What determines if a character is above Street Level?

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
No it not at all, because wolverine is easily a match for DS physically, but also has a crazy healing factor.

DS punking heralds is still utter BS, as is woilverine, spiderman ect doing it.

People 05 were morons. I sorry, but he neevr once even been suggested to be anything but super human phsyically. This crazy myth that he was peak-human was just that a myth created by the boards, based off hate.

Yea people considering him weaker then capt was laughable. What worse during that time we had idiots like colossus whateve his name was who had him physically inferior to DD and that he loses to him.......thats straight up ignorance....these are same people who had wolverine beeing not even top 15 best fighters on the x-men as well.........it was absurd.

Logan does not need to uses his crazy feats to beconsider meta human. This is a guy who back in early 90's and late eighties was throwing sharks, picking up tree's as base ball bats ect.

Originally posted by The Nuul
She has pet squirrel and squirrels are street level.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He pulled a tree out of the ground? Scans? I was just saying his bigger threats were on the x-team, we can't deny that.

scans are in respect thread, but it was not pulled out of the ground it was knocked over tree.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I wouldn't say everybody in 05 was a moron. It wasn't a bad year. I don't think anybody hated him.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He was stated as peak in his bio and stats and I think people went off of that.

Like I said this was some myth.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
scans are in respect thread, but it was not pulled out of the ground it was knocked over tree.

.....no one hated him are you kidding me? You can say they werent all moron, but to try and pretend it wasent hated is absurd.......people were giving DD 7/10 over him if not higher.......we had people stating he wasent even top 15 in skill on x-men.......these were normal statements. The only reason this even changed, becuase select few started posting rediculous amount of evidences mainly jinzin and srank which disproved such believes and over time the norm believe changed.

Actaully he wasent. In fact he was stated in two sources as strength level of 4 which was superhuman. He was also stated in Hulks ultimate guide as having superhuman strength ect.

Like I said this was some myth.

I take that back then, all characters have hate, Spider-Man was lowballed as well as Cyclops and a ton of other characters by certain people. People got more tolerant when better debates came along. There was his bio that said he was at the level of a human who engaged in intense exercised. He has changed since that. I'm not arguing him being peak, I'm just saying there were several sources. All characters do superhuman feats. Batman has kicked down a tree too.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Slade in the books has been coined almost superhuman. Which is what classic Black Panther and Cap are at regular levels anyways.

Almost? I'm pretty sure he's pretty explicitly been called superhuman.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The tree that fell on him?

I take that back then, all characters have hate, Spider-Man was lowballed as well as Cyclops and a ton of other characters by certain people. People got more tolerant when better debates came along. There was his bio that said he was at the level of a human who engaged in intense exercised. He has changed since that. I'm not arguing him being peak, I'm just saying there were several sources. All characters do superhuman feats. Batman has kicked down a tree too.

I agree characters do get lowballed. true. That was in a bio true, but that was also the bio for beast among numerous others, and there stats all contradicted it. Hand books at the time would actaully contradict them selfs it was really bad. They say one thing, but stats would say another.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He has changed since that. I'm not arguing him being peak, I'm just saying there were several sources. All characters do superhuman feats. Batman has kicked down a tree too.

Wolverine prior to any hand book entry was routinely implied to be superhuman physically and was throwing sharks, using tree's as baseball bats ect.

Wolverine been doing them since day one, and has numerous feats. This isent hiim simply having high end feats these are normal feats he been doing pretty much since his creation. He was never even hinted at in comics to be anything other then superhuman physically.

also you keeping saying he changed, but he hasent. His physical stats were always potrayed at such levels, this is not some new thing. The only thing that has changed over time his the power of his healing factor.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
He was battling a guy he could not touch physically becuase of great pain it would cause him, so he picked up a tree and start smashing the entity with it.

I agree characters do get lowballed. true. That was in a bio true, but that was also the bio for beast among numerous others, and there stats all contradicted it. Hand books at the time would actaully contradict them selfs it was really bad. They say one thing, but stats would say another.

There werent several sources there was one perhaps two. One of which on stats contradicted it. Then there was numerous other hand books that stated other wises, he guide books which also stated other wises.

Wolverine prior to any hand book entry was routinely implied to be superhuman physically and was throwing sharks, using tree's as baseball bats ect.

Wolverine been doing them since day one, and has numerous feats. This isent hiim simply having high end feats these are normal feats he been doing pretty much since his creation. He was never even hinted at in comics to be anything other then superhuman physically.

also you keeping saying he changed, but he hasent. His physical stats were always potrayed at such levels, this is not some new thing. The only thing that has changed over time his the power of his healing factor.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I've actually seen him listed as enhanced technically, which isn't quite the same, it is also easier to lift something when your bones don't break so he has some leverage there.

back in the day enhanced ment right under superhuman )technically was superhuman to begin with, because it beyond human limits).

Bones no breaking really only has to do with support......wolverine as bone claws has picked up a dumbster with one arm and throw it.......also wolveirne bone skeleton is superhuman in durability.

this is well before 2005
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6473/wolverinesabilitieswt6.jpg

Originally posted by Q99
Almost? I'm pretty sure he's pretty explicitly been called superhuman.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yeah, he's consistently called superhuman.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
actaully thats not right. Enhanced ment different things, at different times. More modern idea of enhanced is superhuman in comics, and it been that way for years.

back in the day enhanced ment right under superhuman )technically was superhuman to begin with, because it beyond human limits).

Bones no breaking really only has to do with support......wolverine as bone claws has picked up a dumbster with one arm and throw it.......also wolveirne bone skeleton is superhuman in durability.

this is well before 2005
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6473/wolverinesabilitieswt6.jpg

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Enhanced meant (at least then) that the character was enhanced to beyond human levels but not quite a full at ease superhuman, this was explained by his healing and skeleton at the time.

Originally posted by Q99
Almost? I'm pretty sure he's pretty explicitly been called superhuman.

Not sure. I know 100 % he's been called almost superhuman.

It'd surprise me more if people put an 'almost' in there.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
though I not surprized at all, but can you actually post two times he been stated on pannel (im just curious, though I believe slade is superhuman).

Almost superhuman Q99. The books are were I got it from.

Now his DC bio indicated Slade is superhuman but just with his "stamina". Slade is like the other side of the coin of Cap.

They could have put superhuman strength in there but DC did not and just indicated his stamina is superhuman.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
though I not surprized at all, but can you actually post two times he been stated on pannel (im just curious, though I believe slade is superhuman).

Here he mentions "increased strength":
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view&current=LargeNewTeenTitansv102-21.jpg

Here's where it's called "almost superhuman":
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view&current=ntt044-12.jpg

His reflexes are increased tenfold and his strength and rate of healing are enhanced:
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view&current=new_titans_v2_075_11_rougher.jpg

Strength of "twenty men" (which depending on the men in question could be anywhere from half a ton to three tons of lifting power):
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view&current=wonderwomanv2special01-34ocdhorus.jpg

Cap Jr: "I didn't know anyone could match my Speed of Mercury"
Slade: "Meta Human. It helps":
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view&current=teen_titans_1996_22_06.jpg

Batgirl, a Peak Human admits that Deathstroke is just plain superior to her:
http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/?action=view&current=page02.jpg

So yes. Slade is superhuman. But then we knew that already.

A DC peak human admitting a almost superhuman is greater then her makes sense IMO.

Daredevil also has admitted Cap is superior to him in strength and speed.

Hell Danny Iron Fist who dragon chi enhanced admitted he's never seen anyone with Cap's speed and strength.

Almost superhuman(Slade and Cap)>>>> Regular trained peak.(unless your karate kid)

Originally posted by Daredevil1
A DC peak human admitting a almost superhuman is greater then her makes sense IMO.

Daredevil also has admitted Cap is superior to him in strength and speed.

Hell Danny Iron Fist who dragon chi enhanced admitted he's never seen anyone with Cap's speed and strength.

Almost superhuman(Slade and Cap)>>>> Regular trained peak.(unless your karate kid)

As it stands there's one scan that says he's "almost superhuman" against several or more that say he is superhuman.

He's also stated to use 90% of his brain, whereas in reality humans use 100% of their brains all the time, it doesn't mean he's brain damaged, just that the writer had a poor grasp of biology.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
But could an "almost Superhuman" consistently show up speedsters the way Slade does?

Sure. Although Slade not only used speed but timing, anticipation, explosives-prep. Cap once impressed Quicksilver with his speed and even ran side by him. Its all on portrayal.