Revan vs. Anakin (RoTS)

Started by The Planet8 pages

Originally posted by jollyjim311
How is Dooku a "pipsqueak" in the force when compared to Revan, seeing as Revan really has done nothing impressive, and "Dooku had studied the ways of the Force for almost eight decades, becoming one of its most powerful practitioners"?

Name a few things that we can use to quantify Revans power, please.

Solid feats would be nice.

Oh wait, nothing? Damn. It can be assumed that he is very powerful, given his defeat of Malak, knowledge of some ancient techniques, and how he was such a hero and all, but, assumptions don't cut it when he is in a versus match against someone really powerful.

Revan defeated an entire army of Rakatans (including Rancors) with a storm of force lightning, that's beyond anything Dooku has done, far beyond.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
How is Dooku a "pipsqueak" in the force when compared to Revan, seeing as Revan really has done nothing impressive

This is the biggest load of shit I have yet read in this thread. I can't help but laugh at your ignorance on Revan.

Revan had achieved far more then Dooku could ever dream off.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
, and "Dooku had studied the ways of the Force for almost eight decades, becoming one of its most powerful practitioners"?

So what do you think that Revan was doing when he became a Sith Lord? Was he dating beautiful women?

After becoming a DLOTS, he visited many worlds that contained vast knowledge of Ancient Sith powers and rituals and thus gained immense knowledge of Dark Side powers in his quest for greater power. He visited tombs of various famous ancient Sith Lords (who are believed to be more powerful then Dooku) and learned a good deal of their secrets as well. In the end he became so powerful that many people started joining him and ultimately he created a vast and powerful Sith Empire.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Name a few things that we can use to quantify Revans power, please.

A) In POD Novel, Bane said that Revan's holocron was the best source of knowledge for him and Revan's knowledge was so immense that it surpassed the entire Sith knowledge found in the ancient Sith World of Korriban. Revan even taught Bane the secret of the dreaded "Thought Bomb".

B) In NEC or Chronicles, it was revealed that Revan pushed back and fed on a planet full of DS energy. Revan's Will is so strong that it allows him to feed on (and not be consumed by) the power of the dark side.

C) Again from NEC or Chronicles: Revan drew dark side energy from space and used it to over power and dominate the will of many many Jedi at once. Revan was able to draw upon the dark side energies of the planet below and used it during the battle, destroying the Mandalore and ending the Mandalorian threat. Simultaneously, more and more Jedi, unable to ignore the power emanating from the planet below, become corrupted by its influence.

D) In Star Forge, Revan almost single handedly destroyed an entire Sith Army and then alone killed Darth Malak (whose powers were further enhanced by Star Forge).

E) Revan also killed a large number of Rakatan warriors (accompanied by ferocious Rancor Beasts) in a single stroke of his dreaded Force Lightening Storm in Lehon planet.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Solid feats would be nice.
Here are a few:
- A master swordsman with precognition capability superior to that of Echani precognition.
- Great knowledge of both Light Side and Dark Side powers.
- Superior Telekinetic capability.
- Drain Knowledge.
- Force Lightening Storm generation capability. (That eclipses anything that Dooku knows).
- Very strong in the Force.
- Superior Mind Dominance. (Capable of corrupting any Jedi and Sith to lure him to his cause)

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Oh wait, nothing? Damn. It can be assumed that he is very powerful, given his defeat of Malak, knowledge of some ancient techniques, and how he was such a hero and all, but, assumptions don't cut it when he is in a versus match against someone really powerful.

Their are no assumptions regarding Revan's immense power. Various canonical sources have already hinted on this.

Malak's defeat was one of his accomplishments. And he has done lot more then that. And it is time for you to open your eyes now.

Prove that it was to a scale to boast about and not just a primitive race being impressed by a few magic tricks.

So.. AOTC Obi Wan is as Wise as Yoda and as powerful as Windu, you know that, right? And Dookus skills have surpassed Yodas' by AOTC.

Originally posted by The Planet
Prove it. Advent tried, and failed.

It contradicts the highest form of canon on too many occasions to be considered canon, this is largely due to it being based on an early draft of the script.

Now even if (and that's a big if) the movie novelisation was canon, the fight scene certainly is not as the whole thing is a direct contradiction to the movie. and I'm pretty sure that's what JJ is referring to, so either way, I win.

Read the KMC policy, Ushgarak has said himself it is canon from what I remember! And it is only un-canon when it contradicts the movie, when it expands, it is not!

Yeha, and if it contradicts your opinion, tough.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Prove that it was to a scale to boast about and not just a primitive race being impressed by a few magic tricks.

So.. AOTC Obi Wan is as Wise as Yoda and as powerful as Windu, you know that, right? And Dookus skills have surpassed Yodas' by AOTC.

PLease JollyJiM, The One would have no reason to lie or exaggerate, he clearly stated that Revan's lightning was able to destroy an entire army of Rakatans and Rancors, to ignore such a thing is complete bias.

Originally posted by kamikz
Read the KMC policy, Ushgarak has said himself it is canon from what I remember! And it is only un-canon when it contradicts the movie, when it expands, it is not!

Ushgarak is wrong then. Prove that it's canon.

Already done! Ushgarak is right!

How about you quit appealing to authority, and prove it. You haven't done so yet. A quote from Lucas would be great.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Prove that it was to a scale to boast about and not just a primitive race being impressed by a few magic tricks.

So.. AOTC Obi Wan is as Wise as Yoda and as powerful as Windu, you know that, right? And Dookus skills have surpassed Yodas' by AOTC.


Hey tough one; read my post above on Revan in which I have answered all of your questions (using canonical sources as well). And then make-up your mind.

Originally posted by The Planet
How about you quit appealing to authority, and prove it. You haven't done so yet. A quote from Lucas would be great.

Nope, it wouldn't be!

Well Planet, I mean if you wanted to you can just argue with Ush on this.....

Advice: Argue with Ushagarak, and you'll get pwned!

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Hey tough one; read my post above on Revan in which I have answered all of your questions (using canonical sources as well). And then make-up your mind.

No, you haven't. I need sources and non-gameplay material.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
No, you haven't. I need sources and non-gameplay material.

Oh Boy! I have provided direct references from two Novels (POD and NEC) in my post and whatever I have told you has nothing to do with gameplay material.

Read my post "very carefully" and you will know that whatever I have mentioned has nothing to do with gameplay material.

Originally posted by General Kenobl
Well Planet, I mean if you wanted to you can just argue with Ush on this.....

Advice: Argue with Ushagarak, and you'll get pwned!

Please, i've gone toe to toe with Advent and won, Ush wouldn't be able to touch me. Bring him here if you will.

Okay then, re-sum it up with exact examples of his power. Not paraphrased quotes from biased sources. Something where it shows or describes a force attack.

Not gameplay. Use quotes; exact, unbiased, quotes.

How is the One biased? JJ, your bias against KotOR is considerable.

If I ran in your room, and zapped a bolt of lightning at you, you'd be scared too, even if it wasn't huge. The Ractan are a primitive race, and any show of force power, be it impressive or not, will, well, impress them.

If I ran in your room, and zapped a bolt of lightning at you, you'd be scared too, even if it wasn't huge.

Doesn't mean that I would describe it as killing thousands of people, LOL!

The Ractan are a primitive race, and any show of force power, be it impressive or not, will, well, impress them.

Yes it would be impressive to them, but The One stated clearly that the lightning destroyed an entire army of them, he would have no need to exaggerate or lie.

Please, i've gone toe to toe with Advent and won, Ush wouldn't be able to touch me. Bring him here if you will.

LOL, I went toe to toe with Advent as well. FYI, Ushagark pwned the hell out of Advent.