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I wish your Nana the best that time and fate have to offer her.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What does your grandma believe? Does she believe in healing?
Wait. So despite you high morals there are circumstances where you wouldn't pray for someone's life due to their beliefs?
Originally posted by Grinning Goku
Why did you feel the need to post here?
I didn't feel any need, praying doesn't have any effect whatsoever, it's been proven.
If you want to do something for your grandmother, talk to her, laugh with her, be with her, help her out or just listen to anything she has to say, doing these things will actually do some good for your grandmother.
I've lost lots of my family to cancer so I know what your going through. But believe me, prayer does nothing, it might give YOU hope, but will do nothing to benefit your grandmother.
Re: Re: Fellow Christians needend!
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What does your grandma believe? Does she believe in healing?
Matthew 13:58
Now He did not do many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
Mark 6:5
Now He could do no mighty work there, except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them.
Based on these two Scriptures Wolf_Girl15 my prayer of faith on behalf of your grandmother can be short circuited based on what she believes or does not believe. It did not matter how much anointing (i.e. power) Jesus had to heal or perform other mighty works if those Whom He prayed for doubted His power. These Scriptures show that there were some things that not even Jesus could do because of other people's unbelief. You need to find out whether your grandmother believes that she is healed from cancer by Jesus Christ's stripes as the Bible states. The Bible states that we are healed already but we must believe this in order for it to manifest (i.e. actually come to pass in our physical body). Tell your grandmother to read 1 Peter 2:24. This Scripture promises healing for anyone that will believe it and confess it with his/her mouth until it comes to pass.
1 Peter 2:24
who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.
Did you see that? The Word states that we were healed (past tense). We must believe that we were (or are) healed. Since I "were" healed then that means that I "am" healed. Everything that your grandmother says must agree with this Truth. Although she has cancer in her body, her confession out of her mouth must be that she believes that she is healed from cancer by Jesus Christ's stripes.
Originally posted by Wolf_Girl15
He was suposed to die.... the medicine was brand new, it ended his cancer.... and God had to have helped..... His lung colapsed, he had heart problems, open heart surgery
I don't see how that shows that God had to help. there are a million different eplanations. But, hey, if your Grandma believes in it it might have a positive placebo effect on her. Can be very powerful.
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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I wish your Nana the best that time and fate have to offer her.Wait. So despite you high morals there are circumstances where you wouldn't pray for someone's life due to their beliefs?
As I have already explained, unbelief in God's power can prevent God's power from coming to bear in your life to impact and change your circumstances. As anointed as Jesus was to do mighty works by the power of the Holy Spirit, there were some instances where not even Jesus was able to do mighty works for some people because of their unbelief (not His power, their unbelief in His power). For example, God cannot even save you, wash away your sins, and bring you to Heaven if you do not believe that He exists or that He sent Jesus to die for your sins (He will let you go to Hell on the basis of your unbelief in His power to save you). If you do not believe that Jesus is Lord and Savior then no matter how powerful He is, He cannot save you personally. You must exercise faith in Him by repenting of your sins and then ask Him to save you in order for Him to be able to save you personally. This is how God has designed the system to work. Without faith it is impossible to relate to God, get saved/born again, or even receive healing from God.
This is why faith is so vitally important. What you believe or don't believe will determine what you receive from God. This is one reason why some prayers are not answered. That is why I asked Wolf_Girl15 what her grandmother believed. Just like Jesus did not and could not do mighty works in certain areas because of their unbelief (regardless of how anointed He was by the Holy Spirit), my prayer on behalf of her grandmother will be ineffectual based on what she believes or does not believe. In order for my prayer of faith to work for Wolf_Girl15's grandmother she must agree with the Word of God that she is healed by Jesus Christ's stripes because that is what I would pray over her. My faith is based on the Word of God, but her faith must also be based on the Word of God. If my faith is based on the Word of God, but her grandmother's faith is not based on the Word of God then my prayer of faith for her will be in vain (i.e. it will not work for her).
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveSo you are factually admitting that God is not almighty, right?
As I have already explained, unbelief in God's power can prevent God's power from coming to bear in your life to impact and change your circumstances. As anointed as Jesus was to do mighty works by the power of the Holy Spirit, there were some instances where not even Jesus was able to do mighty works for some people because of [B]their unbelief (not His power, their unbelief in His power). For example, God cannot even save you, wash away your sins, and bring you to Heaven if you do not believe that He exists or that He sent Jesus to die for your sins (He will let you go to Hell on the basis of your unbelief in His power to save you). If you do not believe that Jesus is Lord and Savior then no matter how powerful He is, He cannot save you personally. You must exercise faith in Him by repenting of your sins and then ask Him to save you in order for Him to be able to save you personally. This is how God has designed the system to work. Without faith it is impossible to relate to God, get saved/born again, or even receive healing from God.This is why faith is so vitally important. What you believe or don't believe will determine what you receive from God. This is one reason why some prayers are not answered. That is why I asked Wolf_Girl15 what her grandmother believed. Just like Jesus did not and could not do mighty works in certain areas because of their unbelief (regardless of how anointed He was by the Holy Spirit), my prayer on behalf of her grandmother will be ineffectual based on what she believes or does not believe. In order for my prayer of faith to work for Wolf_Girl15's grandmother she must agree with the Word of God that she is healed by Jesus Christ's stripes because that is what I would pray over her. My faith is based on the Word of God, but her faith must also be based on the Word of God. If my faith is based on the Word of God, but her grandmother's faith is not based on the Word of God then my prayer of faith for her will be in vain (i.e. it will not work for her). [/B]
You may want to reconsider your request.
Originally posted by Wolf_Girl15
My grandma was just diagnosed with cancer for the second time, I want to ask all Christians out there to pray for her, I love my grandma, God got my dad through 3 kinds of cancer, and heart surgery, please please pray for her. Please just post that you will pray for her, and I thank you in advance.
"Prayers Don't Help Heart Surgery Patients; Some Fare Worse When Prayed For" Harvard University"The primary goal of the study was limited to evaluating whether intercessory prayer or the knowledge of receiving it would influence recovery after bypass surgery," notes Jeffery Dusek, an instructor in medicine at Harvard Medical School.
The evaluation found that third-party prayer has no effect at all on recovery from surgery without complications, and that patients who knew they were receiving prayer fared worse that those who were not prayed for.
Originally posted by BorisSorry, to clarify I'm referring to prayer for oneself may have a placebo effect on some minor conditions - but I haven't read any literature to support this, it was just a supposition. Prayer for someone else isn't going to do anything at all in any case.
No, not really, from studies and experiments its been shown that praying does nada.It might make the person praying and the one who is being prayed for feel good, but it would have no effect on medial conditions.
Originally posted by Bardock42
So you are factually admitting that God is not almighty, right?
Stop reading what is not there. Did I say that God was not Almighty? No, I did not. God is Almighty but God will not override your unbelief. For example, no matter how much God loves you He will not force you to believe in His Son so that you can avoid Hell and go to Heaven to be with Him when you die. God will honor your lack of faith or unbelief and permit you to go to Hell. This does not have any bearing on God's omnipotence, it is a matter of your unbelief in His power to save you. In other words, the ball is in your court, and the problem is on your end not His.