Originally posted by King_Mungi
because it's a fight to win, not a fight to stalemate. Yes he can basically be dead, even fooled the Master's sensors
So, because this is a fight to win...Spidey has to fall for tricks?
Using that same logic, can't Peter trick Puck using his invisibility?
Edit: Peter will know it's a trick via the spider-sense.
I know. I'm getting tired of saying it as much as you're getting tired of hearing it. But it's true.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
So, because this is a fight to win...Spidey has to fall for tricks?Using that same logic, can't Peter trick Puck using his invisibility?
No, if Spider-Man hits him he can play possum a feat many have done before. So don't act like I'm making this up
That's why I said he does the trick, if he can't find him he plays possum.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Edit: Peter will know it's a trick via the spider-sense.I know. I'm getting tired of saying it as much as you're getting tired of hearing it. But it's true.
Hardly, majority of the time the spider-sense warns him of danger not specifically what the danger is.
Yet, Puck as stated has the same reflexes, so moot anyways.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
No, if Spider-Man hits him he can play possum a feat many have done before. So don't act like I'm making this upThat's why I said he does the trick, if he can't find him he plays possum.
I never said you were. I saw the scans. I believe you.
However, as my edit above stated, the spider-sense will warn Peter that it is, in fact, a trick and that Puck isn't dead.
And that's why I said stalemate. Puck can't find him, he plays possum. Peter leaves him lying there. 😐
Very boring match. 🙁
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Hardly, majority of the time the spider-sense warns him of danger not specifically what the danger is.Yet, Puck as stated has the same reflexes, so moot anyways.
Why are reflexes even relevant in this situation? Besides his reflexes are equivalent sans spider-sense. They can have the same reflexes (like the drivers of the afforementioned-cars), but if one knows what's coming up ahead, he has the edge, equal reflexes or not.
And actually, the SS pretty much tells Peter what kind of attack, where the attack will potentially land, and when it will potentially land. It tells him to move certain ways to avoid certain attacks. Not just a generic "Watch out!" pertaining to everything. It molds to whatever attack comes his way. It tells him to jump up, how high and type of jump (feet together, splits, etc.), and when to jump when someone attacks from behind (see attachment).
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Why are reflexes even relevant in this situation? Besides his reflexes are equivalent sans spider-sense. They can have the same reflexes (like the drivers of the afforementioned-cars), but if one knows what's coming up ahead, he has the edge, equal reflexes or not.And actually, the SS pretty much tells Peter what kind of attack, where the attack will potentially land, and when it will potentially land. It tells him to move certain ways to avoid certain attacks. Not just a generic "Watch out!" pertaining to everything. It molds to whatever attack comes his way. It tells him to jump up, how high and type of jump (feet together, splits, etc.), and when to jump when someone attacks from behind (see attachment).
because as you mentioned even with his SS he has to react, well Puck can react just as fast, thus moot. Once again his SS isn't that sopisticated that has a form of precog into the future it warns him of an immediate attack and then he reacts. Your making the SS out to be something that it's not.
No, as I said I have more Spider-Man comics I do Alpha Flight. As I said, majority of the time the SS warns of danger not specifically what it is. There even scans on the board that Peter personally explains that.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I don't understand your logic, KM. So Puck is allowed to lie there as long as he wants, but Peter can't? 😕
what? no I meant one on one fighting not playing possum. SPider-Man's attacks arn't going to do much, so sooner or later Puck will catch him possum or not.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
So when Spidey realizes he can't beat Puck, he just goes invisible. Why would Spidey want to continue fighting if he realizes that he can't damage Puck and has no way to win? Puck plays possum. They both stay there for the rest of their lives.Again, very boring stalemate. 😐
Why would he stop fighting? Has Spider-Man ever just stopping fighting and decided "hmmm..to tough, yeah I'm going to hide" no, he even still fought Morlin. Once again their fighting to win, not to a stalemate.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Why would he stop fighting? Has Spider-Man ever just stopping fighting and decided "hmmm..to tough, yeah I'm going to hide" no, he even still fought Morlin. Once again their fighting to win, not to a stalemate.
It's not like he would stop after 10 minutes of fighting. Or even a couple of hours. But really, what's he going to do? He keeps continuously giving it his all with no results. Spider-Man is all about fighting till the end, but really, what is there to fight anymore? Spidey's an extremely intelligent guy. I'm sure he'll realize he's causing Puck no harm at all. And then it's just a simple transition from "I'm going to pound you!" to "Well, I guess that won't work, looks like I'll just have to avoid him then". And since they're fighting in a featureless environment, there's nothing for Spidey's superior resourcefulness to utilize to defeat Puck.
And why is all of a sudden "they're fighting to the win", when there have been PLENTY of KMC threads that result in stalemates when I'm sure they were originally meant to "fight to win". If these two both fight to the best of their ability and without CIS, then it's a stalemate. And you know it. You just don't want to believe it, you want Puck to win. I like Puck, but if they're both fighting to the very best of their abilities without CIS, then it's a stalemate, pure and simple.
