I find it amusing and ironic for Capt to be using the PIS argument.
Any way, they way I see it, DD holds the advantage of skill, agility, and pressure points. His radar allows him to get the drop on Wolverine and avoid him whenever he tries to swipe his claws at him.
Logan can take some damage, sure, but his healing factor can be taxed. It would take some time of course, but I can see the pressure points taking their toll eventually.
Well since you took the time to address each one of my sentencesw, its only fair I do the same. First off, I need to warn you, I will prove you wrong. Your knowledge of Wolverine is skewed. You place a little bit too much stock in his abilities. And before you blame me of the same with respect to Daredevil, I still give this fight an even split. On to the ownage:
Originally posted by capt it upNo. Iron Fist is masquerading as DD, OUTSIDE of jail. DD inside jail is indeed DD. You really should pick up a DD comic, I pity you don't read him at all because it shows in the next couple of posts of yours.
wasent that IF pretending to be DD. Any ways hammerhead would get wrecked by logan
Originally posted by capt it upWolverine does not heal instantly. He's not like the T-1000, where a bullet makes a big hole and then his form heals up in seconds. Wolverine takes time to heal, its all over his comics and the X-Men comics. Same way it'd take a little while for his liver to glue itself back again, it'd take a little while for his tendons to heal. But a little while isn't 1-5 seconds, you're talking about minutes at the minimum.
That was a plot device to even out the fight nothing that made much sense since it should have healed instantly how ever logan had not rest or eaten in weeks not to mention he had just been in a fight prior to this encagement. This would never work on 100% logan becuase the wound would heal instantly.
Originally posted by capt it upLet me say one thing, nerves are the last thing to heal, if they ever heal, biologically speaking. You can ask any doctor about that. And second, even if that does not apply to Wolverine, his healing is still not instant. Nerve damage doesn't need to be lasting, as long as it lasts half a minute, that's more than enough time.
Which would not work as well, because nerve damage is damage and would heal instantly having no last affect and doing pretty much nothing against logan not to mention allow logan to stab DD.
Originally posted by capt it upHe uses nerve fighting moves against top tier martial artists. Sorry. You should read more Daredevil. DD beat Wolvie in one panel. He also beat Wolverine in Logan's own book while being ambushed by ninjas.
Very unskilled opponents not trop tier martial artist, not to mention they would never work. Logan has also fought DD in a strictly h2h fight and took him out in 3 panels.
Originally posted by capt it upBy all rights, DD shouldn't be able to pick apart a man made of living diamond, but he did. It was pretty neat and all he needed was a pistol as a chipping tool. It made perfect sense since diamonds have flaws in them and his radar sense told him exactly where to strike. Either way, don't criticize the outcome when it's obvious you haven't even read the fight, which is a shame, because that was seriously a mean feat.
Absorbing man a terrible fighter that not to mention there no way DD should ever defeat a man who can turn into any material.
Originally posted by capt it upLogan has been stabbed in the throat, I remember when he was pinned down before his last fight with Gorgon. I remember him needing several SHIELD agents to pull it out, do you?
You mean that throat jabb that was PIS since logan has been stab in the same area with a sword and kept fighting on a number of occasions.
Originally posted by capt it upI sure can prove he uses them on Black Widow and Punisher. Read Daredevil #4 in the 'Guardian Devil' story by Kevin Smith. DD puts Black Widow down in one move on a rooftop when he was a little mental with a nerve pinch to the Achilles, I have the comic, but can't scan it now. Maybe another time. And as for Punisher, well I already have a scan of his fight from the DD vs. Punisher series, 'Means and Ends.' Take a look, because that's how DD does it. He doesn't need to sneak up on people to do this crap, he does it mid-fight when guys are punching, kicking, charging. Shots to the arms, legs and neck. Yeah, he'd do it while Wolvie was slashing also:
Can you prove these two?
Mr Hyde went toe to toe with the Hulk then fell out of an plane, I think he has pretty high durability (though he was Ko'd when Spidey threw him through about 7 walls and out of a skyscrapper, maybe he had an upgrade since then but he still seemed pretty damn strong)
Anyway I'd give this to Logan he seems faster more skilled more durable and a more effective weapon.
Been done. Pretty long too.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/383128_1-wolverine-vs-daredevil
Logan's jealous of Matt! 😖hifty:
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This thread doesn't have long before it's closed anyway, this was done less than two hours ago- http://www.killermovies.com/forums/435061_1-daredevil-vs-wolverine
I don't understand why someone who pulls bullets out of their own body with their claws wouldn't be able to block out the pain of a nerve attack. Wolverine's (and punisher's for that matter) pain tolorance should make nerve attacks almost useless...
unless the concept at marvel is that there are ways to touch the wrist that induce paralasys in the hand.
Either way, 7-8/10 for wolverine. Even if matt is a better fighter (which is probably debateable) or is faster or more agile (again debateable) most of his potential chances of victory come from getting close to wolverine and attacking. The fact that wolverine has huge claws sticking out of his hands makes this a less than desireable option. imho, the claws tip the balance, its also the only reason spidey vs wolvie is even a reasonable fight
Re: Wolverine vs Daredevil
Originally posted by Benny GWrong!
Wolverine 10/10
Wolverine 9/10.
You have to allow the Wolvy haters at least 1 win...even against weaklings like DD.
Originally posted by BadabingHe may have more acute hearing, but Wolverine's sense of smell is more acute if I remember correctly. He was able to detect a fake Reed Richards in one of the Infinity Crossovers and DD was like, "Is his sense of smell really that much better than mine?"
Nope. Daredevil has more acute senses.
Originally posted by MetalmanxHA! Pathetic.
5/10.
Originally posted by PriestHa!! Nearly as pathetic as above.
wolverine wins 6/10
Originally posted by MetalmanxSnort. Wrong! Except for Mr. Hyde I dont see any of these guys shrugging off hits from the Hulk.
Except that he does have ways of putting Logan down. He's done it before, and he's also done it against far stronger, as durable and more durable opponents:-Owl
-Bullseye
-Beetle
-Bushwacker
-Mister Hyde
Originally posted by capt it upHAHAHAHA!!! Too good.
he does not need radar he can see.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Yeah, follow Cap's losing strategy, good idea.
First off, a smart Daredevil would fight Wolverine Cap-style and disable his claws. Cap did it by crushng his tendons... that was fantastically badass, btw! Daredevil would be more subtle and just strike his nerves in his forearms.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0No, he would have an impossible time doing it, especially since Wolverine is going to hit him first...and then DD will die.
Daredevil physically would have a tough time 'overloading' his healing factor.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Which is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The best example of a skilled martial artist using pressure points on a high level brick happened the first time Wolverine met Rogue back with Storm and Carol in the Pentagon.
but DD's fights half his fights with nasty nerve pinch moves and he doesn't usually use the ones that REALLY hurt. He sensed the tiniest fractures in a diamond Absorbing Man and hit them at the exact angle to make him chip. He did this when he had been busted up, not once, but over and over again to make Absorbing Man fall apart.
It did nothing. Which is exactly how it should be. If Wolverine's pressure points and nerve pinches dont work on Rogue DD's shouldn't work on anyone with any kind of enhanced durability. And likewise DD's nerve strikes on Wolverine will be ineffective a split second after the damage occurs, while Wolvy's nerve strikes on DD will result in death for horn head.
Originally posted by Accel
Any way, they way I see it, DD holds the advantage of skill, agility, and pressure points. His radar allows him to get the drop on Wolverine and avoid him whenever he tries to swipe his claws at him.
Originally posted by AccelNot by DD. If Spidey can't tax Wolverine's OLD healing factor DD has no chance against Current HF.
Logan can take some damage, sure, but his healing factor can be taxed.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Hmmm, I guess mine is too.
Your knowledge of Wolverine is skewed.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Who cares? Just his skills could wreck DD anyway. Add the abilities and it's just sad.
You place a little bit too much stock in his abilities.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0He will against anything DD can do to him.
Wolverine does not heal instantly.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0No. Wolverine healed half a busted skeleton and complete major organ damage in SECONDS!
it'd take a little while for his tendons to heal. But a little while isn't 1-5 seconds, you're talking about minutes at the minimum.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0According to recent issues of Wolverine when his entire body burned away his nerves were some of the first things to heal. Dont bring real world medicine into a Wolverine healing factor debate.
Let me say one thing, nerves are the last thing to heal, if they ever heal, biologically speaking. You can ask any doctor about that. And second, even if that does not apply to Wolverine, his healing is still not instant. Nerve damage doesn't need to be lasting, as long as it lasts half a minute, that's more than enough time.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Wolverine was not beat. He fell on a sword and the pain allowed him to break free of mind control that he had been fighting the entire time. Wolverine has punked DD pretty badly a couple of times.
He also beat Wolverine in Logan's own book while being ambushed by ninjas.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I remember Logan being stabbed in the throat with a sai and fighting 3 elite assassins while ignoring the blade in his neck and beating the tar out of them all. Which feat holds more weight? Millar's (who says Cap can beat Hulk) or Tieri's?(one of the best Wolverine writers in the past decade) Gorgon also has super everything, none of which DD has. Dont compare DD to Gorgon. Thats silly. Wolverine was also completely fine with that sword through his throat. He was even talking. He only needed the help of shield agents because he didn't have the leverage to pull the sword out of the beam it was stuck in from his fallen position. He got right back up and chased after Gorgon. If Wolvy can do that a throat strike will do NOTHING to him.
Logan has been stabbed in the throat, I remember when he was pinned down before his last fight with Gorgon. I remember him needing several SHIELD agents to pull it out, do you?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Punisher's hand2hand is pathetic compared to Wolverine's. And back in the day he actually used to break even with DD in H2H.
I sure can prove he uses them on Black Widow and Punisher.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Yes, while DD is tripping over his spilled entrails and Wolverine laughs at his "nerve strike."
Yeah, he'd do it while Wolvie was slashing also
"I take punches from Hulk you horned moron. What the heck will that do?"
Originally posted by Darth MartinWhich proves Millar knew dick about Wolverine since Logan had just boinked the Native, Cassie Lathdrop, and was dating Storm at the time.
Logan's jealous of Matt! 😖hifty:
Wolverine can take anything Matt brings to the table. Matt is dead or near dead after a single strike from Wolverine. Kevin Smith said it best. Adamantium claws beat billy clubs every time.
Originally posted by Muck101
Allright, I've had just about enough of this. Im TIRED of wolverine being depicted as unbeatable. Arguing this is pointless, also, as there's always going to be someone falling back on 'healing factor'. This is so ridiculous.
Then why not find some matchs that Wolverine can actually win. Daredevil is good, but he's done nothing that Wolverine hasn't already handled. Daredevil's fast, so is Logan. Daredevil can hit nerve strikes, so can Logan and he's been doing it before Matt was born. Realistically one really good hit can take out Matt and even with his radar sense he's not fast enough to do it forever or strong enough to put Logan down with his blows. You have a problem with that then take it up with the writers who write Logan this way
You people are leaving out much of the advantages DD's senses gives him. 1. sense of touch gives him balance, and agility. True, his agility isn't technically classified as superhuman, but it is on par with most superhumans. 2. The radar doesn't just mean DD will know when the claws are coming out. 3. Hearing. The man can hear muscles contracting. He'll know when wolvie is going to strike, and where. Also, Im wagering a dodge from one of logans slashes fallowed by a swift billyclub strike to the nuts will hurt Logan plenty. And I could be wrong, but aren't wolverines tendons not coated with adamantium? If DD can shatter a DIAMOND absorbing man, Im wagering he can pop a few bones out of place.
