What determines if a character is above Street Level?

Tha C-Master Zitz! Rash! Pimple!

This one has been on my mind for awhile... the terminology of what is Street Level is too vague. Some would consider Spiderman street level, and others would argue he's beyond. In terms of what and who he fights he would be Street Level, but in terms of powerset he is beyond DD, Cap, Batman, etc. So I can see what both sides are getting at.

Is it the fact that they cannot fly? Or that they are fighting normal crooks and "people on the street", or what? What makes a character street level, and where would you draw the line.

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endrict Restricted

anyone around human level----superhuman

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Originally posted by endrict
anyone around human level----superhuman

So by your definition guys like Wolverine and Spiderman are above Street Level since they have superhuman abilities? Or do you mean in terms of physical aspects, which would make Wolverine arguably Street Level?

endrict Restricted

Yes Logan is meant to be street level - above street level but stupid writers and fans make him a God.

BTW this isnt a vs thead.

Validus Senior Member

Humans (Batman) to low level superhuman(Cap, peak human my ass)

Wolverine would be street level if not for the healing factor which makes him a low mid tier guy. Spider-Man would be a notch above him.

complexbrother The protector of logic

I agree with most of this thread . Street level is for the heroes that dosn't have and "active" powers like super strength, speed, energy blasts, and invunerability . people say that Spider-man is street level because of the location and type of criminal he usually fights, but according to the Marvel U database itself, thats not right. now a streetlevel hero can acclaim top hero status (Batman, Daredevil) but the true meaning of Street level simply means that a hero has no more actual phyical powers (notice I didn't say skill or gadjets) than the common thug, hired goon, bank robber that they fight every night. plus it don't hurt to work in an urban enviroment . allthough there are excptions for every rule.

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Originally posted by endrict
Yes Logan is meant to be street level - above street level but stupid writers and fans make him a God.
BTW this isnt a vs thead.

shhh....

Originally posted by Validus
Humans (Batman) to low level superhuman(Cap, peak human my ass)
Wolverine would be street level if not for the healing factor which makes him a low mid tier guy. Spider-Man would be a notch above him.

So any touch of "superhumaness" makes them not street level.

I take it Cyclops and Shadowcat aren't street level either?

Originally posted by complexbrother
I agree with most of this thread . Street level is for the heroes that dosn't have and "active" powers like super strength, speed, energy blasts, and invunerability . people say that Spider-man is street level because of the location and type of criminal he usually fights, but according to the Marvel U database itself, thats not right. now a streetlevel hero can acclaim top hero status (Batman, Daredevil) but the true meaning of Street level simply means that a hero has no more actual phyical powers (notice I didn't say skill or gadjets) than the common thug, hired goon, bank robber that they fight every night. plus it don't hurt to work in an urban enviroment . allthough there are excptions for every rule.

I didn't know the database itself said that... nevertheless we are all in conjunctive agreement that it's the degree of physicality without anything else that makes them street level?

DigiMark007 Forum Leader

This is always problematic.

"Street Level" is a discussion board term, not a strict definition for actual comics. So there isn't really a set level.

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Originally posted by complexbrother
, but according to the Marvel U database itself, thats not right.

This got me here.

And nevertheless, what would set the standards of streetleveledness?

grey fox KMC Magik Founder

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

I take it Cyclops and Shadowcat aren't street level either?

A guy who can vaporise a whole forest and take out multiple sentinels. Hell no.

Shadowcat may have been street when she started but not any more. Ninja skills + Heart pull FTW.

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Originally posted by grey fox
A guy who can vaporise a whole forest and take out multiple sentinels. Hell no.

I wouldn't consider him one either, but people made it seem physical.

What about Beast? He's been upgraded, but would he be considered above Street Level?

Originally posted by grey fox
Shadowcat may have been street when she started but not any more. Ninja skills + Heart pull FTW.

So her intangibility allows her to take street levelers with ease, correct?

grey fox KMC Magik Founder

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I wouldn't consider him one either, but people made it seem physical.

Cyclops's main ability is his optic blasts , said blasts can level a small city or moon. That is not street level.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
What about Beast? He's been upgraded, but would he be considered above Street Level?

Not sure . Beast is.....tricky. People aren't entirely sure whether his strength level is 25 tons or 2. The healing factor amps him up but i dont believe it's very effective. So far he just seems to be a more cat like version of Wolverine (with super intelligence)

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So her intangibility allows her to take street levelers with ease, correct?

On KMC yes.

H. S. 6 Approaching the End

Originally posted by DigiMark007
This is always problematic.
"Street Level" is a discussion board term, not a strict definition for actual comics. So there isn't really a set level.

Exactly.

The only way to define it would be to classify anyone who primarily operates on/near the "streets" to be a street leveller. And even that's shaky.

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Originally posted by grey fox
Cyclops's main ability is his optic blasts , said blasts can level a small city or moon. That is not street level.

I agree, so I imagine you would place him low mid tier?

Originally posted by grey fox
Not sure . Beast is.....tricky. People aren't entirely sure whether his strength level is 25 tons or 2. The healing factor amps him up but i dont believe it's very effective. So far he just seems to be a more cat like version of Wolverine (with super intelligence)

Beast is a hard one to guage because he hasn't had enough feats to show for himself.

Originally posted by grey fox
On KMC yes.

Which is what matters the most, so you think that Wolverine, DD, Bats, are street level?

Or anyone Cap and below?

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Exactly.
The only way to define it would be to classify anyone who primarily operates on/near the "streets" to be a street leveller. And even that's shaky.

So Spiderman/Cyclops are street level to you then?

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge

I think the level of threats/villains a character deals regularly is what decides whether or not the are a street level and not their actual stats. For instance I considered Luck Cage a street level hero.

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think the level of threats/villains a character deals regularly is what decides whether or not the are a street level and not their actual stats. For instance I considered Luck Cage a street level hero.

Ok then this is what makes Spiderman a split in the middle.

By definition of abilities he is widely considered "beyond" Street Level, but many of his classic villans are just clowns... so does he stay Street Level because Vulture still gives him trouble?

masterbruce Senior Member

I personally think the most important factor is the enemies you fight regularly, because really that shows what the writers intended the character to be.

For example, batman and DD are def street level. Just look at their gallery of rogues, mostly humans who aren't necessarily even peak.

Spiderman, Wolverine and Captain America are not street levels. Wolverine often fights with superfoes like Hulk, Sabretooth, etc. Spiderman often fights venom, carnage, etc and Captain America is fighting super foes of avengers, not some human with mental issues.

so for me, its pretty clear who are street level and who isn't.

masterbruce Senior Member

Originally posted by endrict
Yes Logan is meant to be street level - above street level but stupid writers and fans make him a God.
BTW this isnt a vs thead.

If writers make him a God, wouldn't that imply that he isn't meant to be a street level?

Validus Senior Member

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So any touch of "superhumaness" makes them not street level.
I take it Cyclops and Shadowcat aren't street level either?

Not any touch. Like I said, I consider Cap superhuman but he's still street level in my view. Daredevil has the radar sense but still street level. Cyclops and Shadowcat definitely aren't street level, not forum wise anyway. Shadowcat could possibly take down a top tier if she got lucky enough.

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Originally posted by masterbruce
I personally think the most important factor is the enemies you fight regularly, because really that shows what the writers intended the character to be.
For example, batman and DD are def street level. Just look at their gallery of rogues, mostly humans who aren't necessarily even peak.
Spiderman, Wolverine and Captain America are not street levels. Wolverine often fights with superfoes like Hulk, Sabretooth, etc. Spiderman often fights venom, carnage, etc and Captain America is fighting super foes of avengers, not some human with mental issues.
so for me, its pretty clear who are street level and who isn't.

So you don't see Cap above Street level? Despite his jobber aura? What is he on the forum? Most would consider him street level here...

Originally posted by Validus
Not any touch. Like I said, I consider Cap superhuman but he's still street level in my view. Daredevil has the radar sense but still street level. Cyclops and Shadowcat definitely aren't street level, not forum wise anyway. Shadowcat could possibly take down a top tier if she got lucky enough.

What areas are Cap superhuman in.

What determines a street leveler?