Jean Grey vs. Storm

the bottom line is that you refuse to believe what is shown because it doesn't support what you want to be the case.

There is a scan a few pages back of Jean turning off Neal's power instantly.
There's a scan showing her turning off Me Me's mind instantly.
There's a scan showing her rendering a crowd of people catatonic instantly.
There are scans that show thought and execution as one for TPs and TKs.

Really, what more proof do you want?

You're trying to hang an argument against TP based on the fact that Storm can resist mind control. We get that. We agree with that for the most part.

Storm CANNOT resist having her brain turned off or her powers turned off or a psi bolt directed at her. She just can't. And there is no evidence to suggest otherwise. Indeed, all the evidence support the fact that she can't resist.

So why do you still refuse to accept that?

As far as this elecctrical field is concerned, both Xavier and Rachel had a difficult time communicating with Storm. There's nothing to suggest that if they wanted to put her down that they couldn't. And X isn't more powerful than Rachel--more skilled by leaps and bounds, but not more powerful. The field inhibits their ability to communicate, not shut her down or turn her brain into much.

That's the problem: the good guys never do particularly nasty things with TP if they can help it (well except for Emma on occasion). They don't want to damage the brain because they're the heroes. Think about the difference between when Emma was with THC and when she was working with the X-Men. She uses her TP in a different way. Before, she wasn't concerned about damage that she caused. Now she holds back. It's what heroes do generally. Just because they do hold back doesn't mean that they can't accomplish something.

Originally posted by The Weather God
Sorry but i fail to believe that telepaths get the advantage all the time with speedblitz.❌ It's like the hal jorden vs x-men thread, he can pretty much destroy the team easly but because there are telepaths there they get to speedblitz him even tho he haves the power to shield himself from it, that is just unacceptable and not fair.

These battles are not about being fair...🤨

And Green Lantern's auto-shield would shield him from telepaths.

OH god, please let this thread die...

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
the bottom line is that you refuse to believe what is shown because it doesn't support what you want to be the case.

There is a scan a few pages back of Jean turning off Neal's power instantly.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
There's a scan showing her turning off Me Me's mind instantly.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
There's a scan showing her rendering a crowd of people catatonic instantly.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
There are scans that show thought and execution as one for TPs and TKs.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
Really, what more proof do you want?

You're trying to hang an argument against TP based on the fact that Storm can resist mind control. We get that. We agree with that for the most part.

This scan clearly proves that storm can scramble the link between the two by creating an electrical storm. Storm was not trying to block the professor from entering her mind, her powers were just active because of her emotions, the storm probrobly wasen't powerful enough because she diden't create it in the first place for a psy scramble.

This scan show's that they were inside away from the electrical storm outside, if the storm was more powerful inside rachel would have received the same results if she tried to link with storm again. Rachel even admits that she was lucky they got to her in time.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
Storm CANNOT resist having her brain turned off or her powers turned off or a psi bolt directed at her. She just can't. And there is no evidence to suggest otherwise. Indeed, all the evidence support the fact that she can't resist.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
So why do you still refuse to accept that?

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
As far as this elecctrical field is concerned, both Xavier and Rachel had a difficult time communicating with Storm. There's nothing to suggest that if they wanted to put her down that they couldn't. And X isn't more powerful than Rachel--more skilled by leaps and bounds, but not more powerful. The field inhibits their ability to communicate, not shut her down or turn her brain into much.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
That's the problem: the good guys never do particularly nasty things with TP if they can help it (well except for Emma on occasion). They don't want to damage the brain because they're the heroes. Think about the difference between when Emma was with THC and when she was working with the X-Men. She uses her TP in a different way. Before, she wasn't concerned about damage that she caused. Now she holds back. It's what heroes do generally. Just because they do hold back doesn't mean that they can't accomplish something.

So this was mind control too?

Jean and her shield still wins. if were using Storm's wind's best showings which are not even 100% clear then we should also use Jeans best showings in the shield dept.

Originally posted by The Weather God
Because storm would be able to beat jean if they're powers activated at the same time, the only reason she's winning is because of her chance to attack first.

Filibuster on.

Originally posted by The Weather God
Proffessor x is more powerful and experenced in telepathy then rachel but i believe storm would have been able to block xavier if she had created the storm and not her emotion.

Why not just use a tk blast? Alternate universe Ironman said that he won't survive a couple of tk blasts from Jean and he was wearing an Ironman armor.

I can't believe this thread's still alive and so are the Storm fanboys. With all due respect, you guys should learn to accept defeat when it's already biting you in the face. When has Storm been classified concretely as Omega-level? I even remember a known X-Men writer who commented on the question that if the X-Men fought each other, who would win... He answered Jean Grey.. I will have to fish that out for the Storm fanboys here who don't seem to understand what a hopeless fight they're trying to win here. If Jean only had telepathy, Storm might have a chance to beat her, if one of her attacks connect. But with tk, it'll all be over even before Storm fancies up with loosing those eyeballs. Jean has been the only X-Men member given such high-tiered status by writers themselves because of the infinite possibilities of her powers and you Storm fanboys should accept it because it's the truth. For the record, Jean is omega even without accessing Phoenix which is in current continuity her persona as well and not an alien entity inhabiting her body. A sample should do it....

1. Storm and Jean meet face-to-face.
2. Storm thinks of a lightning bolt or a hurricane at the same time Jean thinks and puts up her telekinetic force fields.
3. Storm tries to smash Jean with a bolt or hurricane but fails
4. Jean thinks and rips her heart out or she thinks and tears Storm limb from limb or she could also alter her molecular structure and change her into something else.

The possibilities of Jean finishing this in a split-second are endless. I fail to comprehend the narrow-mindedness of the Storm fanboys on this thread. It's entertainingly annoying.

and YOU just dredged it right up.

Jean DIES or double K.O.

THAT'S IT 😎

Wow i thought this thread had a verdict already. I seriously think it's the other way around. Jean wins or double ko given the arguments by the pro Storm.

😖hifty: 😊 doped

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
😖hifty: 😊 doped

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Why bump this? It's like the people that bump the old Wolverine vs. Wonderwoman threads.

Just because Wolverine has a few dumb fanboys that argue for him, doesn't mean he actually has a shot in hell of beating Wonderwoman, Superman, or the Silver Surfer.

Analog:

Just because Storm has a few dumb fanboys that argue for her, doesn't mean she actually has a shot in hell of beating Jean, Magneto, or Meggan.

Much less Thor, Quasar, or the Surfer. 😉.

Originally posted by Soljer
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Why bump this? It's like the people that bump the old Wolverine vs. Wonderwoman threads.

Any incarnation of Jean except for the very early appearences in Xmen before her TP developed properly would win this.

Pointless thread really.

🤘

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That reminds me... I should go bump my Wonder Woman vs Wolverine thread...

😆 😆

Seriously though, looking at the responses of 2damnound is just funny...

Denial is a sad, sad thing.

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Originally posted by Badabing
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w00teh

Originally posted by 2damnloud

w00teh

Oh I was waiting for this, read the rest of the Issue, that was a fake battle used to trick the slavers for Gambits plan to work, none of the Xmen were fighting for real, they picked one team to win and another to lose to find out who was behind the Goth and the slavers. Nice try though! 😆

Wabbit season!