Originally posted by The Planet
Doesn't mean that I would describe it as killing thousands of people, LOL!Yes it would be impressive to them, but The One stated clearly that the lightning destroyed an entire army of them, he would have no need to exaggerate or lie.
Now you're making things up. He didn't say it killed thousands.
Provide the exact quote please.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Now you're making things up. He didn't say it killed thousands.Provide the exact quote please.
I didn't say that, you dumbass. All I was saying was that even though I'd be shocked and impressed like hell, I would still have no reason to lie or overexaggerate.
And please, you know that I can't do that, KotOR's a game, I'm not just going to replay the whole game so I can provide you a quote, if you can link me to a game script, I'd be happy to. Or just ask Zephiel, ACStyles or Darth Sexy, I'm sure they could provide it.
Yes, and she pwned you. I beat her.
Yes, right when I joined here and was a noob, yea she pwned me. Your point, are you saying you're better than Advent? FYI, I don't know how you beat Advent, but just beating somebody once doesnt mean you're automatically. better.
I very much doubt that.
Umm...Advent said that herself.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Okay then, re-sum it up with exact examples of his power. Not paraphrased quotes from biased sources. Something where it shows or describes a force attack.Not gameplay. Use quotes; exact, unbiased, quotes.
You think that canonical sources like Darth Bane: Path Of Destruction and Star Wars: New Essential Chronology are biased towards Revan then you are wasting your time! dude!
You can't just go around and argue against canonical stuff. It is not going to help your cause.
But I will make things more easy for you.
- From Revan's EU profile: "Aboard the Star Forge, Revan almost single-handedly defeated an entire army of Sith and Dark Jedi, a testament to his power in the Force and mastery of lightsaber combat."
Link: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/read_article.php?topic_id=24266711&union_id=2511&print=1
More information: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/read_article.php?topic_id=24260119&union_id=2511
Comments: Revan's immense mastery of the force was put to test on Star Forge and he proved it by defeating all kinds of odds there. He encountered waves after waves of powerful Battle Droids, Dark Jedi and Elite Sith Troopers and he defeated them all. Malak himself acknowledged this fact and he believed that no matter what he throws at Revan, will not stop him and most it would do will just slow him down. Malak's commander was also aware of this.
- From Revan's EU profile: "Finally, Revan again confronted his old friend and apprentice, Malak, in an epic lightsaber duel. During their duel, Malak continually sucked the life force from Jedi held in stasis to replenish his energies. This, however, was not enough to defeat Revan, as he forcefully released the captive Jedi, allowing them to become one with the Force. At last, Malak was cut down."
Comments: It is evident from this description that Malak - despite of all the impressive skills and powers he knew, failed against Revan. Revan was so powerful that he "force-fully" converted some of the captured Jedi to become with the force.
- From starwars.com/blogs: "Eventually, Revan tracked Malak to the Star Forge and in a titanic duel Malak was killed.
Comments: The duel between Revan and Malak was so immense that is was referred to be of "titanic" proportions in an official source and Revan won. Note that Malak was also a master swordsman and he has defeated the best known Jedi warrior of KOTOR period "Jedi Master Kavar" and proved his elite Light Saber skills.
- The personal words of Revan's mentor kreia: "Revan was Power. Looking in to his eyes was like looking in to the heart of the force, still you could see the souls of many Jedi that he would slay".
Note: Kriea says this to Exile in KOTOR II when describing Revan.
- From Darth Bane: Path of Destruction: QUOTE from Revan to Bane: [i]"My time here is ended. Take what I have taught you and use it well."
Additional Spoiler: "Darth Bane—recently proclaimed a Dark Lord himself—traveled to Lehon in search of power enough to topple the existing Sith regime, the Brotherhood of Darkness. Once there, he discovered Revan's holocron and from it received training and instruction that, in his opinion, surpassed the entirety of Korriban Academy's archives."
Comments: Darth Bane was not powerful enough to topple the Sith regime in his time. But Revan's knowledge helped him to achieve this mission. One of the things that Bane learned from Revan was the ritual of the deadly "Thought Bomb".
- From Star Wars-NEC: "Revan pushed back and fed on a planet full of DS energy. Revan's will allows him to feed on (and not be consumed by) the power of the dark side."
Comments: This information demonstrates "Drain Knowledge". And Revan was so strong willed that he actually fed on Dark Side Energies.
- From Star Wars-NEC: "And he draws dark side energy from space and uses it to over power and dominate the will of many many Jedi at once. Revan is able to draw upon the dark side energies of the planet below and use it during the battle, destroying the Mandalore and ending the Mandalorian threat. Simultaneously, more and more Jedi, unable to ignore the power emanating from the planet below, become corrupted by its influence."
Comments: This ability shows that Revan can greatly enhance his power by drawing support from the Dark Side energies in the force, whenever he wants to. Revan can also lure Jedi to his cause through dark side energies and this shows his powerful "telekinetic mind domination" ability.
- Narration from "The One": "You used one of those magical powers of yours to kill many of my warriors who were also accompanied by Rancor Beasts. Your power extended from sky and slaughtered all of my scouting parties along with the beasts".
Comments: This is a direct quote from "The One" - Leader of one of the Rakatan Tribes - fighting for dominance over Lehon planet. He revealed this to Revan, when Revan met him again. The power that the "The One" was describing was Revan's incredible "Force Lightening Storm", which goes up high in the air and then spreads with rapid space killing any one instantly in its path. This power is not limited to any specific distance as it keeps on spreading until its wielder stops it.
- Revan as a Warrior:
[i]"You, Revan, are the single greatest warrior of this age"[/B] - Narration by Canderous.
The actual concept art of Revan shows that Revan was a master of "Jar Kai" combat. He also demonstrates "Juyo" form when he was facing Bastilla and her companions on his ship. He also earned the reputation of "saber prodigy" due to his excellent dueling capabilities. Only "Kavar" and "Malak" were close.
Carth Onasi comments on Revan's saber skills: [i]"I've been watching you wield that lightsaber, actually. Your finesse with it is incredible."
Revan is known to kill many powerful warriors in his age. Some of them are:
- Mandalore: The Ultimate (He was the leader of the huge mandalorian army that Republic faced in Revan's time and he was the second most powerful mandalorian ever known. Revan alone killed him in a single combat and executed him in front of his followers.)
- Yusanis (He was the greatest Echani Warrior ever known in entire Star Wars Saga. He challenged Revan in a duel and Revan proved his superior precognition capability in this fight by killing him.)
- Darth Malak (He was a master swordsman and a very powerful force user as well. He was one of the most powerful Sith Lords ever known in KOTOR era and among Ancients. He was killed by Revan alone in an epic duel.)
- Calo Nord (He was the most powerful Bounty Hunter of KOTOR era. He was also the most feared bounty hunter in Taris and the only person smart enough to survive the destruction of Taris on his own.)
- Bendak Starkiller (He was the best warrior in entire Taris planet and he dominated the dueling contests for 20 years and killed many warriors. He was ultimately killed by Revan in a pure dueling contest, as hundreds of people watched.)
Another quote from a Sith - Yuthura Ban, on Revan: "I hear he was a very powerful man. Very charismatic."
You can learn more by exploring yourself.
Originally posted by The Planet
Yes, and she pwned you. I beat her.
Quit parading around that you "beat" me, when anyone with a clear mind can look into the thread, and see that movie novelizations are canon.
And Prodigal, he didn't even "beat" me. Yet another Nebaris trait, when he thinks he's won an argument (as per his perception is always), he touts off about such.
We were arguing about novels being canon. I was pro-canon, he was anti-canon. It's quite obvious who's right (me!); although, his arguments were well formulated, the main conclusion was nonetheless wrong.
But, I will ask: is it like an accomplish to stand up to, or the improbable defeat me? It seems that's a standard for being "1337sauce" around here, lol.
Quit parading around that you "beat" me, when anyone with a clear mind can look into the thread, and see that movie novelizations are canon.And Prodigal, he didn't even "beat" me. Yet another Nebaris trait, when he thinks he's won an argument (as per his perception is always), he touts off about such.
We were arguing about novels being canon. I was pro-canon, he was anti-canon. It's quite obvious who's right (me!); although, his arguments were well formulated, the main conclusion was nonetheless wrong
I suspected as much.
But, I will ask: is it like an accomplish to stand up to, or the improbable defeat me? It seems that's a standard for being "1337sauce" around here, lol.
I stopped thinking that when I took you on the second time and realized that Advent isn't unstoppable. Some people take you for a goddess.
@ SW_LeGeND:
From Star Wars-NEC: "Revan pushed back and fed on a planet full of DS energy. Revan's will allows him to feed on (and not be consumed by) the power of the dark side."
I noticed something while skimming your inane post regarding Revan. Here you list the source as "NEC", which is an abbreviation for the New Essential Chronology, as that's what it's generally accepted as.
Now, assuming you are referring to the New Essential Chronology, then I'd have to ask: why lie?
I have the NEC, and it makes no mention of this whatsoever. So, recheck your source, son, because this was pulled straight from your ass. What page does this come under? I carefully reviewed each topic that refers to Revan in the NEC, and somehow, this isn't there.
Some advice: lying will not help your argument.
- From Star Wars-NEC: "And he draws dark side energy from space and uses it to over power and dominate the will of many many Jedi at once. Revan is able to draw upon the dark side energies of the planet below and use it during the battle, destroying the Mandalore and ending the Mandalorian threat. Simultaneously, more and more Jedi, unable to ignore the power emanating from the planet below, become corrupted by its influence.
Likewise, as same as the above. This is bullshit, and not written in the New Essential Chronology. The actual text regarding the Mandalorian War is this:
Unlucky for you that I actually have the source material to back up what I'm saying. There's not a single reference to Revan doing this throughout any page that he's mentioned on. And I'm sure I didn't miss it, but if you believe otherwise then provide a page number.
Of course, there's always the chance you got the source mixed up, if that's the case then you can also disregard this post, but the NEC says nothing of the sort.
In any case, I reinforce my advice: lying will not help your argument.
@ Prodigal:
Some people take you for a goddess.
And rightfully so. 😛
Originally posted by Advent
In any case, I reinforce my advice: lying will not help your argument.
XXXActStylesXXX has mentioned this information from a canon source "The Chronicles" so you can confirm from him.
One other interesting quote. After be revealed that Revan was Revan (lol) that alien in Korriban's cantina, that sold you arms, comments many of your acts. When he asks you if you killed the Krayt Dragon on Tantooine, he first expresses his concern, but them he confesses that "if there are anyone that can survive such contest is you revan", something like this. Also, after the korriban test, in which you have to kill Tentareks, Revan confesses to the sith's acadamy master that he didn't even sweet or excite himself, and the master answered that "maybe to someone with your talents...". Well, to the people how don't know, tentareks actually prey on jedis.
Anyway, as i said before, Revan was a great warrior and 1 off the greatest siths ever. Yet, i think that sidious was THE greatest sith ever, especially because he is a movie character, lol.
So, my opinion remains, Sidious wins but not without injuries and a very very hard fight.
Originally posted by kamhal
One other interesting quote. After be revealed that Revan was Revan (lol) that alien in Korriban's cantina, that sold you arms, comments many of your acts. When he asks you if you killed the Krayt Dragon on Tantooine, he first expresses his concern, but them he confesses that "if there are anyone that can survive such contest is you revan", something like this. Also, after the korriban test, in which you have to kill Tentareks, Revan confesses to the sith's acadamy master that he didn't even sweet or excite himself, and the master answered that "maybe to someone with your talents...". Well, to the people how don't know, tentareks actually prey on jedis.Anyway, as i said before, Revan was a great warrior and 1 off the greatest siths ever. Yet, i think that sidious was THE greatest sith ever, especially because he is a movie character, lol.
So, my opinion remains, Sidious wins but not without injuries and a very very hard fight.
1. Wrong topic
2. This is the Rev vs. Ani Topic 😆 😂 🤣 😱 😄
NOTE: My above post had some errors regarding sources and thus I have decided to address those errors here.
@ jollyjim311
Excuse me?
You think that canonical sources like Darth Bane: Path Of Destruction and Star Wars: New Essential Chronology and references from other canonical sources are biased towards Revan then you are wasting your time! dude!
You can't just go around and argue against canonical stuff. It is not going to help your cause.
But I will make things more easy for you.
- From Revan's EU profile: "Aboard the Star Forge, Revan almost single-handedly defeated an entire army of Sith and Dark Jedi, a testament to his power in the Force and mastery of lightsaber combat."
Link: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/read_article.php?topic_id=24266711&union_id=2511&print=1
More information: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/read_article.php?topic_id=24260119&union_id=2511
Important NOTE: Gamespot gathers its information from its "Starwars Expanded Universe Union" channel.
NOTE: Revan's immense mastery of the force was put to test on Star Forge and he proved it by defeating all kinds of odds there. He encountered waves after waves of powerful Battle Droids, Dark Jedi and Elite Sith Troopers and he defeated them all. Malak himself acknowledged this fact and he believed that no matter what he throws at Revan, will not stop him and most it would do will just slow him down. Malak's commander was also aware of this.
- From Revan's EU profile: "Finally, Revan again confronted his old friend and apprentice, Malak, in an epic lightsaber duel. During their duel, Malak continually sucked the life force from Jedi held in stasis to replenish his energies. This, however, was not enough to defeat Revan, as he forcefully released the captive Jedi, allowing them to become one with the Force. At last, Malak was cut down."
NOTE: It is evident from this description that Malak - despite of all the impressive skills and powers he knew, failed against Revan. Revan was so powerful that he "force-fully" converted some of the captured Jedi to become with the force.
- From starwars.com (blogs section): "Eventually, Revan tracked Malak to the Star Forge and in a titanic duel Malak was killed.
NOTE: The duel between Revan and Malak was so immense that is was referred to be of "titanic" proportions in an official source and Revan won. Note that Malak was also a master swordsman and he has defeated the best known Jedi warrior of KOTOR period "Jedi Master Kavar" and proved his elite Light Saber skills.
- The personal words of Revan's mentor kreia: "Revan was Power. Looking in to his eyes was like looking in to the heart of the force, still you could see the souls of many Jedi that he would slay".
Note: Kriea says this to Exile in KOTOR II when describing Revan.
- From Darth Bane: Path of Destruction: QUOTE from Revan to Bane: "My time here is ended. Take what I have taught you and use it well."
Additional Spoiler: "Darth Bane—recently proclaimed a Dark Lord himself—traveled to Lehon in search of power enough to topple the existing Sith regime, the Brotherhood of Darkness. Once there, he discovered Revan's holocron and from it received training and instruction that, in his opinion, surpassed the entirety of Korriban Academy's archives."
NOTE: Darth Bane was not powerful enough to topple the Sith regime in his time. But Revan's knowledge helped him to achieve this mission. One of the things that Bane learned from Revan was the ritual of the deadly "Thought Bomb".
- From The Chronicles: (Revealed by XXXAcStylesXXX) "Revan pushed back and fed on a planet full of DS energy. Revan's will allows him to feed on (and not be consumed by) the power of the dark side."
Comments: This information demonstrates "Drain Knowledge". And Revan was so strong willed that he actually fed on Dark Side Energies.
- From The Chronicles: (Revealed by XXXAcStylesXXX) "And he draws dark side energy from space and uses it to over power and dominate the will of many many Jedi at once. Revan is able to draw upon the dark side energies of the planet below and use it during the battle, destroying the Mandalore and ending the Mandalorian threat. Simultaneously, more and more Jedi, unable to ignore the power emanating from the planet below, become corrupted by its influence."
NOTE: This ability shows that Revan can greatly enhance his power by drawing support from the Dark Side energies in the force, whenever he wants to. Revan can also lure Jedi to his cause through dark side energies and this shows his powerful "telekinetic mind domination" ability.
- Narration from "The One" - Leader of a Rakatan Faction: "You used one of those magical powers of yours to kill many of my warriors who were also accompanied by Rancor Beasts. Your power extended from sky and slaughtered all of my scouting parties along with the beasts".
NOTE: This is a direct quote from "The One" - Leader of one of the Rakatan Tribes - fighting for dominance over Lehon planet. He revealed this to Revan, when Revan met him again. The power that the "The One" was describing was Revan's incredible "Force Lightening Storm", which goes up high in the air and then spreads with rapid space killing any one instantly in its path. This power is not limited to any specific distance as it keeps on spreading until its wielder stops it.
- Revan as a Warrior:
"You, Revan, are the single greatest warrior of this age" - Narration by Canderous.
The actual concept art of Revan shows that Revan was a master of "Jar Kai" combat. He also demonstrates "Juyo" form when he was facing Bastilla and her companions on his ship. He also earned the reputation of "saber prodigy" due to his excellent dueling capabilities. Only "Kavar" and "Malak" were close.
Carth Onasi comments on Revan's saber skills: "I've been watching you wield that lightsaber, actually. Your finesse with it is incredible."
- Revan's Notable Victims:
Revan is known to kill many powerful warriors in his age. Some of them are:
- Mandalore: The Ultimate (He was the leader of the huge mandalorian army that Republic faced in Revan's time and he was the second most powerful mandalorian ever known. Revan alone killed him in a single combat and executed him in front of his followers.)
- Yusanis (He was the greatest Echani Warrior ever known in entire Star Wars Saga. He challenged Revan in a duel and Revan proved his superior precognition capability in this fight by killing him.)
- Darth Malak (He was a master swordsman and a very powerful force user as well. He was one of the most powerful Sith Lords ever known in KOTOR era and among Ancients. He was killed by Revan alone in an epic duel.)
- Darth Bandon (He was a promising young Sith Lord and Malak's apprentice. He even had knowledge of "Force Drain". And he was also killed by Revan.)
- Calo Nord (He was the most powerful Bounty Hunter of KOTOR era. He was also the most feared bounty hunter in Taris and the only person smart enough to survive the destruction of Taris on his own.)
- Bendak Starkiller (He was the best warrior in entire Taris planet and he dominated the dueling contests for 20 years and killed many warriors. He was ultimately killed by Revan in a pure dueling contest, as hundreds of people watched.)
Another quote from a Sith - Yuthura Ban, regarding Revan: "I hear he was a very powerful man. Very charismatic."
NOTE: Revan also survived an encounter with a Krayt Dragon and killed Terentatek creatures and Rancor beasts with ease.
You can learn more by exploring yourself.
I'd like to question the credibility of the following sources.
- From Revan's EU profile: "Aboard the Star Forge, Revan almost single-handedly defeated an entire army of Sith and Dark Jedi, a testament to his power in the Force and mastery of lightsaber combat."Link: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/union...511&print=1
More information: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/union...p;union_id=2511
Important NOTE: Gamespot gathers its information from its "Starwars Expanded Universe Union" channel
First of all, where can I find a direct link to the information in the "Starwars Expanded Universe Union" channel?
Gamespot is not a canon source. It's not in The Holocron and it's about as valid as me. I'd like to know exactly what the SW:EUU said, and I'd like to know their credentials as well.
And here as well.
- From The Chronicles: (Revealed by XXXAcStylesXXX) "Revan pushed back and fed on a planet full of DS energy. Revan's will allows him to feed on (and not be consumed by) the power of the dark side."Comments: This information demonstrates "Drain Knowledge". And Revan was so strong willed that he actually fed on Dark Side Energies.
- From The Chronicles: (Revealed by XXXAcStylesXXX) "And he draws dark side energy from space and uses it to over power and dominate the will of many many Jedi at once. Revan is able to draw upon the dark side energies of the planet below and use it during the battle, destroying the Mandalore and ending the Mandalorian threat. Simultaneously, more and more Jedi, unable to ignore the power emanating from the planet below, become corrupted by its influence."
"The Chronicles"? Can anyone explain to me what that is? Are they are credible source?
NOTE: Revan's immense mastery of the force was put to test on Star Forge and he proved it by defeating all kinds of odds there. He encountered waves after waves of powerful Battle Droids, Dark Jedi and Elite Sith Troopers and he defeated them all. Malak himself acknowledged this fact and he believed that no matter what he throws at Revan, will not stop him and most it would do will just slow him down. Malak's commander was also aware of this.
Too many variables in that battle. In all likelyhood, Revan had many of his friends with him and these dark jedi could have emerged one at a time. The amount of Dark Jedi is also in question, as well as Revan's method of defeating them.
Originally posted by Generic Herowhich is what i exactly pointed out in the revan vs DE palpatine thread, revan had his friends by his side and canonically in the story his whole party should be there, common sense would ask if there was only revan and two of his mates, what the hell are the others doing in the ebon hawk? so i conclude that infact the entire party was with revan during this "army" battle where the weak dark jedis came out 3 by 3 getting easily wtf pwned by the whole party. There are what? 8 people? (excluding bastila) against 3 jedi at a time? come on of cource revan would pwn.
Too many variables in that battle. In all likelyhood, Revan had many of his friends with him and these dark jedi could have emerged one at a time. The amount of Dark Jedi is also in question, as well as Revan's method of defeating them.
Originally posted by Kadesh
which is what i exactly pointed out in the revan vs DE palpatine thread, revan had [B]his friends by his side and canonically in the story his whole party should be there, common sense would ask if there was only revan and two of his mates, what the hell are the others doing in the ebon hawk? so i conclude that infact the entire party was with revan during this "army" battle where the weak dark jedis came out 3 by 3 getting easily wtf pwned by the whole party. There are what? 8 people? (excluding bastila) against 3 jedi at a time? come on of cource revan would pwn. [/B]
While I would like to point out others will be their, I would like to ask, how useful were they?
Carth: blaster bolt deflected. pwned.
Mission: pwned.
Zalbaar: blaster bolts deflected. No force precog. Not an especially great fighter. pwned
Canderous: puts up a fight, but against a legion of DJ's and uberstarforge Jedi killing droids? pwned
Juhani: A cathar Jedi that was stunned in two seconds by Bastilla. Defeated by padawan Revan who was just rediscovering his connection tho the force. pwned.
Jolee: An old Jedi that spent an excess of probably 20 years in the wilderness keeping his force usage to a minimal. Was stunned by Bastila instantly. Was getting owned by a bunch of animals first time you see him. LOL. pwned
All this said an done, a majority of these guys are going to get their asses kicked by an army Malak's finest DJ's and Jedi killing droids.
The majority of the victory it seems was due to Revan being there to save their asses.
Carth: blaster bolt deflected. pwned.Mission: pwned.
Zalbaar: blaster bolts deflected. No force precog. Not an especially great fighter. pwned
Canderous: puts up a fight, but against a legion of DJ's and uberstarforge Jedi killing droids? pwned
Juhani: A cathar Jedi that was stunned in two seconds by Bastilla. Defeated by padawan Revan who was just rediscovering his connection tho the force. pwned.
Jolee: An old Jedi that spent an excess of probably 20 years in the wilderness keeping his force usage to a minimal. Was stunned by Bastila instantly. Was getting owned by a bunch of animals first time you see him. LOL. pwned
I don't think you're getting it.
The Dark Jedi (Unspecified amount at a time) are going to run into a group of:
Mission Vao
Zaalbar
Canderous
Carth
HK 47
T3
All armed with appropriate weaponry. What Dark Jedi can deflect that much blasterfire, along with grenades, all targeted on them? Most of these people are very skilled as well.
Not only that, we have Revan, Bastila, Juhani and Jolee all toting lightsabers. Unless they come in with packs of 8 and above, the sith are pretty much screwed.
Mission Vao
Is this some type of joke? She gets tooled 3 dozen times before she hits the ground by an army of DJ's.
Zaalbar
A bowcaster is going to work well against Malak's best DJ's and Jedi killing droids? He can't even defend against force attacks. Against legions of Dark Jedi coming at him at once?
Canderous
Like I said, he can't even defend from force attacks. A non force sensitive, he can get pushed around easily.
Carth
Blaster bolts deflected. Legions of dark Jedi. Heavily outnumbered. End of story. Can't defend from a simple force push.
HK 47
Can't defend from simple force attacks. Can get easily pushed around. Blaster bolts deflected.
T3
R2 clone against army of DJ's? Please tell me you are kidding.
All armed with appropriate weaponry.
Please show me the proof that they are armed with weaponry that can counter legions of dark Jedi force users and Jedi killing droids. Grenades can be pushed away, more likely hitting them and not the Dark Jedi. Given that there are a legion heading at them at once, I doubt that grenades are going to cut it.
What Dark Jedi can deflect that much blasterfire, along with grenades, all targeted on them? Most of these people are very skilled as well.
Aside from the fact that these guys, (IF all of them came with you) would be outnumbered a 200 to 1, I doubt whatever they had would save their asses. If anything the team is outnumbered. It was only because of Revan that they made it through the entire endeavour alive.
Revan
Precisely my point. He saves their asses.
Bastila
I thought we were all convinced that she was held captive by Malak, and working against Revan.
Juhani
Like I said, never stated that she was powerful. In fact a lot is going against her. She was defeated by neophyte padawan, and also stunned instantly by Bastila. If you believe she improved, show me the proof.
Jolee
-Hasn't used the force for a while (access of 20 years)
-Stunned instantly by Bastila.
-was getting owned by animals
-no proof that he improved
Unless they come in with packs of 8 and above, the sith are pretty much screwed.
Too bad Malak sent everything he had at once in order to subdue Revan. By the end, his entire army of Dark Jedi was taken down. We can conclude that the majority of these guys woudn't have been much help because they can't even defend from basic force attacks (like push)
On the otherhand we have weaklings like Juhani and Jolee, with no explicit or implied proof that they improved.
Most of the companions were liabilities; not an assets.
