Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well I don't know, Jugz ko'ed Puck hitting him from behind and in the back of the head. However, author even admiting he was going by classic Puck.Most likely yes, he even jumped more than the height of the CN tower to the ground and was fine.
Jumping from a great height and having a very large, very heavy object crash down on top of you are two completely different things, my friend.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
No, I don't underestimate any memeber of Alpha Flight.I just know Spider-Man's abilities. There's nothing stopping him from swatting Puck away constantly.
And even if it takes Puck hours to get back to the battlefield, Spidey can literally just do it again.
If anything, this match is stalemate, given their abilities.
I have more Spider-Man comics than I do Alpha Flight.
Actually yes there is, honestly he swatted away an object that doesn't move. Now has he done that with someone who is basically his equal? hell no.
Unlikely, how friggin far do you think Spider-Man can throw him. Puck's hand to hand dwarf Spider-Man
There isn't anything Spider-Man can do to ko him.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Jumping from a great height and having a very large, very heavy object crash down on top of you are two completely different things, my friend.
Not really seeing as both would leave a mortal person flatter than a pizza. Unless you think a normal person could survive a fall larger than the CN Tower?
Originally posted by King_Mungi
I have more Spider-Man comics than I do Alpha Flight.Actually yes there is, honestly he swatted away an object that doesn't move. Now has he done that with someone who is basically his equal? hell no.
Unlikely, how friggin far do you think Spider-Man can throw him. Puck's hand to hand dwarf Spider-Man
There isn't anything Spider-Man can do to ko him.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7687263
Did you use the word "dwarf" purposely? 😆
It's also kind of hard to be your equal in hand to hand when your opponent's arm is almost as long as your whole body. I mean, the reach factor should play a massive role here.
Puck swings for him, Spidey dodges, grabs Puck's arm/leg, and chucks him as far as he can out of the arena. I honestly think Spidey can chuck a 3'6", 225 lbs dwarf a good mile or two. Seriously. Given his strength, he's more than capable of doing this.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Not really seeing as both would leave a mortal person flatter than a pizza. Unless you think a normal person could survive a fall larger than the CN Tower?
For a person with superhuman agility and durability and such, a fall from a great height is not usually that big a deal, since said person would most likely land on his/her feet.
To crash an object down on someone's head, however, is a completely different impact. 😬
Originally posted by Metalmanx
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7687263Did you use the word "dwarf" purposely? 😆
It's also kind of hard to be your equal in hand to hand when your opponent's arm is almost as long as your whole body. I mean, the reach factor should play a massive role here.
Puck swings for him, Spidey dodges, grabs Puck's arm/leg, and chucks him as far as he can out of the arena. I honestly think Spidey can chuck a 3'6", 225 lbs dwarf a good mile or two. Seriously. Given his strength, he's more than capable of doing this.
and?...Spider-Man used speed which Puck's equal and webbing her can't use here. Point void
Your not to familar with Puck are you? guy is a beast when it comes to hand to hand, even classic Puck was getting the advantage against the Master who ko'ed Namor with one hit
Wow, no. Once again your underestimating him. You making it seem Spider-Man is vastly faster, when he's not. Then your ignoring the fact, Puck has been at this game beating people even vastly stronger than him even before Parker was born. Such as he has beaten Brass Bishop several times, a being who beat Spider-Man. People have tried to throw Puck in the past, and you know what he did? grabbed on to them and knocked them out
Originally posted by Metalmanx
For a person with superhuman agility and durability and such, a fall from a great height is not usually that big a deal, since said person would most likely land on his/her feet.To crash an object down on someone's head, however, is a completely different impact. 😬
What? US Agent didn't even fall half that height and he nearly died and he has superhuman durability. As stated Puck's nearly indestructable and invulnerable to harm. Puck did land on his feet, and the CN tower is one of the tallest building in the world and he fell heights larger than that. Jumped from this..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AFS-22.jpg
Not when your body is compressed with rubber, and then there is the fact that Spider-Man could he even hit him with it?.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
and?...Spider-Man used speed which Puck's equal and webbing her can't use here. Point voidYour not to familar with Puck are you? guy is a beast when it comes to hand to hand, even classic Puck was getting the advantage against the Master who ko'ed Namor with one hit
Wow, no. Once again your underestimating him. You making it seem Spider-Man is vastly faster, when he's not. Then your ignoring the fact, Puck has been at this game beating people even vastly stronger than him even before Parker was born. Such as he has beaten Brass Bishop several times, a being who beat Spider-Man. People have tried to throw Puck in the past, and you know what he did? grabbed on to them and knocked them out
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5436347
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5436356
It's not Puck, obviously. But the same method still applies. Peter doesn't even HAVE to grab a leg or arm. He can just place his hands anywhere on Puck and then chuck him. Webbing isn't not necessary.
And once again, I'm not underestimating Puck. Spidey and Puck may be on the same level when it comes to speed and reflexes, but Puck doesn't have a very important Spidey element: the spider-sense. Even with the same reaction speed, when your opponent knows to react to something before it even happens, he's got the advantage.
Spidey sees a punch/kick coming his way (and whatever other move follows that). He dodges it. Puts his hand on Puck's back. Tosses him a couple miles away.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5436347
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5436356It's not Puck, obviously. But the same method still applies. Peter doesn't even HAVE to grab a leg or arm. He can just place his hands anywhere on Puck and then chuck him. Webbing isn't not necessary.
And once again, I'm not underestimating Puck. Spidey and Puck may be on the same level when it comes to speed and reflexes, but Puck doesn't have a very important Spidey element: the spider-sense. Even with the same reaction speed, when your opponent knows to react to something before it even happens, he's got the advantage.
Spidey sees a punch/kick coming his way (and whatever other move follows that). He dodges it. Puts his hand on Puck's back. Tosses him a couple miles away.
Once again, Puck's reflexes are even fatser than the Hulk. Hell did you see what classic Puck did to Hulk? easily avoided all his attacks and that was Savage Hulk not professor. Point void.
Actually you are, basically everything you said Puck has done. Except as stated Puck's reflexes are on the same level of Spider-Man and Puck's experience vastly outweigh Parker. Once again Brass Bishop has a sixth sense just like Spider-Man, he even beat Parker and Puck has beaten him several times.
Once again you basically ignoring Puck's abilities.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Once again, Puck's reflexes are even fatser than the Hulk. Hell did you see what classic Puck did to Hulk? easily avoided all his attacks and that was Savage Hulk not professor. Point void.Actually you are, basically everything you said Puck has done. Except as stated Puck's reflexes are on the same level of Spider-Man and Puck's experience vastly outweigh Parker. Once again Brass Bishop has a sixth sense just like Spider-Man, he even beat Parker and Puck has beaten him several times.
Once again you basically ignoring Puck's abilities.
I literally can't ignore Puck's abilities. Not with you reminding me of them every three seconds.
Was Puck fighting and such for all of that 100 years of experience? It's not like Spidey's experience is OMG-ULTRA inferior to Puck's anyway. He's been doing this for 40+ years now. Experience is not always the key to victory either. Batman is more experienced than Spidey, yet would still get destroyed. 😐
I think it's painfully obvious that Brass Bishop's sixth sense is vastly inferior to the spider-sense then.
Think of it like this:
Two cars are travelling at the same top speed in a race. One driver, however, has precognitive knowledge of where the all the turns will be be, any debris or obstacles on the road (well before they get there), or any other possible dangers/obstructions. Do you really believe said driver DOES NOT win the race? 😬
That's basically how it is with Puck and Spidey. Peter just has the advantage of knowing what Puck is going to do before he does it.
Stalemate.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I literally can't ignore Puck's abilities. Not with you reminding me of them every three seconds.Was Puck fighting and such for all of that 100 years of experience? It's not like Spidey's experience is OMG-ULTRA inferior to Puck's anyway. He's been doing this for 40+ years now. Experience is not always the key to victory either. Batman is more experienced than Spidey, yet would still get destroyed. 😐
I think it's painfully obvious that Brass Bishop's sixth sense is vastly inferior to the spider-sense then.
Think of it like this:
Two cars are travelling at the same top speed in a race. One driver, however, has precognitive knowledge of where the all the turns will be be, any debris or obstacles on the road (well before they get there), or any other possible dangers/obstructions. Do you really believe said driver DOES NOT win the race? 😬
That's basically how it is with Puck and Spidey. Peter just has the advantage of knowing what Puck is going to do before he does it.
Stalemate.
but telling you and listening is something different
Actually yes, as said he has been a solider of fourtune all his life and then continued to fight with the Outcasts after possessing Razar and then joining ALpha Flight. He fought with Black Widow in the Tongun Gulk, Domini loves Puck and Wolverine remembers battling him in a war years ago. It is with Puck, he has been doing amazing things.
that a fact? seing as he got the drop on Spider-Man and smashed him into a wall. Hardly inferior
Once again no, as stated Puck has the same level of reflexes. There is no way around it. He has beaten people with sixth sense, who got the drop on Spider-Man. Point void.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Was Puck fighting and such for all of that 100 years of experience? It's not like Spidey's experience is OMG-ULTRA inferior to Puck's anyway. He's been doing this for 40+ years now. Experience is not always the key to victory either. Batman is more experienced than Spidey, yet would still get destroyed. 😐
Spider-man has at max 15 years of combat experience...
Metalman, I'm usually cool with you, but come on. You are either just all over Spidey, or hate Puck.
Seriously. These two characters are approximately equal in speed, strength, reflexes, agility, and etc.
However...they each have advantages over the other:
Pete: Spider Sense
Puck: Complete invulnerability to Spiderman's attacks and VASTLY superior fighting skill.
Fact is, Spidey's spider sense is NOT infallible. And while MAYBE a trained human martial artist couldn't outfight it (he could), a trained martial artist that can move as fast as Spidey, SURE as hell can.
There is no way this is a stalemate. Spiderman CAN'T DAMAGE Puck.
You might as well have Pete trying to attack a chunk of adamantium. Whether you believe Spiderman's sixth sense will save him a majority of the time or not, fact is, those class 10 punches will add up, while Puck won't feel a thing.
There is NO WAY this is a stalemate.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
15 years in the comics, yes. I know that. I was clearly referring to his 40+ years of being a comic character and having 40+ years of fighting experience.
Doesn't quite work that way, as Peter is probally in his late twentys or early thirties, which doesn't equal to almost a century of constantly fighting in any major war such as the Spanish Civil War, Tonkin Gulf in 1967, Tower of Babel with Modred, Maracaibo, all the world wars..etc. Then there is his counttless experience with the mystical world and superhumans.
Originally posted by Soljer
Metalman, I'm usually cool with you, but come on. You are either just all over Spidey, or hate Puck.Seriously. These two characters are approximately equal in speed, strength, reflexes, agility, and etc.
However...they each have advantages over the other:
Pete: Spider Sense
Puck: Complete invulnerability to Spiderman's attacks and VASTLY superior fighting skill.
Fact is, Spidey's spider sense is NOT infallible. And while MAYBE a trained human martial artist couldn't outfight it (he could), a trained martial artist that can move as fast as Spidey, SURE as hell can.
There is no way this is a stalemate. Spiderman CAN'T DAMAGE Puck.
You might as well have Pete trying to attack a chunk of adamantium. Whether you believe Spiderman's sixth sense will save him a majority of the time or not, fact is, those class 10 punches will add up, while Puck won't feel a thing.
There is NO WAY this is a stalemate.
Dammnit. I really wish people would stop thinking I hate Puck (same way people think I hate Wolverine) and don't understand his abilities. I do understand what he can do. And I do like Puck. Quite a bit actually.
Nor am I "all over Spidey". I've said time and time again that he loses against superior opponents.
The fact is, Spidey dodges things that are faster than Puck all the time. Doc Ock comes to mind. He dodges all four of those super-fast tentacles 95% of the time. Tentacles with AI that are faster than Puck. Or the Lizard, an enemy who is also faster than Spider-Man. Or Scorpion. Or Classic Quicksilver. It's reasons like this that make me believe Peter can dodge Puck. The Spider-sense, in my opinion, is almost completely effective, working in Spidey's favor about 95% of the time. For someone who's not faster than him, a precognitive ability would easily give Peter the edge he needs to avoid Puck as long as he wants.
And, of course, there's the route that I don't like taking too often--Invisibility. How's Puck going to hit him? Exactly, he's not going to. That's an automatic stalemate right there.
