To Surreal44 - Terry on wordplay

He's not so much a racist as he is narrow minded and judgemental. He lumps one group of people together into the category of pirates when in all actuality, every pirate is different. The writers have said that the series is about what makes a pirate and more importantly, what is a pirate. Jack may have a pirate brand, but he's not a true pirate.

His words against pirates stem from ignorance more than pure hatred. How is he supposed to know that there are degrees of piracy when his limited experience involves the attack on his ship when he was a boy?

I would say that if Will despises Jack in AWE, it's not so much because he is a pirate, but because Jack potentially stole the thing that he wanted most in the world.

I personally do not believe Will wants Elizabeth most in the world, I believe what he wats most in thie world is to find a way to free his fathers soul

Will is one demensional, he see's only what he wants to see, so in his eyes every pirate is bad, there should be no such thing as a Pirate that is a good man
and there is Its Jack

I'm gonna be honest with you. I've given up all hope on a J/E ending now.

so forgive me for not posting new theories and such incase you notice a lack of them.

Still gonna watch 3 though...

I actually have to disagree in that I don't believe Will is so one dimmensional any more. He may have been in the first movie, even that is debatable, but I think in DMC, we're finally seeing shades of all aspects of his personality develop.

And you're right, it's possible that Elizabeth is no longer what he wants most in the world, but I think he's a little like Elizabeth in DMC in that he's torn between two different things. He's not given up on her just yet I would wager....or has he?

Why have you given up hope. I don't believe it, that a person like you has given up everything you said ,post or written about this characters so I'm not going to accept it. You have to trust in what you believe because 100% of the time is the truth. I just cant understand why? do you know something you don't want to tell us?

Originally posted by savvysparrow
I actually have to disagree in that I don't believe Will is so one dimmensional any more. He may have been in the first movie, even that is debatable, but I think in DMC, we're finally seeing shades of all aspects of his personality develop.

And you're right, it's possible that Elizabeth is no longer what he wants most in the world, but I think he's a little like Elizabeth in DMC in that he's torn between two different things. He's not given up on her just yet I would wager....or has he?

after reading this I am going to agree, Will's Character does develop in DMC. and true in the first movie IMO he was one demensional. in DMC we see more anger, passion towards his father, a slighlty different side than what we say in COTBP

I'm just not feeling it anymore. I wish i never looked so deeply into it, grew so much in love with the idea.

No I dont know anything apart from certain "spoilers" about..
the fact he's shooting the ending and its very W/E focused cuz Johnny's not there.

Originally posted by LovelyOne
I'm gonna be honest with you. I've given up all hope on a J/E ending now.

so forgive me for not posting new theories and such incase you notice a lack of them.

Still gonna watch 3 though...

stop that, dont give up hope!! LovleyOne just have fun with it, lets not be so serious

You can give up, and go sulk in a corner with only the monkey or rum for company, but the rest of us will continue to do what we've been doing, which is to express cautious opptomism and maintain hope.

All I want to say is this: SNAP OUT OF IT! (Name that movie 🙂 )

You can be morose and distraught all you want, but now that you've said your peace that you don't think there will be a J/E ending, leave it at that. The rest of us want to live in the blissful ignorance that is denial until AWE comes out.

(This isn't an attack lovelyone, merely a shameless attempt to get the discussion back to what we were discussing which was....)

That William Turner is a bigot and secretly enjoys wearing pantyhose....

ok sure. I'm not stopping you.I'm just quitting whilst I'm ahead, softening the blow, just stating that I'm not gonna be makin thories etc anymore incase people wonder why I'm lacking a bit on the board wiith my silly theories 😂

sounds like an attack...ish 😂

savvysparrow that William in tights comment was hillarious!!

Well, it is an attack, but not directed at you. Mainly I'm expressing my disappointment in the fandom as a whole for being so inconstant. I've never seen a bigger group of quitters in my life and it frustrates me that people are blindly accept without questioning that it will only be a W/E ending when in fact, there is a lot of evidence to support the contrary. I'm not saying that I believe there will be J/E ending with a choir humming in the background, though that'd be ideal. All I'm saying is that there is so much potential beyond that.

There, that's all I'll say on the subject. Now I'll go back to the regularly scheduled program which is in fact, William Turner.

I'm just saying this now incase people start getting all suspicious about why I'm not posting much.

for the record. I dont know anything as a certainty..I'm just losing faith..I cant help it

trust me I'm not one to usually give up like this..but with this I'm gonna.

Its not that I dont like the idea of J/E..its just I dont want to fall in love with the idea anymore..tyring to just look at PotC as something other than a love story.

^^ I promise you that your attitude will change.

OK..Hope so..

Lovely there are a million possibilities, are you 100% sure that they were filming the ending?
There was a reason why you looked so deeply at the movie in the 1st place, you noticed all the hints, symbolisms and all that crab. It was in front of our faces, you believed in your theories and we all believed as well. Thats the reason we all came in to this forum the 1st place. Why? because we all believe the same. We are not over analyzing it or anything like that, because the writers gave us the clues, plain and simple. We are not making things up. The writers, producers knew what they were doing and they did it for a reason. So please stop thinking like that. And when the movie comes out instead of making fun of the E/W shipies I'm going to make fun of you. I'm going to say haaaa I told you so. 😄
Ok let me stop writing here, before I get in trouble. See you girls later.
hugs and kisses.

Originally posted by shannstar79
after reading this I am going to agree, Will's Character does develop in DMC. and true in the first movie IMO he was one demensional. in DMC we see more anger, passion towards his father, a slighlty different side than what we say in COTBP

Yes, and I think those shades were there in CotBP, but when you have Jack Sparrow, who has quite a bit of depth to him, Will gets lost in the wood work. He has the same passion for a cause in CotBP when he
wanted to rescue Elizabeth. Even his quick to judgement nature can be seen there. (Norrington calls him rash, and I'd say that this will come into play in the next movie.

Also, his willingness to sacrifice his morals to achieve what he wants is an interesting trait that started in CotBP and becomes a huge factor in the script for AWE. He's a good man, but what use is there of his being a good man if he, like Norrington, is so easily persuaded to drop his goodness to the wayside?

And while we're not on the topic, here is a question that's been plaguing my brain for a while.

This is a hypothetical scenario. Each character has a life that after this struggle between ETTC and the pirate world is over, they can return to arguably.

Will has the potential either to start a new life with Elizabeth, or with his father, Elizabeth has the opportunity, arguably, to live with Will. Jack however, doesn't have much of a life to return to. It's been insinuated that the age of piracy is ending and that he'll have to find his place in the new world.

Well, what exactly can he do? He can't be a pirate any more. I don't see him becoming a privateer for England. Also, the writers have implied that Jack is not safe on land, so that implies that he won't come back to Port Royale to take up knitting. So, where does that leave him? He can't die again....

dont mean to be bringing others down with me. I'm just explaining why I wont be posting much J/E stuff anymore 🙂

You know, there will come times when faith is actually the one testing us. There will come situations like the one we're having now that could have us change our attitude and faith itself testing us. Even if its all turn out to be "bad" I rather not loose faith. We do make mistakes, we accept it and learn from them. But having faith in something isn't a mistake.

I don't have evidence, I don't have the script nor intereviews-nothing. Though I wish to ease some stress around here, but all I can do is what I can do best: Giving hope. And Same for all of us, we do what we do best: We put our heads together, think of many facts, look for patters, and cook up kick ass theories.

Look Lovely and anybody else who's feeling the same, I cant change you or make you change, all I can try to do is help you to see in a different light. Like I said I have no evidence, but I'm sure its not a Will/Liz ending nor an ending that will disappoint. I'm not gonna let this forum be wasted because of lack of hope. All I can say please don't loose our faith. I cant change you guys, but all I can do is beg you guys to keep your heads held high.