Originally posted by peejayd
* so you think DD can't land a nice nerve shot to Logan? 😕
Do you honestly think that Daredevil can land enough nerve shots to take Wolverine out of the fight before Wolverine can land a single claw swipe, which will certainly do the same to Matt?
Also, Ennis' writing IS complete ass.
Originally posted by Soljer
Do you honestly think that Daredevil can land enough nerve shots to take Wolverine out of the fight before Wolverine can land a single claw swipe, which will certainly do the same to Matt?Also, Ennis' writing IS complete ass.
Whats enough nerv shots? Daredevil can cause total paralysis with one move. Wouldnt that take Wolvie out of the fight? Can he do it before gettig a slash that will take him down? Maybe, maybe not.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Whats enough nerv shots? Daredevil can cause total paralysis with one move. Wouldnt that take Wolvie out of the fight? Can he do it before gettig a slash that will take him down? Maybe, maybe not.
So, if you don't mind, could I see a scan of Daredevil ever causing full body paralysis on a combatant who happened to be one of the world's best, who also happened to be a bit faster than Matt?
Besides the one Ennis showing, I've never seen how Logan's reacted to nerve shots. If anyone could fill me in, that'd be great. I'm not entirely sure how a healing factor would affect it. I mean, there has been tons of speculation on the topic, but I've never actually seen any proof for either side debating the case.
Originally posted by Soljer
So, if you don't mind, could I see a scan of Daredevil ever causing full body paralysis on a combatant who happened to be one of the world's best, who also happened to be a bit faster than Matt?Besides the one Ennis showing, I've never seen how Logan's reacted to nerve shots. If anyone could fill me in, that'd be great. I'm not entirely sure how a healing factor would affect it. I mean, there has been tons of speculation on the topic, but I've never actually seen any proof for either side debating the case.
Well Daredevil has never done that to a combatant on a high level of skill. Even so, once applied, if applied, whether the persons highly trained or not, it will have its effect. He did however do the move in front of Wolvie and Wolverine said...."Nice move. Is he dead?" Apparently not even knowing waht DD did. Would Wolvies superior speed(if it is superior) show in combat against each other? I doubt it considering it was Wolvie who commented on DD's speed. Thus i dont think speed or strength plays a factor here at all. Skill and dodging ability plays the biggest part here imo.
Originally posted by Soljer
I'm not entirely sure how a healing factor would affect it. I mean, there has been tons of speculation on the topic, but I've never actually seen any proof for either side debating the case.
As far as I know Wolverine would be knocked out but for a shorter period than anybody else. There was this non-canon comic were Dr Spock used a pressure point on Wolverine. Wolverine was out but recovered almost instantly.
Eventhough it was non-canon it seems to be consistent in what would happen to Wolverine. Obvoulsy somebody better than Dr Spock could keep Wolverine knocked out for longer.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Which is exactly my point. Wolverine can get knocked out. And it doesn't matter as to how long he's knocked out. If he's KOed, even fore a moment, then he's KOed.
Ive never seen DD use pressure points on any really good MA characters.....well lets put it this way he doesnt do it easily. The chances are Wolverine can avoid some of DD's moves and may have some resistance to some of the pressure points. While DD doesnt have a healing factor...
DD has more to lose.
Somebody posted a fight between DD and KP on the NW vs KP thread. DD only used pressure points when it looked like he was going to die. I think Wolverine would do better than KP (Kingpin).
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Which is exactly my point. Wolverine can get knocked out. And it doesn't matter as to how long he's knocked out. If he's KOed, even fore a moment, then he's KOed.
Agreed, certainly.
A one second KO is still a one second KO.
However, how are we defining knock out, here? Shouldn't it be the definition of knock out? A loss of consciousness? I mean, if Wolverine loses the use of his left hand for a few moments the way Daredevil's done to the Punisher, it doesn't mean he won't regain the use of it fairly quickly, right?
I don't really consider incapacitation a victory. Especially temporary incapacitation.
Though, Daredevil COULD use incapacitation as a method to victory, if he incapacitated Wolverine, did as much damage as possible and then re-incapacitated Wolverine before the first one 'wore off.'
Still think it's more likely that Wolverine could score a single claw swipe than it is that Daredevil will land the right type or combination of pressure points on Wolverine.
And, yes, I'll admit, speed and strength don't play much of a factor. An advantage is an advantage, but the difference isn't large enough in the speed arena to be the principle topic of discussion. And Wolverine's strength hardly matters as he's using a bladed weapon.
Though, it is worth noting that a full-body-incapacitation would likely require Daredevil to get well within striking distance of Logan, whereas Logan has the reach to slash Matt without giving Matt a clear opening.
Also, though Wolverine isn't SIGNIFICANTLY faster or SIGNIFICANTLY more skilled than Matt, I'm almost certain that he was significantly both when compared to the guy that Matt pulled off full-body paralysis on. 😬.
This isn't any curbstomp; Matt has the capability to win. Just not a clear majority, in my opinion.
Originally posted by MetalmanxYet the only time they have ever been compared Wolverine's sense of smell was found to be more acute, so that statment is wrong.
1) DD's senses are far superior to Wolverine's. As much as you want them to be, Wolvie's just aren't in the same league.
Originally posted by MetalmanxDD has all the agility of a world class gymnast. Wolverine has beyond human agility thanks to his healing factor. DD's reflexes aren't better. No one can prove they are. Common sense says they can't be. Wolverine has flicked away bullets with his claws and optic blasts with a sword and dodged light speed projectiles without looking so DD clearly has nothing on him in the reflexes department.
2) DD is more agile. And possibly quicker/better reflexes OR as good as Wolverine. The guy bats away bullets with his billy clubs like it's his job.
Originally posted by MetalmanxI'm pretty sure falling off the helicarrier would be about a billion times more painful than a low blow so your argument is pointless. Regardless Wolverine has continued to fight after ball shots from Sabretooth (Wolverine # 90) who is at least 10 times stronger than DD so again I think Larry Hama's example holds a BIT more weight than Garth Ennis foolishness. I;m also sure that being impaled through the trunk of the body is more painful and we know Wolverine fights through that easily. Ball shot will not work.
3) A shot to the nuts has taken Wolverine out AT LEAST two times now in canon comics. I think it's safe to say that the severe pain a shot to the groin produces could put him down for a bit.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Which is exactly my point. Wolverine can get knocked out. And it doesn't matter as to how long he's knocked out. If he's KOed, even fore a moment, then he's KOed.
Sure.
The Odds of DD doing it are like a million to one.
The odds of DD getting a nerve strike before Logan gives him a nerve strike or an adamantium fist to the face, or a decap swipe aren't good either.
The odds of that nerve strike having any relevant effect are about a million to one.
If the guy can shrug off a punch to the face from a pissed Hulk do you honestly think a nerve strike from DD will do more damage? Seriously? Seriously? All Wolvy hating aside for once. Can you say that with a straight face?
Originally posted by riceroost
Yet the only time they have ever been compared Wolverine's sense of smell was found to be more acute, so that statment is wrong.DD has all the agility of a world class gymnast. Wolverine has beyond human agility thanks to his healing factor. DD's reflexes aren't better. No one can prove they are. Common sense says they can't be. Wolverine has flicked away bullets with his claws and optic blasts with a sword and dodged light speed projectiles without looking so DD clearly has nothing on him in the reflexes department.
I'm pretty sure falling off the helicarrier would be about a billion times more painful than a low blow so your argument is pointless. Regardless Wolverine has continued to fight after ball shots from Sabretooth (Wolverine # 90) who is at least 10 times stronger than DD so again I think Larry Hama's example holds a BIT more weight than Garth Ennis foolishness. I;m also sure that being impaled through the trunk of the body is more painful and we know Wolverine fights through that easily. Ball shot will not work.
I don't recall their senses ever being compared in a crossover. What comic # was that?
Regardless, IF Wolverine's sense of smell is better (although I still haven't seen much to say that's it's better), that's the only sense that he has better than DD's (taste is unknown and not important). DD's sensing of hearing, touch, and radar sense (Wolverine doesn't even have one to compare to) are superior.
Have you not seen the several times Daredevil has batted away bullets with his billy clubs? Wolverine does it, Daredevil does it. I see no Wolverine-advantage here.
I'm sure falling off a helicarrier is a horrible, horrible pain. However, it was not just under Ennis' writing that a nut-shot has taken Wolverine down. Puck has done the same thing to Wolverine, and he went down. Just saying. And the argument is not pointless. They're complerely different kinds of pains, falling from an extreme height and a powerful shot to a highly sensitive area. 😐
Originally posted by riceroost
Can Logan be KOed?Sure.
The Odds of DD doing it are like a million to one.
The odds of DD getting a nerve strike before Logan gives him a nerve strike or an adamantium fist to the face, or a decap swipe aren't good either.
The odds of that nerve strike having any relevant effect are about a million to one.
If the guy can shrug off a punch to the face from a pissed Hulk do you honestly think a nerve strike from DD will do more damage? Seriously? Seriously? All Wolvy hating aside for once. Can you say that with a straight face?
Honestly? Yes. And no, it isn't Wolverine-hating. I don't hate Wolverine. I just want him to stay consistent with his character. If they upgrade him, then fine. Just don't have him lose to someone WAY underneath him ever again after that. If they don't upgrade him, then I'd like for him to stop beating people WAY above him. Know what I mean?
Like I said in my previous post, they are two different kinds of pains being delivered--Hulk's punches and Daredevil's nerve strikes. It's like comparing apples and oranges.