Wolverine vs Daredevil

Started by Alfheim8 pages

lso

Originally posted by riceroost

If the guy can shrug off a punch to the face from a pissed Hulk do you honestly think a nerve strike from DD will do more damage? Seriously? Seriously? All Wolvy hating aside for once. Can you say that with a straight face?

Noooo riceroost it doesnt work like that im afraid. MA characters may not be able to lift a 100 tons but they can sometimes do the equivalent damage in MA terms. For example DD has taken out Mr Hyde with one shot so could the Hulk.

Also you have to look at the different showings I have seen some encounters where Wolverine has been badly messed up by the Hulk.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Honestly? Yes. And no, it isn't Wolverine-hating. I don't hate Wolverine. I just want him to stay consistent with his character.

You say the same thing about Cap.

P.S. If you wanna discuss it take to the Cap scans discussion thread.

Originally posted by masterbruce
MetalmanX, you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with Logan's nutsack.
Masterbruce, you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with being a complete and utter fuckwad. But hey, who's counting.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I don't recall their senses ever being compared in a crossover. What comic # was that?
It was in one of the Infinity crossovers. Infinity War I think. Issue # 2 or 3. It takes DD quite a while to discover what Wolverine instantly recognizes and then only by exclusively concentrating on the thing Wolverine was talking about. As in Reed's body. DD clearly alludes to the fact that Wolvy's sense of smell is much more highly developed than his own.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Regardless, IF Wolverine's sense of smell is better (although I still haven't seen much to say that's it's better), that's the only sense that he has better than DD's (taste is unknown and not important). DD's sensing of hearing, touch, and radar sense (Wolverine doesn't even have one to compare to) are superior.
You can't prove any of the following since Wolverine and DD have never sat down and compared powers except to my knowledge the one Infinity example. Touch is unimportant anyway. Senses in general are unimportant to this fight. Neither one is likely to sneak up on the other, obviously.

DD has Radar. Yay for him. Wolverine can see. Not only that he has SUPER SIGHT. He can see very far and with greater clarity than humans or animals. He can also see in the dark. Wolverine also has an impressive record of dodging things that travel at fantastic speed without looking at what is coming so obviously Wolverine possesses some sort of quick alert system similar in some fassion to DD's radar. It may not be as fully developed, but again Wolverine can SEE so there is no disadvantage for anyone.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Have you not seen the several times Daredevil has batted away bullets with his billy clubs? Wolverine does it, Daredevil does it. I see no Wolverine-advantage here.
Obviously I've seen them both do it. However DD has no way of explaining how he does it since his frail human speed should make that feat vastly impossible for him to accomplish, unlike Wolverine who is much faster than anything human. Common Sense says Wolverine does it better.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I'm sure falling off a helicarrier is a horrible, horrible pain. However, it was not just under Ennis' writing that a nut-shot has taken Wolverine down. Puck has done the same thing to Wolverine, and he went down. Just saying. And the argument is not pointless. They're complerely different kinds of pains, falling from an extreme height and a powerful shot to a highly sensitive area. 😐
Oh wow a nut shot hurt Wolverine 1 time legitimately under a decent writer. Unfortunately I happen to believe that being IMPALED hurts about a million times worse than a nutshot and Wolverine has shrugged that off, continued to fight, and pulled said impaling object out countless times without batting an eye. Falling off a helicarrier ensures Wolverine's insides are turned to jello (including his balls) I'm sure that hurts more than a low blow too. I dont get why you are fighting this. Wolverine's extensively documented god-like pain tolerance levels ensure that a chop to the throat, a cup check, or a billy club to the eye socket should not be slowing him down in 99 out of 100 cases. I know it and you know it, you just choose to cling to the few examples where Wolverine is showed as uncharacteristically vulnerable.

This entire argument is irritating. The entire flow of the argument is how much damage can Wolvy take? Can DD hurt him? When the correct question is Who can hurt who worse? Who can win faster? Who is more likely to win? Wolverine wins that argument hands down.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Masterbruce, you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with being a complete and utter fuckwad. But hey, who's counting.

How am I being a f&*kwad? I just made an observation. 🙁

Originally posted by riceroost
Can DD hurt him?

DD used his senses apparently to smash a diamond Absorbing man if he cann do that he can hiurt Wolverine, period.

Originally posted by Alfheim
DD used his senses apparently to smash a diamond Absorbing man if he cann do that he can hiurt Wolverine, period.

so DD can now smash diamonds because he has super senses? BULLSHEET

Originally posted by masterbruce
How am I being a f&*kwad? I just made an observation. 🙁
Well let's see, first there was the whole mind body soul vigilante crap, then you follow Metalmanx around the forum making asinine comments about him disliking Wolverine simply because he isn't posting in favour of him, when really no one cares. Just overall doucheness. 🙂

Oh and Wolverine wins.

Originally posted by masterbruce
so DD can now smash diamonds because he has super senses? BULLSHEET

Well thats what the super senses are for...thats why they are super....Is this how you're going to argue?

Well you know what is bullshit they fact that Wolverine can take more than one hit from The Hulk when Adamantuim doesnt absorb impact like Cap's shield does.

It wont destroy his skull but the impact should turn Wolverines brains to mush.

Re: lso

Originally posted by Alfheim
Noooo riceroost it doesnt work like that im afraid. MA characters may not be able to lift a 100 tons but they can sometimes do the equivalent damage in MA terms. For example DD has taken out Mr Hyde with one shot so could the Hulk.
Dumbest thing I've ever heard and everyone else here knows it. I repeat the best showing of a MA character using their plain skills against a high level brick was Wolverine trying a nerve pinch on Rogue. It did nothing. That is how it should be.

According to your logic Wolverine's MA skills alone give him the offensive potential to hang with the Hulk. Yet he also has unigue weaponry (adamantium claws) so using your flawed logic he should now be twice as deadly as the Hulk. Does that make sense to anyone else? It didn't to me either.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Also you have to look at the different showings I have seen some encounters where Wolverine has been badly messed up by the Hulk.
Yet he has always been able to take Hulk's punishment except for 1 occassion when he didn't have a healing factor.

Taking a Hulk punch involves muscles being pulped and ripped off of bones and brain matter turning into jelly. And Wolverine has recovered from that sort of damage instantly so that he could continue to fight. Are you honestly saying that a human delivering a nerve strike can match that kind of destructive potential? Cause if you are I am going to start lobying that DD can defeat the Hulk.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well thats what the super senses are for...thats why they are super....Is this how you're going to argue?
Yet Wolverine has this and much greater strength so he outclasses DD here.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well you know what is bullshit they fact that Wolverine can take more than one hit from The Hulk when Adamantuim doesnt absorb impact like Cap's shield does.
Because it's his healing factor fixing the damage not the damn skeleton.

And I've seen Cap KOed after "absorbing" a single punch from She-Hulk.

Originally posted by Alfheim
It wont destroy his skull but the impact should turn Wolverines brains to mush.
Again, it does, that's what the HF is for.

Re: Re: lso

Originally posted by riceroost
Dumbest thing I've ever heard and everyone else here knows it. I repeat the best showing of a MA character using their plain skills against a high level brick was Wolverine trying a nerve pinch on Rogue. It did nothing. That is how it should be.

Thank you for telling me that, that shows that Wolverine isnt that good.

Originally posted by riceroost

According to your logic Wolverine's MA skills alone give him the offensive potential to hang with the Hulk. Yet he also has unigue weaponry (adamantium claws) so using your flawed logic he should now be twice as deadly as the Hulk. Does that make sense to anyone else? It didn't to me either.
Yet he has always been able to take Hulk's punishment except for 1 occassion when he didn't have a healing factor.

Taking a Hulk punch involves muscles being pulped and ripped off of bones and brain matter turning into jelly. And Wolverine has recovered from that sort of damage instantly so that he could continue to fight. Are you honestly saying that a human delivering a nerve strike can match that kind of destructive potential? Cause if you are I am going to start lobying that DD can defeat the Hulk.

Ok so what you mean to tell me is that Wolverine cant hurt Rogue but just because he has adamtuim claws he should be able to hurt the hulk, when he does not have sufficient strength to make the adamntuim go into his body?

Originally posted by riceroost

Because it's his healing factor fixing the damage not the damn skeleton.

Oh so your telling me that if you're brain gets turned to jelly and its being healed that Wolverine should be running around like nothing happened??? Or would he be in alot of pain while he is recovering??

Originally posted by masterbruce
so DD can now smash diamonds because he has super senses? BULLSHEET

* stop being so one-sided... DD used a gun to smash Creel (in diamond form)... how? with great accuracy and exceptional use of radar sense, DD focused on the flaws and facets of the diamond body of Creel, while simultaneously fighting with him mano-y-mano... 😉

Re: Re: Re: lso

Originally posted by Alfheim
Thank you for telling me that, that shows that Wolverine isnt that good.
Duuuuuuur, no it shows that nerve based martial arts are USELESS when you are fighting people who are physically invulnerable. Which is how it should be. DD should break his hand trying to hit a high level brick's nerve clusters. They may be weak points, but they are still stronger than steel and therefor impossible for DD to injure.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok so what you mean to tell me is that Wolverine cant hurt Rogue but just because he has adamtuim claws he should be able to hurt the hulk, when he does not have sufficient strength to make the adamntuim go into his body?
No I mocked you for equating martial arts skills like a nerve strike with the ungodly destructive force of a Hulk level punch. I was attempting to illustrate how retarded your logic is. You are trying to say:

DD nerve strike = Hulk punch.

Which is stupid beyond belief.

So according to your "logic" Hulk's strength grants him a damage output of 10, but because DD knows pressure points he also has a damage output of 10. Wolverine knows pressure points as well so he also gets a damage output of 10, but because he has adamantium claws he gets an extra 10 damage points. In your world Wolverine has a damage output of 20, twice as much as the Hulk, who only draws even with DD (a god damned human).

And Wolverine has cut Hulk like 456 times, so I'm not sure what in the hell yer talking about.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Oh so your telling me that if you're brain gets turned to jelly and its being healed that Wolverine should be running around like nothing happened??? Or would he be in alot of pain while he is recovering??
Obviously he's in some amount of pain since he usually thinks, "Wow, that really hurt." when Hulk punches him. And obviously his healing factor is that fast since it's been helping him shrug off Hulk punches for like 30 years now.

I was gonna make a new thread but found this one. Is there any scans of DD and Wolverine fighting?

Re: Re: Re: Re: lso

Originally posted by riceroost
Duuuuuuur, no it shows that nerve based martial arts are USELESS when you are fighting people who are physically invulnerable. Which is how it should be. DD should break his hand trying to hit a high level brick's nerve clusters. They may be weak points, but they are still stronger than steel and therefor impossible for DD to injure.

Well if Wolverine was able to hurt Rogue with a nerve pinch we would never hear the end of it. The only reason why you think that its impossible for people like DD to do a nerve pinch on people like Rogue is because Wolverine cant do it.

Originally posted by riceroost

No I mocked you for equating martial arts skills like a nerve strike with the ungodly destructive force of a Hulk level punch. I was attempting to illustrate how retarded your logic is. You are trying to say:

DD nerve strike = Hulk punch.

Which is stupid beyond belief.

Well its like this DD knocked out Mr hyde with a nerve strike. Mr Hyde can now lift about 8O tons. So DDs nerve strength isnt far off from a class 100 punch. So you want to start using logic on me? So how the **** does Wolverine take full force blows to the head from suerphumans? Wolverine has an adamantuim skull, its not vibranuim. Vibranuim absorbs impact, Adamantuim doesnt, therefore when Wolverine gets hit in the head his brain should turn to puttey from the force and he should be unconscious. Even if he has a healing factor once his brain is destroyed he should be out for the count until his brain regenerates.

Originally posted by riceroost

So according to your "logic" Hulk's strength grants him a damage output of 10, but because DD knows pressure points he also has a damage output of 10. Wolverine knows pressure points as well so he also gets a damage output of 10, but because he has adamantium claws he gets an extra 10 damage points. In your world Wolverine has a damage output of 20, twice as much as the Hulk, who only draws even with DD (a god damned human).

Its a comic book. None of it makes sense! The fact of the matter is DD knocked out Mr Hyde who can lift 80 tons. If you dont think DD should be able to do that and if Wolverine can hurt Rogue with a nerve punch how on earth is he going to be able to hurt the hulk?

Originally posted by riceroost

And Wolverine has cut Hulk like 456 times, so I'm not sure what in the hell yer talking about.

I aint got a problem with that, your the one using logic now. So tell me if DD cant hurt Mr Hyde and Wolverine cant hurt Rogue with a nerve pinch how the hell does he hurt The Hulk? Does Adamnatuim give you superhuman strength?

Originally posted by riceroost

Obviously he's in some amount of pain since he usually thinks, "Wow, that really hurt." when Hulk punches him. And obviously his healing factor is that fast since it's been helping him shrug off Hulk punches for like 30 years now.

The only explanation for that is that he must have rolled with the punches. The fact of the matter is that Wolverines flesh does not have superhuman durability, if he gits hit in the head he should be out for the count until his brain regnerates.

Originally posted by YFZ 350
I was gonna make a new thread but found this one. Is there any scans of DD and Wolverine fighting?
Anybody have that scan of DD putting Logan down with a nerve strike?

Originally posted by YFZ 350
Anybody have that scan of DD putting Logan down with a nerve strike?
Anybody?