to save his ass. Geonitz schooled him once...and then he was schooling him again till Iori showed up and saved his ass. same happened with the ORochi. THat, i believe, is the point that olympian is trying to make. compare that to someone who has the most heart in SNKverse, TErry bogard.
However, i want to make something clear to all of you:
Kyo isn't a slacker when it comes to fighting. upon his defeat to geonitz, kyo changed and upgraded his whole damn movelist. he put effort. even though he was in an ICU, he got up and started practiscing and reinventing himself. that is the willpower and stuff of heroes that others have (though let it be known that even caonwise, no one has more heart than TErry Bogard). in that i don't believe kyo to be the slacker people accuse him off. also, since KoF99 Kyo has gotten more serious and actually started training hard and new since he was more focused to get back revenge. again he reinvented himself and upgraded his moves. takes a lot to reinvent oneself as a fighter and i guess its time you try and acknowledge that much, olympian...though i intend no offense.and brain, you're not THE pro when it comes to sarcasm...stay in your place, green belter😉
Originally posted by Sado22Nobody and that's what I've been saying. Read what I've said a while back. I've already said it can't be proven or disproven. He wants it to be proof to make Ryo look good.
keeping aside that COMICS AND ANIMES ARE NOT CANON.
actually i find you as guilty of "misjudging" as you claim olympian to be. true that no focused Ryu losing to Ryo doesn't sum up to Fair fight. however, you are still being too fanboyish. what proof is there that focused Ryu would beat Ryo? who is to say that Ryu and Ryo will not be equal tier if Ryu was focused?
Originally posted by Sado22I asked him to copy & paste since I don't see the English. Did said data say, "We created Ryu too"?
he doesn't need to. he even posted the link for you to read that information. if you still don't want to believe it then its not his fault.
Originally posted by Sado22We know that, but it's still fun to talk about them & it seems you might be inadvertantly using them as well.
COMIC MANGA AND ANIME NOT OFFICIAL. CAN WE PLEASE REALIZE THAT ALREADY. ME HAVING TO SAY IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN IS GETTING TEDIOUS.
Originally posted by Sado22Speculation on my part. I hope I've been saying "think".
dude you know for a fact that Kyo and Terry stalemated. however, you claim that Terry was saved by the bell which isn't the case.
Originally posted by Sado22Then why does everybody seem to think he's gonna kick Kyo's @ss. Popularity?
it was a STALEMATE. as in draw. as in the fight wasn't getting anywhere since they were equal in skill.
Originally posted by Sado22Never that dude. You're supposed to speak your mind and I respect that. However, this thing w/Terry & Alba fighting Duke is straight from the comics. Where did you get it from? You've yet to answer that
if you claim Kyo the "winner" then i could always claim that Terry won too since we don't know jack.
and don't forget that Terry is apparently the one who went to the finals in one-on-one KoF MI. Iori, k', wussanagi still didn't reach the finals. one on one, TErry still reached the finals and that SHOULD tell you something...and no i'm not taking this out of the comics.
and Kyo's TEAM bested TErry's TEAM. you're equation is all wrong.Hope you're not offended, dude, but saying things the way i'm seeing it.
~Sado
I personally don't consider any of the characters originating in KOF: MI to be on par with the people in the regular KOF series. KOF: MI is garbage. Not one character in there deserves to be associated with KOF. Terry could beat Duke himself, he doesn't need a piece of shit like Alba. I actually think Terry&Ryu have a good shot of winning. Kyo has been out right exposed as overrated thanks to Falcoon. I outlined my thesis on that in one of the recent threads, I think it was one of the threads with KOF in it. I'll find it later. The point is, Kyo is the weak link here. Iori's good, but I doubt he can beat Terry and Ryu by himself. Iori is roughly on par with Terry. Ryu is around the same level. Kyo is less than Terry and Iori. Terry&Ryu win after a tough fight.
Not sure about Terry beating Duke. He's pretty hardcore. In that book he was damn near invincible. The MI characters aren't that horrible in deeds, just designs. Kinda like Ash. Kyo @ worst is equal to Terry. Iori just owns him(Terry too🙂) Goenitz having to fight w/Kyo puts Kyo above Terry in my book
Originally posted by aysongail😆 Still got the worst logic ever I see. This fight happened in the comics. Comics aren't usually canon. If Sado shows me his source got it from a canon source or that the comic is canon, I'll gladly accept it. Still, Kyo Iori & Rock were never really eliminated from what I remember. Hell, Rock was kidnapped by Duke during his fight w/Alba. (Duke got beef w/the Howards 'cause years ago Duke went into Geese tower to challenge Geese. He came out w/a big open wound on his neck. Everybody thought he'd die, but he somehow lived)It's a one on 1 tourney & yet they jump Duke? Guess Kyo ain't the only person w/help. You should be the last one to mention fanboy though. Seriously🙂 You're like the posterboy for fanboyism mane. Fall back broseph mane 😄
Brainchild CAn't Accept the FACT the Terry & Alba reach 2 duke... You think that it should be Kyo or Iori am i ryt? You really a FANBOY ei! FAct is Fact That Terry Still Unbeaten... KOF MI2 One-One as you see That Terry Can reach up to the top & He Always Proven That He was Worthy...
Originally posted by TricksterPriestI do think Ryu & Iori are around the same level. I seem to remember your thesis explaining how far Iori is above Kyo. The explaination to Terry being better than Kyo was lacking. What feats put him above Kyo & on par w/Iori?
Terry could beat Duke himself, he doesn't need a piece of shit like Alba. I actually think Terry&Ryu have a good shot of winning. Kyo has been out right exposed as overrated thanks to Falcoon. I outlined my thesis on that in one of the recent threads, I think it was one of the threads with KOF in it. I'll find it later. The point is, Kyo is the weak link here. Iori's good, but I doubt he can beat Terry and Ryu by himself. Iori is roughly on par with Terry. Ryu is around the same level. Kyo is less than Terry and Iori. Terry&Ryu win after a tough fight.