Absolutely not. Storm has a MAJOR advantage over Jean in this fight. When I have more time, I will post more into detail.
I have time:
Lets start with the telepathy, shall we?
To begin with, Storm possess an indomitable will. In Uncanny 152, the White Queen tried a mind blast on Storm that was meant to kill her. Storm was able to shrug it off and zap her.
In Uncanny 150, Magneto's willpower was stated to be second to none. He fought Xavier's mindblast to a standstill off of willpower alone. By 1986, Storm's will was said to have surpassed Magneto's. We even saw in "X-Men: Heroes for Hope" where an ancient, malevolent creature called The Entity battled the X-Men. He mentally defeated Magneto and Rachel while she was both possessed by the PF and hooked up to Cerebro.
Storm's will had grown so strong that in order for Nanny to try and control her, she had to regress her to a child-like state and give her partial amnesia. Still, even in this form, the Shadow King assaulted Ororo and Storm's will still proved to be too strong even for him. Keep in mind that the SK is ever bit as powerful as Xavier and has far more experience and skill than even the prof. This puts him leaps and bounds beyond Jean Grey in the telepathy department.
In Uncanny 277, Storm battled the Warskrull. He had the combined powers of Xavier, Psylocke and Oracle. He managed to temporarily subdue her, but he said that given time, she would defeat his telepathy.
In X-treme X-Men, Storm developed her powers more to where she can make her mind dangerous for any telepath to assautl. I can remember in "Schism" where Storm placed herself in a position in a fight against a Bogan-possessed-Rachel to attack her mind. She wanted this because she knew that the electrical power she was tapping into was going to fry Bogan-Rachel's mind if she tried a mental assault on Ororo.
Now lets look at her against telekinesis:
Storm has been able to create elemental barriers that deflect TK assaults. In Unlimited issue 7, for instance, she battled Candra. All of Candra's TK assaults bounced off of Storm's elemental barrier.
In Legion Quest, Storm focused the brunt of her elemental barrage against Legion. Jean was just getting a taste of it and stated that she could not withstand those winds for long. Keep in mind that Storm is one of the only two characters I know of who has ever knocked down Magneto's force-field. (The other being Thor)Do you think Jean's force-field is stronger than Magneto's? I don't think so.
Storm has also used her powers *through* Jean's force-field. Check out that same Unlimited issue with Candra if you don't believe me.
There was another arc right before "Operation: Zero Tolerance" where Storm blasted glass with such force with her lightning that Jean's force-bubble was barely able to withstand the impact of the glass. Image if the lightning had hit the field instead of the glass?
Storm has a huge advantage in this fight.
This site is kind of wierd. I don't mean to multi-post, but it tells me that I can't edit my messages then all of a sudden I can. Then not everything I type gets in the edit and they tell me wait 15 minutes. Sorry about this. I originally had all of this in my first edit along with the TP part of my rebuttle here.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Storm 10/10.Sorry. She's just a much more powerful mutant and she has excellent defenses against Jean's powers while Jean doesn't have realistic ones against Ororo's.
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Have you read through the thread? The entire thread? No? Then get that shit out of here. There have been MULTIPLE instances of Storm falling to a mind****, of which Jean is perfectly capable of dealing out. A mind**** she is perfectly capable of dealing out FAR before Storm has a chance to summon enough electricity to power my damned remote control.
Originally posted by Soljer
😆Have you read through the thread? The entire thread? No? Then get that shit out of here. There have been MULTIPLE instances of Storm falling to a mind****, of which Jean is perfectly capable of dealing out. A mind**** she is perfectly capable of dealing out FAR before Storm has a chance to summon enough electricity to power my damned remote control.
Yes, but I thought that we were giving Storm the full measure of her abilities. For instance, if she shows that she can withstand TP assaults from antagonists I listed above but then falls in another issue to a telepathic morlock, for instance, then she was written down in that Morlock issue for the sake of the story. The lady has an indomitable will. Jean Grey does not.
Jean Grey has to concentrate harder to bring her powers to bear against Ororo as well. Uncanny 267 establishes this well. It states that a disadvantage that Jean would have in a fight against Ororo is the concentration level she requires.
Storm has been able to whip up tornadoes, blizzards, floods, hurricanes, etc "in the literal blink of an eye." She has Jean big time.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Yes, but I thought that we were giving Storm the full measure of her abilities. For instance, if she shows that she can withstand TP assaults from antagonists I listed above but then falls in another issue to a telepathic morlock, for instance, then she was written down in that Morlock issue for the sake of the story. The lady has an indomitable will. Jean Grey does not.
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So you're saying characters are only ever written DOWN for the sake of the story, and never up?
So Spiderman is ACTUALLY capable of defeating Firelord, but he's written DOWN to Venom's level?
I see now, it all makes sense! 😱!
Originally posted by Rutog98
Yes, but I thought that we were giving Storm the full measure of her abilities. For instance, if she shows that she can withstand TP assaults from antagonists I listed above but then falls in another issue to a telepathic morlock, for instance, then she was written down in that Morlock issue for the sake of the story. The lady has an indomitable will. Jean Grey does not.Jean Grey has to concentrate harder to bring her powers to bear against Ororo as well. Uncanny 267 establishes this well. It states that a disadvantage that Jean would have in a fight against Ororo is the concentration level she requires.
Storm has been able to whip up tornadoes, blizzards, floods, hurricanes, etc "in the literal blink of an eye." She has Jean big time.
Fact: Jean Grey has turned people's powers off not "in the blink of an eye," not "in a half a second," but INSTANTLY.
Fact: Jean Grey has turned people's minds off not "in the blink of an eye," not "in a half a second," but INSTANTLY.
Fact: Jean Grey has bypassed the defences of those IMMUNE to telepathy, not simply resistant. She has dragged people IMMUNE to telepathy to the astral plane.
Fact: The above referenced issue re: Jean's shield barely being able to endure falling debris should be examined. It clearly shows Jean shielding everyone in the room-the X-Men, Shaw and Kingpin, from both the debris of the collapsing room (not just glass) AND STORM'S LIGHTNING.
Fact: The White Queen NEVER tried to kill Storm.
Fact: Everyone has to concentrate to use their powers. If Storm didn't everything she did would be out of control. If Jean didn't she would constantly be inside everyone's minds like she was when her telepathy first manifested.
If one is going to use examples, please provide ALL relevant information.
Tell the truth and shame the devil.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
The only thing that hinders storm is her physical strength and the strength of her will and emotions. Other than that, she has UNLIMITED potential.Jean's main weakness in this fight is FOCUS. She can't focus with that barrage of DEADLY force coming at her like that.
She needn't focus.
She merely thinks "G'Night, Storm."
And then Ororo goes night-night, 😉.
Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
Storm's willpower is greater than Jean's? Remember the chick that in the original Phoenix storyline brought herself back to life, and after the initial retcon was already dead but refused to move on because she hadn't gotten the X-Men back safely? The same chick that projected her consciousness into the mind of a man that committed suicide because she wanted answers (while preventing him from dying by sustaining him with her own life force). Come off it folks.Fact: Jean Grey has turned people's powers off not "in the blink of an eye," not "in a half a second," but INSTANTLY.
Fact: Jean Grey has turned people's minds off not "in the blink of an eye," not "in a half a second," but INSTANTLY.
Fact: Jean Grey has bypassed the defences of those IMMUNE to telepathy, not simply resistant. She has dragged people IMMUNE to telepathy to the astral plane.
Fact: The above referenced issue re: Jean's shield barely being able to endure falling debris should be examined. It clearly shows Jean shielding everyone in the room-the X-Men, Shaw and Kingpin, from both the debris of the collapsing room (not just glass) AND STORM'S LIGHTNING.
Fact: The White Queen NEVER tried to kill Storm.
Fact: Everyone has to concentrate to use their powers. If Storm didn't everything she did would be out of control. If Jean didn't she would constantly be inside everyone's minds like she was when her telepathy first manifested.
If one is going to use examples, please provide ALL relevant information.
Tell the truth and shame the devil.
Lets address your facts in order, shall we:
1) Jean Grey isn't getting into Ororo's head to turn off her powers, mindblast or anything. You can stay home with that argument now. Jean Grey by no stretch of the imagination approaches Xavier or Shadow King in raw power, skill or experience. These two characters have accomplished things far beyond Jean Grey in the telepathic realm without the aid of the PF. Storm can resist these people with her willpower alone. Now that we know that the electricity in her body can fry any psi who attempts a mind attack, Jean Grey is really toast here.
2) See number 1.
3) Who has Jean telepathically whalloped that was immune to telepathy? Please don't tell me its someone like Fitzroy or something who was trying to use psi-blocking technology to block her TP. If that was, then it is not immunity at all. Psi-blocking technology has its limits. If this is what was employed, then it simply means the the person overrestimated the quality of their psi-blocker and a stronger one would be necessary for Jean Grey. I would only like to know this for curiosity's sake as it really doesn't matter in this fight. The fact is that once a character like Storm or Magneto resists somebody like Xavier or Shadow King, that automatically places them in a category where Jean's TP isn't going to mean squat.
4) That's a lie. Shaw and Kingpin weren't doing anything. Storm destroyed the elixer to *prevent* the fight. Also, the lightning never touched the force-field. Ororo did not want to attack her team and she has the control to make her lightning stay away from them. The caption said that Ororo's attack had such force that Jean's force-field was barely able to deflect the glass. That's all that hit her force-field.
5) White Queen tried to kill Storm in Uncanny 152. Ororo told Emma, "By morning, this storm you inadvertently created will be a memory." Emma said, "So, Storm, will you," and mindblasted Ororo. In other words, she was trying to kill Storm saying that she will be just a memory as well.
6) True, everyone has to concentrate, but Jean has to concentrate harder than Ororo. That is what Uncanny 267 was showing. That was the point of that part of the issue.
You haven't accomplished anything. While I do agree that Jean Grey is a powerful mutant, Storm is in a completely different power class over Jean Grey. She's way more powerful. Jean Grey struggles with lifting planes with her TK on a regular basis. Storm, when reduced to a child and her powers were greatly reduced, flew a plane completely with her winds alone. She has moved thousands of tons of rocks (consider that class 100 strength means the person can lift over 100 tons. Now, Storm has moved THOUSANDS of tons of rocks...get my drift?) She has lifted a skyscraper before with her winds. That would mostly likely put her in a couple of hundred thousand ton range right there. Her winds are stated to be strong enough to level mountains and she has summoned winds with sufficient strength to scour the surface of the Earth to its bedrock. Storm has altered weather on a continental scale on more than one occassion and has altered weather on the scale of a hemisphere even before she joined the X-Men. I'm sorry to tell you, but Storm outpowers Jean Grey massively.