Originally posted by 2damnloud
The only thing that hinders storm is her physical strength and the strength of her will and emotions. Other than that, she has UNLIMITED potential.Jean's main weakness in this fight is FOCUS. She can't focus with that barrage of DEADLY force coming at her like that.
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Originally posted by Rutog98
Lets address your facts in order, shall we:1) Jean Grey isn't getting into Ororo's head to turn off her powers, mindblast or anything. You can stay home with that argument now. Jean Grey by no stretch of the imagination approaches Xavier or Shadow King in raw power, skill or experience. These two characters have accomplished things far beyond Jean Grey in the telepathic realm without the aid of the PF. Storm can resist these people with her willpower alone. Now that we know that the electricity in her body can fry any psi who attempts a mind attack, Jean Grey is really toast here.
2) See number 1.
3) Who has Jean telepathically whalloped that was immune to telepathy? Please don't tell me its someone like Fitzroy or something who was trying to use psi-blocking technology to block her TP. If that was, then it is not immunity at all. Psi-blocking technology has its limits. If this is what was employed, then it simply means the the person overrestimated the quality of their psi-blocker and a stronger one would be necessary for Jean Grey. I would only like to know this for curiosity's sake as it really doesn't matter in this fight. The fact is that once a character like Storm or Magneto resists somebody like Xavier or Shadow King, that automatically places them in a category where Jean's TP isn't going to mean squat.
4) That's a lie. Shaw and Kingpin weren't doing anything. Storm destroyed the elixer to *prevent* the fight. Also, the lightning never touched the force-field. Ororo did not want to attack her team and she has the control to make her lightning stay away from them. The caption said that Ororo's attack had such force that Jean's force-field was barely able to deflect the glass. That's all that hit her force-field.
5) White Queen tried to kill Storm in Uncanny 152. Ororo told Emma, "By morning, this storm you inadvertently created will be a memory." Emma said, "So, Storm, will you," and mindblasted Ororo. In other words, she was trying to kill Storm saying that she will be just a memory as well.
6) True, everyone has to concentrate, but Jean has to concentrate harder than Ororo. That is what Uncanny 267 was showing. That was the point of that part of the issue.
You haven't accomplished anything. While I do agree that Jean Grey is a powerful mutant, Storm is in a completely different power class over Jean Grey. She's way more powerful. Jean Grey struggles with lifting planes with her TK on a regular basis. Storm, when reduced to a child and her powers were greatly reduced, flew a plane completely with her winds alone. She has moved thousands of tons of rocks (consider that class 100 strength means the person can lift over 100 tons. Now, Storm has moved THOUSANDS of tons of rocks...get my drift?) She has lifted a skyscraper before with her winds. That would mostly likely put her in a couple of hundred thousand ton range right there. Her winds are stated to be strong enough to level mountains and she has summoned winds with sufficient strength to scour the surface of the Earth to its bedrock. Storm has altered weather on a continental scale on more than one occassion and has altered weather on the scale of a hemisphere even before she joined the X-Men. I'm sorry to tell you, but Storm outpowers Jean Grey massively.
1. Jean has been stated constantly to be the 2nd most power TP on Earth. After Onslaught, she was THE most powerful TP on Earth. Xavier has more experiencce, sure. No one would argue that. By the same token, Jean has done things several times that Xavier didn't think possible. As far as getting into Storm's mind is concerned, quite a few TPs have gotten into Storm's minds before. That's the weakest argument of this fight. When emmas switched powers with Storm, Ororo saw Emma, created a storm outside, and STILL had her mind put into the White Queen's body and didn't wake up until a while later.
Besides, Jean doesn't have to be inside her mind to turn off her powers or to activate them. It's a function of the brain that powers work, and of the mind to use them. Rachel was able to use Storm's powers against her wishes, so why wouuldn't Jean be able to?
Stay home indeed.
3. Juggernaut, Magneto, D'Spayre, etc. As a matter of fact, Jean got past Jugg's helmet during the first run of the X-Men. Try again.
4. Storm destroyed the lab. She didn't just destroy the elixir, she destroyed all records relating to it as well. If she just destroyed the elixir, why would there be debris falling everywhere? Why would Jean shield only herself and no one else? Post a scan so that people can form their own opinions.
5. That could be interpreted in so many different ways. If Emma wanted Storm dead, she could have simply turned her brain off.
I love it when people talk about all the large scale destruction that Storm can cause, but neglect to mention one simple fact: she never does because when she warps weather in this way, the effects are felt elsewhere. Not only that, but she has to be able to control what she does. When Shaman created a storm that went out of control, it almost killed her to stop it. One CANNOT separate what Storm can do from whom she is. So what if she can create all these phenomenal weather feats? She won't because it's not in her nature. It's a moot point.
The fact of the matter is if Jean tells Storm's brain to stop functioning, it will. If she tells her hear to stop beating, it will. There's not getting around that. All the electricity in her brain, all the lightning, all the hurricanes, flash floods, monsoons mean nothing. I mean the woman has rendered dozens of people catatonic simultaneously, telepathically evacuated a club with hundreds of people and suppressed their panic. You really honestly and truthfully believe that a Jean, who has known Ororo for almost her entire adult life wouldn't be able to fell her telepathically because of some electricity? She doesn't need to see Storm's innermost thoughts to do it. I don't know why people can't understand the difference.
And for the record, Storm most definitely has limits, one being that she has to be someplace where there is an atmosphere. Remember when the X-men were flying the invisible plane to Asteroid M? Storm could only go so far, because she had to have air to fly things. Jean was who got the plane to Asteroid M.
BTW, please don't call me a liar again.
Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
1. Jean has been stated constantly to be the 2nd most power TP on Earth. After Onslaught, she was THE most powerful TP on Earth. Xavier has more experiencce, sure. No one would argue that. By the same token, Jean has done things several times that Xavier didn't think possible. As far as getting into Storm's mind is concerned, quite a few TPs have gotten into Storm's minds before. That's the weakest argument of this fight. When emmas switched powers with Storm, Ororo saw Emma, created a storm outside, and STILL had her mind put into the White Queen's body and didn't wake up until a while later.Besides, Jean doesn't have to be inside her mind to turn off her powers or to activate them. It's a function of the brain that powers work, and of the mind to use them. Rachel was able to use Storm's powers against her wishes, so why wouuldn't Jean be able to?
Stay home indeed.
3. Juggernaut, Magneto, D'Spayre, etc. As a matter of fact, Jean got past Jugg's helmet during the first run of the X-Men. Try again.
4. Storm destroyed the lab. She didn't just destroy the elixir, she destroyed all records relating to it as well. If she just destroyed the elixir, why would there be debris falling everywhere? Why would Jean shield only herself and no one else? Post a scan so that people can form their own opinions.
5. That could be interpreted in so many different ways. If Emma wanted Storm dead, she could have simply turned her brain off.
I love it when people talk about all the large scale destruction that Storm can cause, but neglect to mention one simple fact: she never does because when she warps weather in this way, the effects are felt elsewhere. Not only that, but she has to be able to control what she does. When Shaman created a storm that went out of control, it almost killed her to stop it. One CANNOT separate what Storm can do from whom she is. So what if she can create all these phenomenal weather feats? She won't because it's not in her nature. It's a moot point.
The fact of the matter is if Jean tells Storm's brain to stop functioning, it will. If she tells her hear to stop beating, it will. There's not getting around that. All the electricity in her brain, all the lightning, all the hurricanes, flash floods, monsoons mean nothing. I mean the woman has rendered dozens of people catatonic simultaneously, telepathically evacuated a club with hundreds of people and suppressed their panic. You really honestly and truthfully believe that a Jean, who has known Ororo for almost her entire adult life wouldn't be able to fell her telepathically because of some electricity? She doesn't need to see Storm's innermost thoughts to do it. I don't know why people can't understand the difference.
And for the record, Storm most definitely has limits, one being that she has to be someplace where there is an atmosphere. Remember when the X-men were flying the invisible plane to Asteroid M? Storm could only go so far, because she had to have air to fly things. Jean was who got the plane to Asteroid M.
BTW, please don't call me a liar again.
Still doesn't change the fact that her psychic powers work through a MEDIUM on the physical plane callled the air. They don't just work OUTSIDE of reality uninhibited.
Electrical energy can disrupt her powers.
She can't win if she can't FOCUS.
She'd probably be more focused on keeping herself ALIVE rather an offensive.
I give up. Storm for the win. I mean, God, she's been felled by TPs before, but the second most powerful psi on the planet won't be able to do it. She can keep a nanotech bomb from assembling while keeping someone telpathically sedated and performing a telepathic dump on someone else, but by george, she just doesn't have the concentration to do more than one thing at a time.
Silly me.
Are you mad???Calling an internet personality an "idiot" that you don't know = feelings caught
Not all all. ❌
What could you have possibly said to make me angry, sweety?
You deserve the term "idiot" simply because you ignore facts, and you haven't even formed your own opinion. If you are going to be stupid and try to argue that Storm has a chance, at least form your own opinion instead of rapidly spamming "i agreeez wit teh rutogz."
like i said wayyy earlier its all about the batlle conditions and field of play, thats what will determine a winner here...like i said also jean can beat her, but its not gonna be with TP, we need to let that one go now😄...seriously..no she is not completely immune to TP, and the only way someone with TP can get at her nowadays is when she's unprepared. which i dont assume she will for this fight so i still say 50/50 who's with me?
Originally posted by manjaro
like i said wayyy earlier its all about the batlle conditions and field of play, thats what will determine a winner here...like i said also jean can beat her, but its not gonna be with TP, we need to let that one go now😄...seriously..no she is not completely immune to TP, and the only way someone with TP can get at her nowadays is when she's unprepared. which i dont assume she will for this fight so i still say 50/50 who's with me?
That's what i said before but aparently people that say this are delusional and dumbshits for thinking so.🙄
Don't waste your time Rutog98 they're only going to bash on you and call you childish names.
If the shoe fits, wear it.
Originally posted by manjaroEven if telepathy wouldn't work (which it would) Jean Grey has the telekinetic ability to snap Storm's neck before she can do jackshit.
like i said wayyy earlier its all about the batlle conditions and field of play, thats what will determine a winner here...like i said also jean can beat her, but its not gonna be with TP, we need to let that one go now😄...seriously..no she is not completely immune to TP, and the only way someone with TP can get at her nowadays is when she's unprepared. which i dont assume she will for this fight so i still say 50/50 who's with me?
Originally posted by What If...
Not all all. ❌What could you have possibly said to make me angry, sweety?
You deserve the term "idiot" simply because you ignore facts, and you haven't even formed your own opinion. If you are going to be stupid and try to argue that Storm has a chance, at least form your own opinion instead of rapidly spamming "i agreeez wit teh rutogz."
Patronizing me with terms like "sweety". Yep, you're definately " 😠 "
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