Jean Grey vs. Storm

Just give it up 😆

Even if Lightning did go 50,000 miles per SECOND, that's still WAAAAAAYY faster than anything Jean could do. That is faster than "istantaneous". In the real world that we live in, istantantaneous" usually correlates to something happening in a second or a "split second"

There's nothing that we have built, that we can observe, that gives us an idea of how fast 50,000 miles a second is. At that speed, You could travel round trip from NY to Hong Kong, China 5 times in ONE second. That's an inconcievable speed. There is no real "lag'' involved unless someone can put out some CLEAR perameters of what the "speed of thought" is as opposed to 50,000 miles per second.

Even if Jean was to somehow ''break storms neck", a fully charged lightning bolt would be soon to follow coming at Jean at 50,000 miles a second thus KILLING her. Remember, Just because Storm is dead doesn't mean the thought she had was not carried out. Whatever "lag" in between Storm's thought and the lightning only leaves Jean with what, a millionth of a second to react??? 😆

That's still TOO FAST for her to do ANYTHING.

Unless someone can come with some clear perameters for Jean's speed as far as her TK, and Telepathic powers other than the vague ''Instantaneous", then it's still.....

Jean DIES or it is a Double K.O. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Just give it up 😆

Even if Lightning did go 50,000 miles per SECOND, that's still WAAAAAAYY faster tha anything Jean could do. That is faster than "istantaneous". In the real world that we live in, "istantantaneous" usually correlates to something happening in a second or a "split second"

Jean's actions happen on the same time as his thoughts (Thus, they are actually instantaneous), hence, she does it before the lightning appears. Lightning appears after Storm's thought, Jean's actions happen on the same time of his thoughts. Hence, she creates a shield before the lightning appears, blocking it, and killing Storm the second after.

Something you haven't still realized after 27 pages.

It's quite sad, actually.

No, what's sad is noone has given any clear peramenters for the "speed of thought"-- a second??? a half second??

If a bullet was coming at Jean at 50,000 miles per second, she wouldn't be able to do anything at all. It's too fast.

You obviously can't conceive of those kinds of speeds. You can go to China.....from NY.......FIVE times......in ONE SECOND.

It's NOTHING for Storm to take her out.

If Jean's thinks something, and it happens a half seocnd later, it's still not faster than 50,000 miles per second.

She would not be able to do anything with the lightning bolt coming at her at that speed.

They'd probably kill each other at the same time.

Also, no clear perameters have been given for this so-called "lag" in Storm's power. You all act as if this "lag" somehow gives Jean an unlimited amout of time to react😆 The most she'd get is like a millionth of a second, at BEST😆.

"the speed of thought" is a vague concept, and given the ambiguous time frames stated, it's STILL not fast enough for Jean to do anything with 50,000 miles a second.

In conclusion, Jean is as dead as dead can be.

😮‍💨

I'll observe from here on out. Have at it guys. You earned it!!!!

Originally posted by 2damnloud
No, what's sad is noone has given any clear peramenters for the "speed of thought"-- a second??? a half second??

If a bullet was coming at Jean at 50,000 miles per second, she wouldn't be able to do anything at all. It's too fast.

You obviously can't conceive of those kinds of speeds. You can go to China.....from NY.......FIVE times......in ONE SECOND.

It's NOTHING for Storm to take her out.

If Jean's thinks something, and it happens a half seocnd later, it's still not faster than 50,000 miles per second.

She would not be able to do anything with the lightning bolt coming at her at that speed.

They'd probably kill each other at the same time.

Also, no clear perameters have been given for this so-called "lag" in Storm's power. You all act as if this "lag" somehow gives Jean an unlimited amout of time to react😆 The most she'd get is like a millionth of a second, at BEST😆.

"the speed of thought" is a vague concept, and given the ambiguous time frames stated, it's STILL not fast enough for Jean to do anything with 50,000 miles a second.

In conclusion, Jean is as dead as dead can be.

😮‍💨

I'll observe from here on out. Have at it guys. You earned it!!!!

This topic is pointless until you understand that Storm's lightning does not appear at the same time together with his thought. It does not work like that.

With Jean, it does.

Originally posted by Rutog98

For Jean to merely think, she has to back that up with concentration and then the energy has to travel from her to Storm. BTW, thoughts are electrons. Therefore, Jean's thoughts are no faster than electricity.

There is no lag in telepathy hence the Xavier/Lilandra thing and Telekinesis according to the psylocke scan works at light speed........thought and execution are one....Jeans thoughts are faster then Storms thoughts + electricity.

In Storm's case, she merely has to will the atmosphere around Jean or over the battle field to act. Nothing has to travel from her to Jean.

SHe has to psionically manipulate weather patterns...which causes weather patterns to move...which then causes the atmosphere to create an attack which then connects with the opponent.

Telepathy and TK is thought and action similtaneously. No lag. Just a thought needed.

Oh yeah, and White Queen tried to kill Storm with a psi-bolt in Uncanny 152 and Ororo shrugged it off.

Where you getting that from? The type of psychic attack wasn't even mentioned..Emma did however say she knows Storms mind as well her own which suggests mind control.

Storms has been show to be susceptible to Psi-Fries and bolts before...plus her resistance to deeper probing and mind control is not full proof.

Originally posted by Rutog98
What I meant is your brain gives instructions to your body via electrical impulses.

Regardless, Jean's TP does have to travel through space. That is why electrical and related energies can affect it. This is also why it has been stopped by force-fields in the past as well.

It gets past Magneto and Storm when they use their powers. Xavier still had his powers when Mags created that Energy Storm. And Psi-Blockers have been bypassed before. Ironman has even been bypassed.

When Xavier and Lilandra communicate over light years...there is no lag and no interference from space.

Which force-fields are you referring to?

can we just let this thread die?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Firstly that scan involving Psylocke is TK...thought and action are in unison.

And telepathy would work.

Storm has to think and then action occurs. Jean just has to think...as for you figures...

Lightning is NOT Light it's plasma...it travels at 1/3 the speed of light and requires a medium.

Fact Storm has to think to someone a bolt of lightning...from the Psylocke scan...Storm is too slow.

Oh and not that it would come to it...but Emma has taken Storms lightning on two occasions...one from a Bloodlusted Storm who was out to kill. Emma got right up from both.

Maybe but the point is...they still communicate via telepathy. Which has no lag...the concept of telepathy in comic book terms has no lag.

Are you arguing what is actually stated in the narrative? In comic book terms....TK and TP are faster.

For TK from the scan it's Thought + action similtaneously.(The action apparently occurs at the speed of light)
For Telepathy it's Thought + Whatever since it's instant.(Xavier + Lilandra)
For Storms powers it's thought and then action(Blink of an eye).

BTW Storm is speed of thought + 1/3 the speed of light.

The same can be said about telepaths since they are able to sense enemy minds entering the Xavier grounds.
Storms powers may be always on...but from the scans it takes a blink of an eye to summon a bolt of lightning.

For TK and TP action and thought are in unison.
For Storm it's thought then action.

And lightning has been proven to travel at less then half the speed of light. It's plasma..not light.

It works similtaneously because that's the way Telekinesis and Telepathy work in Sci-Fi. They don't actually exist you know.

And lightning does not travel at the speed of light....it takes a blink of an eye for Storm to form a bolt. Thought + Action.

storms power works at such and such a rate at such and such efficiency, yadda yadda yadda.

Conclusions based on 21st Century science.

Storm's powers are not bound by man's limited grasp of science in the 21st Century.

figures and percentages quoted are immaterial.

a]Storm is bonded with the Elements on a genetic levell. The true figure for the maximum speed of wind, electromagnetic energy emmissions etc... is contained within her DNA and not some outdated science manual written by Einstein or Newton or Jermaine Dupri.

b]Storm has the ability to edit / override / command / redifine / the natural laws

c] Storms genes are always on. Storms powers are always on,
and she is always holding them back.

Originally posted by Rutog98
What I meant is your brain gives instructions to your body via electrical impulses.

Regardless, Jean's TP does have to travel through space. That is why electrical and related energies can affect it. This is also why it has been stopped by force-fields in the past as well.

Telekinesis and Telepathy need not travel through space. They simply are. They require no medium.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Lightning does not move at 186,000 miles per second. You're deluded.

so says xmarksthespot.

Originally posted by stormfront13
can we just let this thread die?

As soon as all the fanboys just let storm die.

Originally posted by Soljer
You're sweet, X, repeating yourself so often for the slow among us.

Perhaps they'd understand if you spoke slower and used smaller words? They just don't seem to be getting it, as is.

Crap

Originally posted by Soljer
As soon as all the fanboys just let storm die.

Originally posted by Tshern
Can't be bothered to read through the whole thread, so I ask you. They still debate this? I thought the case was closed when I last had a glance at this thread two weeks back...

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Threads like this make me question the freedom of speech...

heres how this debate goes

pro Storm/Jean team presents compelling evidence,

pro Jean/Storm team carefully considers the submission

pro sTORM team accept the opposing teams imput incorporating some of it into the fight scenario
pro jEAN team accept some of the opposing team's imput incorporating none of it into the fight scenario

radicall rebel fringe [soljer xmarksthespot ...] start slinging insults "incompetent" "stupid" "delusional" "sweety"... punctuated by comments like "I couldn't care less/ I don't care[see soljers post above]... Jean ftw ."

Debate rages on

Originally posted by stormfront13
can we just let this thread die?

Threads never die. They are immortal. They are banished for weeks, months, sometimes for years, but like the demons of hell and bad case of STD, they return from their slumber, only to torture the minds of the reasonable and feed on the insane illusions of fanboys.

Originally posted by don't shiv
heres how this debate goes

pro Storm/Jean team presents compelling evidence,

pro Jean/Storm team carefully considers the submission

pro sTORM team accept the opposing teams imput incorporating some of it into the fight scenario
pro jEAN team accept some of the opposing team's imput incorporating none of it into the fight scenario

radicall rebel fringe [soljer xmarksthespot ...] start slinging insults "incompetent" "stupid" "delusional" "sweety"... punctuated by comments like "I couldn't care less/ I don't care Jean ftw ."

Debate rages on

So...you haven't read the posts the Pro Jean team makes?

Well, from what I have seen, that seems to be a norm for Storm fanboys, but still...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Threads never die. They are immortal. They are banished for weeks, months, sometimes for years, but like the demons of hell and bad case of STD, they return from their slumber, only to torture the minds of the reasonable and feed more insane illusions for fanboys.

Hell will seem like Heaven after Wolvertooth or David_Richards have met their posts. ✅

Originally posted by don't shiv
heres how this debate goes

pro Storm/Jean team presents compelling evidence,

pro Jean/Storm team carefully considers the submission

pro sTORM team accept the opposing teams imput incorporating some of it into the fight scenario
pro jEAN team accept some of the opposing team's imput incorporating none of it into the fight scenario

radicall rebel fringe [soljer xmarksthespot ...] start slinging insults "incompetent" "stupid" "delusional" "sweety"... punctuated by comments like "I couldn't care less/ I don't care[see soljers post above]... Jean ftw ."

Debate rages on

Uhhh....

That's because the Pro-Storm team hasn't presented any 'compelling evidence' and they sure as HELL haven't considered any submissions on Jeans behalf. You got it backwards, friend. It's the storm fanboys that keep on re-stating "I don't care that Storm couldn't possibly hurt Jean in the time it takes Jean to kill Ororo, Storm wins anyways."