John Kerry implies soldiers are all idiots.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, I think that is bullshit. I see that it is made that way in politics today. But I find it iditotic. I think the truth should be said regardless of who will feel insulted. he is right. It ridiculous, people assume that politicans have to stick to some standard of speaking and what not to be said. Why?

I don't disagree with you. As to "why?", that's a result of political correctness and mass media. When the whole world can hear what you say, moments after you've said it, you have to consider the listening audience. Really bright people, capable of understand the intricacies of what you're saying coupled with the not-so-bright who only hear words and take them at face value.

Much like yourself, I appreciate the honesty version of talking to teh public. That way you can't prey upon the strict partisan nature of US politics.

Originally posted by Robtard
Well, I agree, he did not intend it that way but it was a stupid thing to say being who he is. Now the Right will kneejerk and run as far as they can with it.

its funny to watch. take http://www.drudgereport.com/ for example.

its like watching some idiot try to take off by flapping two feathers. pathetic yet fun to watch. the general message:

ZOMG!!1111 DISHONERRIN SOLJERS!!!!!!!!!

He was intending to make fun of Bush, but he messed it up. Boo hoo. Who cares. Like John McCain said: "If it's a botched joke, apologize and move on." That's what we all should do.

Minus the apologizing of course, because we didn't do shit

I don't care about Kerry, but for Cap, Bardock, and Mr. Sandman saying that most soldiers were the shitheads in school is wrong.

I have 3 friends over there, all of them who were in college here and doing well before 9/11.

I'm not disputing that many drop-outs or low performers enlist to achieve training, direction, etc....

but you also have to consider how many bright, efficient people are in our military, its leadership, its logistics and communication (one of my friends is a computer systems anaylist), and its special forces.

It's at least half and half, and pretty ignorant of anybody (least of all senor Swift-boat) to say that our armed forces are made up of those who failed at school.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
It's at least half and half, and pretty ignorant of anybody (least of all senor Swift-boat) to say that our armed forces are made up of those who failed at school.

saying that "gullible people are suckered into the military" (a sad truth) is not the same as "the military is full of gullible people who were suckered" (which nobody ever implied)

to keep parroting such a logical fallacy seems to be the right's only strategy at this time. if thats all they have to go on, then im going to be a happy man on election day

Originally posted by PVS
saying that "gullible people are suckered into the military" (a sad truth) is not the same as "the military is full of gullible people who were suckered" (which nobody ever implied)

to keep parroting such a logical fallacy seems to be the right's only strategy at this time. if thats all they have to go on, then im going to be a happy man on election day

Originally posted by Strangelove
But that's not what he said, nor is he implying that 🙄 John Kerry is a Yale-educated Vietnam War veteran. He is one of the least likely people to make fun of troops intentionally, least of all for their intelligence. He made a mistake when he was trying to insult President Bush. I would have used different wording to make it more obvious that it was a joke, but hey, I'm funnier than John Kerry. Who isn't? 😬

Look at the post again, I was talking to Bardock, Cap, and Mr. Sandman who were saying that all the dumbasses are in the army.

Originally posted by PVS
saying that "gullible people are suckered into the military" (a sad truth) is not the same as "the military is full of gullible people who were suckered" (which nobody ever implied)

to keep parroting such a logical fallacy seems to be the right's only strategy at this time. if thats all they have to go on, then im going to be a happy man on election day

Right, like all of the gullible fools who joined the military in WWII?

Or gullible fools like Colin Powell?

The military is full of brave men and women who risk, and sometimes give their lives for our freedom.

Whether they be geniuses, average, or slow, we owe them nothing but respect.

Campaign on the war, or a problem with the president if you like, but your asking for it if you say anything negative about an American soldier, be it a joke, or an observation (like you're doing) or whatever.

Nobody on the right has anything to worry about on election day, save for assassination attempts from those like you who will somehow wonder how in the hell the "values voters" beat you again.

😎

edit: take Cap's name off the list then, since he says that many educated, smart people are in the military.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I'm not disputing that many drop-outs or low performers enlist to achieve training, direction, etc....

And that is all I was saying.

Now, you posted the specific quote and I admitted that it sounded worse than what I'd heard about the story thus far. But that doesn't change the fact that so many people fall prey to the temptation of joining the military to get money for school because of their economic situation. That's one aspect of his comment.

And don't preach to me about friends in the service. There were at least 10 members of my graduating class that have served, are serving or could serve in Iraq. And that was from a class of 78 people. I went to a school that most would consider "privileged". A private catholic school where most parents made enough money to pay for their children to go when the option of public school was not only there, but being paid for anyway through taxes. I have one friend that finished his degree in photography before he enlisted in the navy. I also have a cousin that is in Iraq now.

Now, as you said, there are too many people joining the military because they have no other way of paying for college. And they're dying in Iraq for the wrong reasons. Someone like KidRock might say they likely get what they signed up for, and that it isn't the responsability of the American taxpayer to fund their education, especially considering they get special treatment due to affirmative action. But you guys can't have it both ways.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Right, like all of the gullible fools who joined the military in WWII?

Or gullible fools like Colin Powell?

The military is full of brave men and women who risk, and sometimes give their lives for our freedom.

Whether they be geniuses, average, or slow, we owe them nothing but respect.

Campaign on the war, or a problem with the president if you like, but your asking for it if you say anything negative about an American soldier, be it a joke, or an observation (like you're doing) or whatever.

Nobody on the right has anything to worry about on election day, save for assassination attempts from those like you who will somehow wonder how in the hell the "values voters" beat you again.

😎

you're being deliberate. either that or you're just too idiotic to read properly. so im kinda hoping you're just being deliberate, for your own sake.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Look at the post again, I was talking to Bardock, Cap, and Mr. Sandman who were saying that all the dumbasses are in the army.

All? Where did I say that? I said it wasn't far from the truth. Which you also backed up by saying it was at least half and half.

C'mon, if you're going to call someone out, at least understand what they're saying.

ok, lets simplify it for the special members of kmc.

all potatoes are vegetables

all vegetables are not necessarily potatoes.

GET IT? 😱

reading is fundamental, and so is basic logic

And so is respect for our soldiers.

In an election year, making any statement about vegetables where you even mention potatoes is stupid.

And not really true anyway.

GET IT? 😱

Originally posted by sithsaber408
And so is respect for our soldiers.

In an election year, making any statement about vegetables where you even mention potatoes is stupid.

And not really true anyway.

GET IT? 😱

seriously, are you joking? please tell me you are because if not you're a complete idiot.

Originally posted by PVS
its funny to watch. take http://www.drudgereport.com/ for example.

its like watching some idiot try to take off by flapping two feathers. pathetic yet fun to watch. the general message:

ZOMG!!1111 DISHONERRIN SOLJERS!!!!!!!!!

Yup... All Kerry did was feed the TROLLS a meatloaf sandwich.

Originally posted by PVS
seriously, are you joking? please tell me you are because if not you're a complete idiot.

No, I'm not joking!

While I'll admit that there are a few dim bulbs who end up in the army because they don't know of anything else to do, most of the navy, and certainly the air force (along with communications, logistics, special forces, leadership, and many ground level soldiers in the army) are well-trained, intelligent, competent people who joined the military to protect our country or to learn greater skills and make a career.

You or I can talk about the dim-watts that turn that way, and we'd be right saying "some" or "a few", not "most of" or "it isn't far from the truth" or "half" or anything like that.

A politician is a fool to even suggest that much in an election year.

As I said, Kerry was just being dumb, I don't think he meant to imply that all the liberal college kids should rise up and vote for Dems. and study hard in school or else they'll get shipped off to Iraq like the other dummies.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You or I can talk about the dim-watts that turn that way, and we'd be right saying "some" or "a few", not "most of" or "it isn't far from the truth" or "half" or anything like that.

i never implied any percentage and certainly not all, in fact went out of my way to express that distinction. read my post again. why are you putting words in my mouth? were you perhaps mistaken or are you deliberately trolling? which is it, because its certainly one of the two...

Come on guys we all know that Americans hate the truth and the truth will always get them upset.

So this is what J.Kerry should have said.

Everyone who joins the military is really smart; they are people who turn down college scholarships to fight against evil doers to protect the freedom that God has blessed America with. God bless Americans only.

Then he would have gotten a loud mindless retarded cheer of approval.

Or three:

It was a general comment for the larger group of posters in the thread.

edit:

@dirkdirden:

That's cute, welcome to the boards.

Also, you may want to change the word "board" in your biography to "bored".

Originally posted by sithsaber408
you addressed it to me. you quoted me and replied by saying that i was putting all troops down, or most, or half, or whatever.
Look at the post again, I was talking to Bardock, Cap, and Mr. Sandman who were saying that all the dumbasses are in the army.

Right, like all of the gullible fools who joined the military in WWII?

Or gullible fools like Colin Powell?

The military is full of brave men and women who risk, and sometimes give their lives for our freedom.

Whether they be geniuses, average, or slow, we owe them nothing but respect.

Campaign on the war, or a problem with the president if you like, but your asking for it if you say anything negative about an American soldier, be it a joke, or an observation (like you're doing) or whatever.

Nobody on the right has anything to worry about on election day, save for assassination attempts from those like you who will somehow wonder how in the hell the "values voters" beat you again.

all i implied is what you agreed with. now judging how sensative you are on the issue of not being viewed as anti-american troops, maybe you can be a shining example for stubborn poiliticians and apologise for such and ugly accusation, lie and insult