John Kerry implies soldiers are all idiots.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You may win this round (though I can tell you that the conservative Christians aren't losing without a fight), but that just makes it a more fertile landscape for conservative unrest to........

Yes, next election we'll have the GODS ARMY party to make sure that anyone who isn't Christian has to submit to thier policies.

What he meant was if you are so uneducated that you vote republican, it will get the U.S. stuck in Iraq....

It was badly worded. He should have said "We" get stuck in Iraq, rather then "You" get stuck in Iraq.

Basically he effed up and the persued the wrong solution...which he has been know to do.

This is a really stupid topic to be discussing when CANDIDATES are actually being elected and not one failed Senator.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That would fit under what I was saying. Excusing one bad behavior by pointing to another bad behavior is just wrong.

that's bullshit. No one is saying that two wrongs make a right. But people talking about how Kerry thinks servicemen are all idiots is hardly an issue when Bush treats them like idiots. How can people on the right get so worked up about a comment when actions speak louder than words?

Bush couldn't give a shit about soldiers. He cares about the defense INDUSTRY.

Some of us take the side of the soldiers in this war.

Originally posted by KidRock
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o

Way to go Kerry! Apparently he tried to make a crack at Bush then made himself look stupid..again..

He..he..he. And? Tis nothing but a joke. So what. I don't see any major ramifications coming about from this. What he stated actually had a ring of truth to it -- I would not of course call all lower ranking soldiers "idiots", but at the very most I would call many ignorant(particularly ignorant to what's going on around them), and at the very least -- I would call them grossly misinformed.

Higher ranking military officers are not attempting to actively recruit the intelligent -- they often are actively seeking the weak, vulnerable, and uneducated - who possess less intellectual ability to question what they only perceive to be their absolute authourity.

Sadly many young, ignorant and impressionable have died in Iraq - and if they had been better educated - they might have been less inclined to follow the foolish whims of their superiors, which brought about their eventual purposeless demise.("purposeless" in a moral-spiritual sense, as many know one of the predominant "purposes" for this war was that of generating oil revenue..)

And before anyone throws out accusations, I don't affiliate myself with liberals, conservatives or any other foolish politicol ideologies.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So are you excusing one bad behavior by pointing to another bad behavior?

Au contraire, I was merely reinforcing the debate by balancing it with a comparison.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
He..he..he. And? Tis nothing but a joke. So what. I don't see any major ramifications coming about from this. What he stated actually had a ring of truth to it -- I would not of course call all lower ranking soldiers "idiots", but at the very most I would call many ignorant(particularly ignorant to what's going on around them), and at the very least -- I would call them grossly misinformed.

Higher ranking military officers are not attempting to actively recruit the intelligent -- they often are actively seeking the weak, vulnerable, and uneducated - who possess less intellectual ability to question what they only perceive to be their absolute authourity.

Sadly many young, ignorant and impressionable have died in Iraq - and if they had been better educated - they might have been less inclined to follow the foolish whims of their superiors, which brought about their eventual purposeless demise.("purposeless" in a moral-spiritual sense, as many know one of the predominant "purposes" for this war was that of generating oil revenue..)

And before anyone throws out accusations, I don't affiliate myself with liberals, conservatives or any other foolish politicol ideologies.

Those in the military are just PEOPLE. The same as you, your family and your neighbors. Why can't some people understand that?

Originally posted by Kinneary
Until you actually join the military and meet the real people that are in it or have some sort of viable background to talk about us like that, I suggest you go ahead and be quiet. I joined the military out of a sense of duty, a way to learn discipline, work experience, college credits and money for college. And aside from that, around 80% of all military jobs are non-combat, an ex-military member is less likely to be unemployed than their civilian counterpart, and each year tens of thousands of sailors/soldiers/airmen/marines earn degrees in a variety of fields.

Those in the military are just PEOPLE. The same as you, your family and your neighbors. Why can't some people understand that?

👆 I haven't been able to figure that one out either.

Originally posted by Alliance
👆 I haven't been able to figure that one out either.

You haven't? He's a sock. He's supporting an idiotic position in the hopes that people who oppose his comical representation of opinion will associate his parody with the valid point being made by people who think the opposite of him. All he's doing is baiting people. Don't fall for it.

Actually, I happen to agree with him, from my own personal experience with members of the armed services.

I disagree that only members of the military can comment on it, but the general public actually knows very little about it.

Originally posted by Alliance
Actually, I happen to agree with him, from my own personal experience with members of the armed services.

I disagree that only members of the military can comment on it, but the general public actually knows very little about it.

Sorry. I wasn't referring to Kinnery. I was talking about the other guy. My bad.

Yes, Usagi is clearly either uneducated or unexperienced in this matter.

Originally posted by Alliance
Yes, Usagi is clearly either uneducated or unexperienced in this matter.

Well, as Kinneary says: "Don't support us because it's fashionable" And I don't. But to address what you're saying, are either of us experienced or educated in the military?

Originally posted by Kinneary
Until you actually join the military and meet the real people that are in it or have some sort of viable background to talk about us like that, I suggest you go ahead and be quiet. I joined the military out of a sense of duty, a way to learn discipline, work experience, college credits and money for college. And aside from that, around 80% of all military jobs are non-combat, an ex-military member is less likely to be unemployed than their civilian counterpart, and each year tens of thousands of sailors/soldiers/airmen/marines earn degrees in a variety of fields.

Those in the military are just PEOPLE. The same as you, your family and your neighbors. Why can't some people understand that?

I actually have met many military people, specifically lower ranking soldiers - and although you may be one of the exceptions, I have found most to fit the proto-typical "Beatle Bailey" stereotype.

Many see the military as some form of refuge -- one which allows them to shirk the responsibilities they feel incable of fulfilling as a "civilian." If one feels inadequate about facing life, then indeed, there is no better place to join than the American military. They provide for all of your "civilian" needs -- but for a price, which is indeed a hefty one. That price being -- one's individuality, love, and the ability to question the motives of those who have authourity over onself - regardless of how base or how evil their intentions may be.

And even the "intelligent" ones like yourself do tend to be on the doctrinal side of espousing how dedicated they are to their service and/or country, as oppossed to being informed about the type of service they are truly performing.

Do not get me wrong Kinneary, I respect one who has dedication and devotion to one's family, friends, country like yourself -- however, I have great pity on any who walk blindly like lambs to the slaughter, simply because they have not taken the time to educate themselves about the situation present before them, or the true motivations of those whom they blindly follow.

^^ I like it when whob or whoever takes the time to fill out a profile. It's easy to nit-pick then.

And...right on cue, I'd expect this guy to come back with: "What is a whob?" like all the others. Or...if he doesn't, he will admit that he's not falling for it again. So he might as well bust out with, "What is a whob?"

that should be his screenname

"whatsawhob"

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/02/kerry.remarks/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. John Kerry has apologized for a "poorly stated joke," which the Massachusetts senator said was aimed at the president but was widely perceived as a slam on U.S. troops.

"I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted to wrongly imply anything negative about those in uniform, and I personally apologize to any service member, family member or American who was offended," Kerry said in a statement Wednesday.

"As a combat veteran, I want to make it clear to anyone in uniform and to their loved ones: My poorly stated joke at a rally was not about, and [was] never intended to refer to any troop," he said.

In the statement, the four-term senator continued to assert that the GOP was using the gaffe to distract voters from its own shortcomings.

"It is clear the Republican Party would rather talk about anything but their failed security policy," he said. "I don't want my verbal slip to be a diversion from the real issues. I will continue to fight for a change of course to provide real security for our country, and a winning strategy for our troops."...

Originally posted by KidRock
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o

Way to go Kerry! Apparently he tried to make a crack at Bush then made himself look stupid..again..

I love it when Kerry makes a jerk of himself!jmloser