Originally posted by masterbruce
I personally think the most important factor is the enemies you fight regularly, because really that shows what the writers intended the character to be.For example, batman and DD are def street level. Just look at their gallery of rogues, mostly humans who aren't necessarily even peak.
Spiderman, Wolverine and Captain America are not street levels. Wolverine often fights with superfoes like Hulk, Sabretooth, etc. Spiderman often fights venom, carnage, etc and Captain America is fighting super foes of avengers, not some human with mental issues.
so for me, its pretty clear who are street level and who isn't.
I agree with this almost 100%.
Originally posted by H. S. 6My point of this thread is to see the wild difference in what people see as street level, people are saying it's their powers and some are saying it's the villans.
Spider-Man, yes.Cyclops, however, faces as many galactic/planet threatening villains as he does operate on the streets, so he's debatable, but I'd say no. 😉
In some of these definitions Superman would be considered Street Level.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
My point of this thread is to see the wild difference in what people see as street level, people are saying it's their powers and some are saying it's the villans.In some of these definitions Superman would be considered Street Level.
generally, the villains match up to the powers. You have to look at the overall cast of villains and not just one or two in particular.
You don't see batman fighting doomsday or metallo and you don't see superman fighting penguin or riddler
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'd say that is because of his ability to not "fatigue" the only thing superhuman IMO.
Originally posted by masterbruce
cap is superhuman in strength, speed, durability and healinghe was peakhuman as a soldier and then got the supersolider serum which pushed him beyond human, albeit not by a great deal
cap was NOT peakhuman as a soldier... he was called the original 90-lb weakling... due to exposure to the super soldier serum, and training by the government... he became peak human...
He went from benching like 80 lbs... to over 800....
If you're a mutant, metahuman, genetically altered human, or alien you are not a streetleveler
If you can fly or project energy or have mental powers.. you're not a street leveler...
If you've ever singlehandedly defeated a villain where the villain could singlehandedly destroy at least a small country .... you are not a streetleveler.
Those are my basic criteria...
And I think according to that... Batman and Captain america aren't streetlevelers... Personally I think of both as very low level metahuman levels.
Cap can knock an jet out of the sky with his shield for gods sake.
I love cap.
I never liked the term "street level." "Lower tier" is a more neutral term, and lower tier characters are those whose overall power level is, well, low compared to other, more powerful characters (I'm not sure if it can be interpreted on an absolute basis or in terms of specific powers).
Generally speaking, I would consider Spider-Man at the top of the lower tier. Iron Man or Namor I would consider mid tier; while the likes of Superman or Silver Surfer would be top tier.
Depends on many things. One is; like everyone said, is that who they fight more often(Main bad guys and such) determine where they are. Also, they could be street level but one of their powers is way above. Like Cyclops, without his optic ass he could only be streetlevel(He is more street level) but he has his optic ass which could freaking murder powerful people so that power is above street level while the rest of cyclops is below.
Dare Devil is street level but some of his DD senses are above 😖hifty:
People should keep in mind all heroes do amazing things, but I don't think that alone determines their level... especially when they go into groups and fight strong people like batman, or get stronger when they fight alone... like Cap.
Originally posted by masterbruceNo, he is the pinnacle of what a human can be... yes I know he does this and that and takes hits from Ironman but you'd be hard pressed to show me where he's superhuman.
cap is superhuman in strength, speed, durability and healinghe was peakhuman as a soldier and then got the supersolider serum which pushed him beyond human, albeit not by a great deal
Originally posted by masterbruceBatman has faced people that would ahnniliate him and he's street level right? So wouldn't be on the capability of his powers?
generally, the villains match up to the powers. You have to look at the overall cast of villains and not just one or two in particular.You don't see batman fighting doomsday or metallo and you don't see superman fighting penguin or riddler
Originally posted by ValidusAllow me to explain more. A person can do a short burst much extremely fast, it can be 60 or so mph but it's very short. However the duration is too short to measure it. Cap doesn't produce lactic acid and therefore he can keep this "burst" up for extremely long periods of time.
Even without fatigue the speed required would be a lot. The fastest mile ever is 3:43 and I can't imagine any fatigue that person could have experienced and still maintained that constant of a sprint.
That feat seems to be a bit bs as he throws his shield at what? 70 mph, I don't see him running almost as fast as he throws his shield, it would be the only logical explanation. 3x faster than a person isn't so bad though in attacking aspects.
Originally posted by endrict
Yes Logan is meant to be street level - above street level but stupid writers and fans make him a God.BTW this isnt a vs thead.