Revan vs. Anakin (RoTS)

Aside from the fact that these guys, (IF all of them came with you) would be outnumbered a 200 to 1, I doubt whatever they had would save their asses. If anything the team is outnumbered. It was only because of Revan that they made it through the entire endeavour alive.

This is exactly the problem with the situation you're imagining.

They are not outnumbered 200 to 1 if the Dark Jedi are coming in small packs of 2 and 3, which is precisely what happens in the game. Although you could dismiss this as a gameplay mechanic, it is not a variable. In any playthrough, you will not have to fight more than 4 or 5 at a time.

Too bad Malak sent everything he had at once in order to subdue Revan.

Incorrect. He ordered them all to attack at once. Unless they all start from the exact same point and travel together at the same speed and attack at a proper point (as in, as long as they dont get stuck in a doorway or anything while Revan's crew opens fire), they are not going to be outnumbering Revan's forces 200-1. That kind of situation would require proof. It's more than possible that Dark Jedi were scattered around dozens of training areas, mediation rooms, etc all around the space station in groups of 4 and 5. Notice how they come from several directions, in the game.

Where did you guy that figure, anways? There was an undisclosed amount of Dark Jedi (mostly apprentices) on the Star Forge.

By the end, his entire army of Dark Jedi was taken down.

Do we know that?

They are not outnumbered 200 to 1 if the Dark Jedi are coming in small packs of 2 and 3, which is precisely what happens in the game. Although you could dismiss this as a gameplay mechanic, it is not a variable. In any playthrough, you will not have to fight more than 4 or 5 at a time.

I can very much see the logic in this. Here is my argument:

It is unlikely that the rest of the dark Jedi are sitting on their laps while one batch of DJ's rushes in towards Revan.
I can see them directing lightning or preparing force pushes and pulls in order to scatter the KOTOR team. 40 or so DJ's in lines directing such efforts in order to scatter the KOTOR team would be the end of them, if Revan were not involved.

Compound this with the dozens of doors and hatches we can have maybe 10 or 20 Dark Jedi streaming continuously from every door non stop, while many more offer them support by blasting Revan and co with wave and push, all the while the Star Forge is providing them power. It is unlikely that Revan would want to endager his teammates like that.

Many of the non force sensitives (if they were with him at all) in Revan's company were probably thrown about, since invariably they cannot defend against force attacks. Jolee and Juhani cannot defend against the concerted efforts of dozens of DJ's force tking from behind, mixed with ten or so DJ's streaming forth continously with lightsaber in hand, from multiple hatches.

Add "Jedi killing droid" fire from the rear, and possibly grenades and whatnot, we can see with these guys, they would get tooled. It would seem that only because of Revan they survived.

Where did you guy that figure, anways? There was an undisclosed amount of Dark Jedi (mostly apprentices) on the Star Forge.

An approximation. The Star Forge was described as "enormous", and Malak said send "everything we have". Also I would assume that Malak would keep only his best by his side. It seems to be the most logical assumption, Okkam's razor and all.

Do we know that?

His apprentice said that Revan destroyed them all, to which Malak replies, "Revan was always strong in the force." I am assuming maybe fifteen or so may be scattered or hiding.

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Originally posted by jollyjim311
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And... to fight Bedak you had to be evil. Revan wasn't.

And Anakin beat Asajj, Durge, and Dooku...

I need to go.

This= lame post, sorry.

And Anakin's only notable victory was against Dooku in a one-on-one battle.

Revan have killed many impressive individuals and I have listed some of them.

And what about the rest of my post? Do you think that that information is waste too?

Your views are actually lame and thats it.

Just one thing, wasn't obi-wan that killed Durge?

By the way, everytime i play KOTOR i kill bendak, lol, i don't care if i am lightside, i don't like incomplete quests lol...

Nope, Durge survived against Obi-Wan! Anakin was the one who finished him off forever!

Yeah, but Durge would never forget when he decided to step up against THE GENERAL KENOBI! (See sig)

Sorry about my last post , I had to go.

Someone in my school died in an accident. 🙁 I didn't know him, but, that explains the lameness, I guess.

Anyway, back on topic:

About the Dark Jedi, in gameplay you only run into a few at a time, and, on such a massive ship, I doubt they would all be grouped together. Also, they can either be sneaked by, or taken on a few at a time.

It does mention that Revan had some party members, and, a little detail as to their help and why they would go with him:

They would need someone to stay on the Ship, and the most likely is T-3 (Whatever the Hell his name is). He would be mischievous elsewhere.

Juhani- A Jedi and wouldn't let Revan face this dark threat alone. She was powerful enough to be a worry of the Council on Dantooine, and, she adventured with Revan, so, she'll be some help.

Jolee- Same as above, only he survived in the dangerous forests of Kashyyyk. Bound to be some help.

Canderous- Mandalorian, one of the most feared people on Taris, and probably eager to fight force sensitives again.

Carth- A republic officer with a good blaster arm to lend. He has stuck with Revan the whole time, and I doubt he would quit at the end.

HK-47- I doubt Revan would build an incompetent Assassin droid, and it would be eager to put some "meatbags" down.

Zaalbarr(Spelling?)- Owes Revan a life-debt. He would go. He's a big wookiee with some experience, bound to help at least somewhat.

Mission- Sticks with the Wookiee. Meh, just another blaster shot, sneak, or grenade for support.

This group could easily either split up and sneak or just take on any threats by themselves. A group of 4 or 5 dark Jedi should be no problem, seeing as how Juhani, Jolee, and Canderous, could probably take one confidently unassisted each.

Originally posted by General Kenobl
Yeah, but Durge would never forget when he decided to step up against THE GENERAL KENOBI! (See sig)

If you think about it, Kenobi's been inside Durge............................................................................................................................................... 🥷 😐 🏴‍☠️

jollyjim311, we all know that:

1) he could only take 2 companios with him

2) was revan who destroyed almost every single thread alone, since he was the one that could do it. For example, Malak asked himself how someone was getting through his droids, because there wasn't anyone on the order able to pass through so many hard foes. Then, the other guy said that revan was there, and malak understood. So, abd if you read the canon sources, actually single-handed destroyed everything Malak had to stop him (and even Malak believed that this wouldn't be enough).

Originally posted by kamhal
jollyjim311, we all know that:

1) he could only take 2 companios with him

2) was revan who destroyed almost every single thread alone, since he was the one that could do it. For example, Malak asked himself how someone was getting through his droids, because there wasn't anyone on the order able to pass through so many hard foes. Then, the other guy said that revan was there, and malak understood. So, abd if you read the canon sources, actually single-handed destroyed everything Malak had to stop him (and even Malak believed that this wouldn't be enough).

1) Gameplay. Read why I said that the others would come with him. It wouldn't make sense to only bring two.

2) Thread? I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

He could have either
a) Brought his allies with him and demolished the guards, in their small groups (Because if they were all together, they could be easily avoided).
b) Sneak, Old Ben style, and avoid killing most of the guards and a few Dark Jedi.

I agree that Revan has a greater knowledge of the force, but his experience with it is not much more than Anakins (Revan didn't seem old), and his connection, despite being powerful, is no where close to Anakins, seeing as how he was birthed by the force.

"Dooku had studied the ways of the Force for almost eight decades, becoming one of its most powerful practitioners" and still, his mastery was described as a "joke" when put against Anakin. That means that even if Revan was exponentially stronger in the force then Dooku (not likely at all), then Anakin could still conceivably defend against his attacks. Without a direct example of Revans force powers and how much damage he can do, I don't see him being able to take out Anakin with force alone, in which case, Revan would get smashed thoroughly in saber combat.

Well, if you talk about "gameplay" then revan could have fight all his way alone. In case you forget, in the fight against bastilla and malak he was alone, so canonly he was alone in the star forge.

Also, he showed a great POWER, not only force knowledge. Yes, he was young, he had probably 19-20 years when he fought in the mandalorian wars, yet he was "the greatest single warrior of this era"...

I meant you were talking about gameplay, what are these feats of power that Revan has performed (Revan himself, with a quote and source), and, the same can be said about Anakin during the clone wars.

I am trying to debate this from a neutral standpoint. Revan's feats are considerable, true, and I do believe that he stands an excellent chance of winning this fight. However, you have to consider some things.

Count Dooku was among the very best and most powerful of the Jedi Order, period. Yoda calls him "his greatest student" and his pupil "most learned in the ways of the Force" in Dark Rendezvous. He studied the Force for eight decades, under Yoda and Darth Sidious. He is far more than just an above average duelist, and I think that he is superior to Malak by a fair margin.

And, look what Anakin did to him.

Anakin annihilated him, unrestrained. He made quick work of Dooku's heralded precision and skill, and simply overwhelmed him. Dooku didn't have the opportunity to use a Force attack.

I think that one could make an argument that, as of RotS, Anakin is the best with a lightsaber duelist. And, especially when in the proper mental condition, he is so by a considerable margin. But don't take this opinion as the gospel.

The problem is, I'd say he'd lose against people like Yoda and Sidious, simply, for the way they fight. Sidious especially because self preservation is his primary focus, and he has no qualms or issues with using the environment or bringing his superior Force powers into play, whereas Anakin isn't a broad tactical fighter.

I do think that Anakin > Revan in sheer swordsplay at this point in the juncture, but Revan is more versed in the Force (though I don't think his raw power is as great as Anakin's) and is a superb tactition, this would likely contribute to victory.

But, if it gets to sabers, I don't see Revan winning.

We've seen Sidious lift up three senate pods casually, he is a smart fighter, an amazing potential, and experience, that's why he could beat Anakin.

We haven't seen any showings of the force from Revan as powerful as we've seen Titans like Sidious and Yoda perform. Given that Dooku couldn't do anything to Anakin with the force, I don't see why Revan can. Revan tries a force attack, fails, and is beat in melee.

Prove that Revan is beaten in melee.

The facts are; Revan was stated to be a saber prodigy, he was unmatched with a saber in his time, a time which saw lots of jedi on sith - lightsaber on lightsaber combat, which would give him lots of battle experience (the type of battle experience which really counts for a match like this). He's also fought in two massive wars which would give him quite a bit more experience than Anakin. In other words, he was the top guy in an extremely martial time period, full of badasses. Anakin was like #5 in a lesser time period.

His strength and mastery of the force was damn high as well, which counts for a hell of a lot in a saber battle (reflexes, precognition, augmentation of skills etc.). He also had a talent for precognition, stated to be above the greatest of the Echani seers, who could predict wars years in advance.

And judging by what Kreia said, Tulak Hord had some next way of fighting, and Revan most likely obtained and learnt from his holocron.

But really, this doesn't matter as Revan easily has this in the force. He destroyed countless scouting parties of Rakatan warriors and Rancor beasts with force lightning. His willpower was so high that he was able to resist the darkside of an entire planet. He was able to keep titans like Sion and Nihilus in line. The knowledge of the darkside that Bane accessed in Revan's holocron was said to be larger than the entire archives of the Korriban academy, and that was only what Bane actually accessed, there was likely much more knowledge. Anakin simply can't quite compare, he wasn't even able to overpower Obi-Wan with the force.

Anakin>Revan in saber dueling because although Revan was the best in an order of tens of thousands, we don't know how that would measure up to the PT era.
Revan>Anakin in the force. This is more than obvious if you played KOTOR and especially if you read POD.. In an overall fight I would give it to Revan due to him being a superb tactician.

Anakin>Revan in saber dueling because although Revan was the best in an order of tens of thousands, we don't know how that would measure up to the PT era.

You do realise that argument can be applied to both right? I can just as easily say,
Anakin<Revan in saber dueling because although Anakin was one of the best in the PT Jedi Order, we don't know how that would measure up to the KotOR Jedi Order.

Originally posted by The Planet
You do realise that argument can be applied to both right? I can just as easily say,
Anakin<Revan in saber dueling because although Anakin was one of the best in the PT Jedi Order, we don't know how that would measure up to the KotOR Jedi Order.

Except that we know that the PT era was the peak of lightsaber combat, so your argument fails.

How do we know that? You need to provide proof, Sexy.

How do we know that? Everyone already knows that on this forum because the proof from George Lucas was brought forth time and time again. Consult lightsnake or somebody, I don't have the time for this nonsense. It was in many George Lucas interviews.