Terry & Ryu Vs Kyo & Iori

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My bad... I got alpha 1 and Alpha 2 mixed up... (Thats what I get for playing Anthologies till 4 in the morning... 😛 )

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
My bad... I got alpha 1 and Alpha 2 mixed up... (Thats what I get for playing Anthologies till 4 in the morning... 😛 )

When is capcom going to make another street fighter, let alone another good game. Games now a days are dissapointments.

I want to know this too, but it's been years now since 3rd strike, and no new word has come out of Capcom... I often wonder if they are actually considering scrapping Street Fighter all together....

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I want to know this too, but it's been years now since 3rd strike, and no new word has come out of Capcom... I often wonder if they are actually considering scrapping Street Fighter all together....

Wow, if they scrap street fighter then I've lost my intrest in video games. the only thing that even holds my intrest in gaming overall is team ninja. Video Games have become a gimmick.

"Nah. I just respect how he, TP, Remulous & a few others realize this ain’t nothing to get upset about. & I don’t get all teary eyed when he says something I don’t agree with. Unlike some people “ but Sado…..I thought you were as crazy as I am. Now I’m sad. I have mixed feelings. Why, God? Why?” Want me to get you a box of tissues, mane?"

Wow man you actually have alot of time on your hands to quote everything....and now I have a baby and whats with the Broseph Homie?
I think that translation sounds exactly like you. Am I teary eyed?...really?...dont get me a box of tissues...a redhead and a blonde would do nice 😄 Now you are calling me insane...not suprised on that comment either.

"What’s really sad is that in your world, thinking that Terry can lose to a few people equates to hate. Shame. Poor, insane PG. He seems to think this stuff is real life. My translation was @least based on truth"

Not really MANE...like I stated Terry has his ups and downs and he can lose just like any other fighter which I have stated before. Now look who is doing the name calling...now I am Insane because Brainchild81 said so.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Okay, what the hell happened?

I might have to read this thread just to see how it became word wars.

Well BC claiming that I am not logical and now as I read I am insane according to him.

Can someone give me a legitimate reason as to why Iori and kyo are perceved to be stronger than terry?

"P.S. p-geyser and you should consider how new year and christmas is coming up. its time for love and peace!"

Yeah man...good point. I will try to stop with the word wars but he needs to stop with his assumptions of me stating how I cant take it if a character I like loses which is not the case as well as his "being logical" statements. Though I have to ask man about the Terry and Shingo deal. Wouldn't Terry's experience be enough for him to get rid of Shingo quick?

Shingo is no were near Terry's level or Kyo's for that matter. Wouldn't Terry just be able to get rid of him fast than deal with Kyo?. If it were Terry fighting Kyo and Iori I would say it's a different story(guess that statement was not logical)just curious though.

Though are you actually sure Terry and Kyo stalemated?....cause it does not state that on the other sites I have checked. It does state the Japan Team have won but I read somewhere else that it is the women's team that faced Kyo's team in the finals...since Terry and Ryo stalemated. I believe you know who Kailu Lantis is...if not he is the guy who wrote the KOF faqs and even he said he used his best judgement and he never stated that Kyo did infact actually defeated Terry Bogard.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Can someone give me a legitimate reason as to why Iori and kyo are perceved to be stronger than terry?

Well form alot of the Kyo and Iori fans I talked to it's because they defeated Orochi.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Well form alot of the Kyo and Iori fans I talked to it's because they defeated Orochi.

They defeated chris who acted as an avatar for a half powered orochi, with the help of chiziru. I guess chizuru can defeat terry as well 🙄

😆 yeah and I as I have stated the KOF comics have Iori and Kyo tooling teams by the themselves. Though Ryo is treated fairly well, Terry gets jobbed like you would not believe.

TErry & Ryu will win this Fight Pair & Square... The Only REASON for this They are EQUAL FIGHTERS & Both Stronger Or Equal They Respect Each Other. if Both Equal Fighters Join forces & teamed up It will be a Blast... 100% Terry & Ryu will win without a doubt...

k, one thing pisses me off. You keep bringing up how Kyo beat Rugal. That was a team effort. 2nd, Rugal was fighting everyone else, so he was a bit drained. I think Rugal got jobbed. Chizuru herself said that they didn't beat Rugal in 95'. He self-destructed, but he was beating almost the entire 95's roster. Guy got screwed over.

Hey i never said that. you're gettin me mixed up with "brainiac" 😉
[just a friendly jab brainchild, lol]
True. Rugal self destructed. EVERYONE (except Iori) were in the show fighting him. Terry, Ryo and others were helping mama's boy, Kyo, to take him out. there are somethings that i need to revamp on my site as i've done more cross reading in these few weeks...damn virus now i can't even update my site! So yeah, Rugal is one tough mofo. IMO its no surprise that he is placed as Akuma's equal in all the versus series by Capcom (and is actually shown kicking the shit out of akuma, mind you, while no such thing is shown for Akuma. tells a lot).

so brainchild, does this mean that the KoF casts is really weak or Rugal is a tough mother****er from hell. mind you Rugal was no where in Geonitz's league and Geonitz was nowehre in ORochi's league. i think all the orochi guys would own Akuma, Bison and probably even Gill (barring his boring resurrection bull).

You're being facetious. In reverse order: You CANNOT compare Grant and Akuma. That's a joke. Grant is badass, but he's nowhere near as tough as Gouki.

hmmm......
its is your opinion that Akuma and Grant are not equal. just the way it is my opinion they are. looking at how you tend to you "facts and logic", lets examine in together.
storywise grant can shake they earth by just powering up for ****'s sake! that is damn power. i don't recall Gouki doing that at all in any of the series.
Grant is ****ing supernatural. storywise he has powered up so much that his body is shattering due to it being "an inhuman strain". as in beyond human body parameters. as in beyond human potential. as in beyond human. as in just-like-akuma....except that akuma is not falling apart....so maybe....just maybe...grant has a power limit even beyond akuma's.
Grant is like rugal...the orochi power strain was so much that Rugal self destructed. same with grant. and i already mentioned above how Rugal>>the whole KoF95 cast shows that he'd probably>akuma too.
i hope you get it now.
so...Grant=Akuma if not Grant>Akuma.

Frankly, the jin twins are overrated IMO. Don't consider them God-tier.

you're opinion doesn't matter in the face of canon facts. SNK states they were godtiers. period. yes, i fully understand that they look like shit. but canon remains canon.

Nightmare Geese.... not canon. But even with how good Terry is, I'm not sure he would win that one. Btw, in Real Bout:FF, Krauser is actually stronger than Geese

nightmare Geese is the geese with the power of the scrolls of immortality. canonwise, when terry defeated him the only thing that geese was stopped from reading by terry was the "immortal" bit. Nightmare Geese is the geese with that immortal bit. he had already gotten the power from them. do you understand? hence the Geese terry fought at FFRB was the Geese with the power of Nightmare Geese. Hence, Geese=Nightmare Geese.

Yes, Ryu did beat Hugo. The shinshoryuken may not have laid him out or killed him, but it wasn't designed for that. And I bet you Hugo was having a little trouble standing after that. That he was still standing is impressive, but it's abit like a TKO. It definetly took a toll on him.

Ryu beating Hugo is not canon nor is it confirmed. tiamat and all other writers and translaters are merely speculating. all capcom ever said is that Ryu did a direct shitshoryuken and hugo was still NOT felled. period.
i already said i could be wrong about it. its just that logically if you can't knock down someone with your strongest move, i don't see anyother move doing the trick. that is all.

Rose beating Bison.... I saw her ending in SFA2. Bison got back up and whupped her. I'm still having a hard time believing she beat Bison.

Empror Ashtar answered it for you and Darkstormzero. thanks emperor.

Gouken told Ryu not to pursue Gouki and let himself be consumed by satsui no hado. Given that, I'd say he'd approve more of Ken than Ryu. Ironic, a martial arts master telling his students to get a life instead of train.

lol...i guess he realized that living alone in the mountains and being a "martial arts tree hugging hippy" wasn't as cool as he'd orginally thought. lol.....too bad ryu still hasn't figured that out yet.

Yes, I actually think Terry has a 50/50 shot of beating Ryu. Same odds for Ken. I put Ken&Ryu at approximately the same level not counting satsui no hado. Ryu is somewhat better than Ken, but the difference isn't that big. Plus, Ryu's blueballs will make him lose from stress. Guy needs to get laid so he can stop being sto stodgy

agreed about the ken and ryu bit. even with all this ken and ryu are 2 to 2 in win ratio....kinda sucks if you go around being a sexually deprived loser with the "fight is all" banter and after all that a guy with a life, a hot wife and a kid comes and schools your ass. poor ryu.

'Zaki was a beast in FF. Maybe even more powerful than Krauser and Geese. Terry beat him, but it was a uphill battle

agreed. yamazaki is pretty toned down in the KoF series. you're talking about a guy who is s tough he even rejected Riot of blood when guys like Iori couldn't. that tells a lot IMO, no?
also Terry had lost his focus thanx to the fact that he needed to hurry up and stop the Jin's. i read that eventually hon-fu arrived and told terry to go on and he distracted zaki enough for terry to reach the jins. that's what i read. don't know about your story of terry beating him though. where did you read that? (if i remember correct, terry beat zaki in FFRB).

Last point: Don't see Rock beating Terry. Terry taught him his moves and how to fight. Maybe in about 5 years at least, he could beat Terry in a close match. Because I agree. The kid is the future and a fighting prodigy. But it will be some time before he can beat the lonely wolf.

totally. Terry has faced and defeated/tied with much tougher opponents. Terry>Rock any day in the week.
"Hey ROOKIE! time for some spanking!" 🙂

see ya around dude.
~Sado

I have to agree with Sado especially about Yamazaki being watered down in the KOF series. I actually think most of the Fatal Fury characters are watered down in KOF than in their own series.

Look at Geese in KOF 96. He is still awesome but that fails in comparision to his real bout versions.

yeah and I as I have stated the KOF comics have Iori and Kyo tooling teams by the themselves. Though Ryo is treated fairly well, Terry gets jobbed like you would not believe.

Terry was treated relatively alright till kof95. then it was ryo all the way till like Kof99. then terry again. weird stupid NONCANON bullshit.
you remember KoF96 comics where the whole Kusanagi/Yagami fued was because the "emperor of japan" didn't give the Yagami as many riches as the Kusanagi. haha.
oh and the bit where Iori was black haired till he killed his mother and her blood fell on his hair and since then his hair have been red. haha.
oh oh oh and the Tekken team that was there in the KoF96. hahahha.
stupid comic bullshit.
NON CANON PEOPLE! ALWAYS KEEP THAT IN MIND!

Can someone give me a legitimate reason as to why Iori and kyo are perceved to be stronger than terry?

there is none. Terry has faced them all and was undefeated. i'd be damned if i knew where these people come up with this stuff.
you're probably as confused as me.
welcome to the club....i'm the president, sado 😆

Wow, if they scrap street fighter then I've lost my intrest in video games. the only thing that even holds my intrest in gaming overall is team ninja. Video Games have become a gimmick

apparently 'capcom of japan' is selling of the franchise to 'capcom of US'. so probably the franchise isn't dead..........but with 'capcom of us' its better if it did cuz they really know how to **** things up.

Which shows you Bison's unearthly power, not Ryu's weakness... I'm not sure if you realise this, but when Bison had the Psycho Drive, he could match almost anyone you could name from any SNK made fighting game short of Orochi.

agreed here. you're actually right here on this one.

And if you want to talk about win/loss records, how come Terry hasn't been seen in a KOF final match for the past 12 years?

simple:
Terry is the unbeaten wolf.
his team has lost. not him. kof is "team fights". terry stalemated with Kyo on more than one occassion but had his team lose because kyo's team happened to have one or two fighters left while terry's were done. that's how.

And lets not forget, Ryu did defeat Akuma once too... And he is the one that used the Shoryuken that put Alpha 3 Bison down, tag team or not.

false. no capcom statement ever made as such.
also, if oro and akuma stalemated and oro>Ryu, then Akuma would > Ryu too...specially a younger ryu.

And I beleive the Hugo thing was already explained... Don't bring that up again please... What makes you think Terry's Power Strem would work any better?

for the sake of you, me and our fingers....yes, lets not bring it up. 😂
like in the other thread, lets leave it at that again.
nice to see you here again by the way.

~Sado.

About hugo and ryu, It's unconfirmed if he survived a shin shoryuken. I think it was confirmed before, they just have a problem finding the source.

Thats nothing Sado....I recall in one KOF comic, it had both Kyo and Iori continuing their battle IN THE ARCADES 😆

Did you read my question to you on this site about The Terry and Kyo deal?

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Thats nothing Sado....I recall in one KOF comic, it had both Kyo and Iori continuing their battle IN THE ARCADES 😆

Did you read my question to you on this site about The Terry and Kyo deal?

This is why I dislike kof, playmore should let sega design there franchises like they did in Neo Geo Battle collseium.

Originally posted by P-Geyser

Wow man you actually have alot of time on your hands to quote everything....and now I have a baby and whats with the Broseph Homie?
I think that translation sounds exactly like you. Am I teary eyed?...really?...dont get me a box of tissues...a redhead and a blonde would do nice 😄 Now you are calling me insane...not suprised on that comment either. Not really MANE...like I stated Terry has his ups and downs and he can lose just like any other fighter which I have stated before.
Then why do you take such offense whenever I mention him losing, even though it's only to a few characters? It doesn't make sense to me.I got broseph from Anchorman: Legend of Ron Burgandy. I just think it sounds funny.It's not meant to be an insult.
Originally posted by P-Geyser
Now look who is doing the name calling..
That's a response to me being singled out when both I and Remu say Ryo sucks & call him a ripoff. That points to you having some kind of internet beef w/me which is kind of insane from my POV.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
You're being facetious. In reverse order: You CANNOT compare Grant and Akuma. That's a joke. Grant is badass, but he's nowhere near as tough as Gouki.
Ditto. Terry beat Grant. Terry'd lose to Akuma & sado says that himself on his site. I agree & thus Akuma>>Grant

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
About my theory. I didn't neglect the general weakness. But I looked at it this way. If Iori could do that at less than 50% power, with the blood riot handicap, then he could do it at full power. They were all at approximately the same level of exhaustion. Iori was worse off because of the riot taking a toll on his body and weakening him further.
This IMO just proves how far above Kyo & Terry that Iori really is. As far as Terry/Kyo goes there's been nothing but stalemates or possibly Terry losing by time because Kyo's always getting farther in the KOF tourney.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
So yes, Terry has a shot of beating Kyo&Shingo.
Nah. He's gotta be able to beat & not stalemate Kyo 1st. He hasn't, so there's no way he's whoopin Kyo w/help. It's simple math.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He might, he might not. He has the advantage of not being blood stupid and experience. Though, O. Iori has considerable endurance and dogged persistance.
& that would easily allow him to overcome any advantage Terry might have. Hell, his experience hasn't helped him to beat Kyo or regular Iori yet. Took a gaggle of fighters including Terry to subdue O.Iori. How can Terry even hope to take him by himself? No chance. Dude beats teams by himself & that's before riot mode. & O.Iori attacking Orochi instead of Kyo suggests O.Iori has some reasoning.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ok, one thing pisses me off. You keep bringing up how Kyo beat Rugal. That was a team effort. 2nd, Rugal was fighting everyone else, so he was a bit drained. I think Rugal got jobbed.
It's implied that Beni & Goro were beaten very quick. They didn't add much to the battle, but I'll give them partial credit. Kyo featuring his teammates🙂 Still though, Goenitz actually had to fight w/Kyo for a while whereas his fight w/Rugal took less than a second for him to win.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Last point: Don't see Rock beating Terry. Terry taught him his moves and how to fight. Maybe in about 5 years at least, he could beat Terry in a close match. Because I agree. The kid is the future and a fighting prodigy. But it will be some time before he can beat the lonely wolf.
If Rock beat Kain, I just don't see Terry giving him that much trouble.

Originally posted by Sado22
hmmm......
its is your opinion that Akuma and Grant are not equal. just the way it is my opinion they are. looking at how you tend to you "facts and logic", lets examine in together.
storywise grant can shake they earth by just powering up for ****'s sake! that is damn power. i don't recall Gouki doing that at all in any of the series.
Grant is ****ing supernatural. storywise he has powered up so much that his body is shattering due to it being "an inhuman strain". as in beyond human body parameters. as in beyond human potential. as in beyond human. as in just-like-akuma....except that akuma is not falling apart....so maybe....just maybe...grant has a power limit even beyond akuma's.
Grant is like rugal...the orochi power strain was so much that Rugal self destructed. same with grant. and i already mentioned above how Rugal>>the whole KoF95 cast shows that he'd probably>akuma too.
i hope you get it now.
so...Grant=Akuma if not Grant>Akuma.

I already answered all of this in the Grant vs Akuma thread, your OPPINIONS arn't facts...